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legendary
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September 28, 2017, 09:29:12 PM

Oh, this is so interesting. In this thread you can refer to the info, and find the answer to your question. But in the Scientific proof that God exists? you can quote my post, and then ask a question that is answered right in my post that you just quoted, totally playing the game like the answer isn't there.

You are such a game player!

 Cheesy

What's interesting is how dishonest you are. Your starting point is assuming god exists and you try to prove his existence desperately although no real science man agrees with anything you say.

God ultimately is beyond science. Knowledge of the infinite lies at a deeper more fundamental level.

All knowledge traces back ultimately to apriori truth.

If you deny the infinite you  must choose different typically nihilistic apriori. These assumptions in turn warp and fundamentally alter ones relationship with the universe.

The only dishonesty I have seen is a refusal to follow logic to its rational conclusion. Many people who deny God seem to exhibit this dishonesty of self settling into a childlike refusal to think following delivery of some smug barb about fairytales or spaghetti monsters.

It is my opinion that rejection of God is ultimately not compatible with sustained existence in homo sapiens on a multigenerational timeline.

Proverbs 14:27
The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, turning a person from the snares of death.
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September 28, 2017, 03:11:46 PM
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September 28, 2017, 08:41:32 AM

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.
How do you know? You cannot deny the experience of others.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/847806/life-after-death-what-happens-when-you-die-DMT-reddit-NDE/amp
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/777449/LIFE-AFTER-DEATH-brain-activity-University-of-Western-Ontario/amp

I surely can, ''Bovinerifle said the hallucinogenic drug DMT gave him the same experience as his NDE. '' He himself says that hallucinogenic drugs had the same effect as his ''near death experience, why? Well because he was hallucinating lol. Yes brain activity may continue for a few more minutes than we previously thought but that means nothing, it will still stop and when it stops, that's it, you are dead forever.
Where is your evidence?! I already posted mine and it shows that NDE is different from dreams, and it is hard to explain NDE as a mere byproduct of human evolution. Your claim that it is all so simple is baseless.
. http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html

The evidence is right there, he himself said that his near death experience was the same as hallucinating on drugs because that's what a near death experience is, hallucinations. Where is your evidence that what he claims he saw is real?

Oh, this is so interesting. In this thread you can refer to the info, and find the answer to your question. But in the Scientific proof that God exists? you can quote my post, and then ask a question that is answered right in my post that you just quoted, totally playing the game like the answer isn't there.

You are such a game player!

 Cheesy

What's interesting is how dishonest you are. Your starting point is assuming god exists and you try to prove his existence desperately although no real science man agrees with anything you say.
legendary
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September 27, 2017, 10:12:04 PM

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.
How do you know? You cannot deny the experience of others.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/847806/life-after-death-what-happens-when-you-die-DMT-reddit-NDE/amp
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/777449/LIFE-AFTER-DEATH-brain-activity-University-of-Western-Ontario/amp

I surely can, ''Bovinerifle said the hallucinogenic drug DMT gave him the same experience as his NDE. '' He himself says that hallucinogenic drugs had the same effect as his ''near death experience, why? Well because he was hallucinating lol. Yes brain activity may continue for a few more minutes than we previously thought but that means nothing, it will still stop and when it stops, that's it, you are dead forever.
Where is your evidence?! I already posted mine and it shows that NDE is different from dreams, and it is hard to explain NDE as a mere byproduct of human evolution. Your claim that it is all so simple is baseless.
. http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html

The evidence is right there, he himself said that his near death experience was the same as hallucinating on drugs because that's what a near death experience is, hallucinations. Where is your evidence that what he claims he saw is real?

Oh, this is so interesting. In this thread you can refer to the info, and find the answer to your question. But in the Scientific proof that God exists? you can quote my post, and then ask a question that is answered right in my post that you just quoted, totally playing the game like the answer isn't there.

You are such a game player!

 Cheesy
legendary
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September 27, 2017, 07:02:05 PM

Steady rise in California's STD rates frustrates public health officials
https://www.scpr.org/news/2017/09/26/76048/steady-rise-in-california-s-std-rates-frustrates-p/
Quote from: Rebecca Plevin

"We should not be seeing steady increases in curable infections," says Dr. Jeffrey Klausner, a UCLA professor of medicine and public health. "These are readily detected by routine tests and they are easily cured by antibiotics."

The California Department of Public Health says more than 250,000 cases of STDs were reported in 2016, a 40 percent increase compared with five years ago. Young people, African-Americans and gay and bisexual men had the highest infection rates.

Los Angeles County experienced sharper increases in gonorrhea and congenital syphilis cases than the state as a whole, according to the county Public Health Department.

State health officials say they're particularly concerned about a 43 percent increase in cases of congenital syphilis compared with 2015. The state recorded 207 cases of congenital syphilis last year, the highest number of cases since 1996.

"Countries like Cuba and Thailand have eliminated mother-child transmission [of syphilis], so to see an increase in the United States is frightening," Klausner says.

Congenital syphilis can lead to stillbirth or permanent, lifelong disabilities. It occurs when a mother with syphilis passes the infection to her baby during pregnancy.

All women should be tested for syphilis during their first prenatal visit, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The state report says cases of congenital syphilis are frequently associated with a lack of access to prenatal care, poverty and substance abuse.

In response to the increase in congenital syphilis cases, the L.A. County Department of Public Health will be dispatching public health nurses to provide case management to any women diagnosed with syphilis, according to Mario Perez, director of the department's Division of HIV and STD Programs.

The state also reported a 19 percent increase in gonorrhea cases compared with 2015.

The bacteria that causes gonorrhea has developed resistance to nearly all of the antibiotics used to treat it; the CDC says it's down to one last effective class of antibiotics for gonorrhea.

Klausner is concerned that more cases of the infection will lead to more antibiotic resistance.

"One of our approaches to combatting untreatable gonorrhea is to control gonorrhea, and we're obviously not effectively controlling gonorrhea," he says.

Rates of gonorrhea among men increased 22 percent in 2016 compared with 2015, according to the state report. Men who have sex with men accounted for 63 percent of the state's male cases.

Chlamydia remains the most common reportable disease in California; it's at its highest level since mandated reporting began in 1990.

The highest rates of chlamydia are among young women. The infection can cause serious, permanent damage to a woman's reproductive system, making it difficult or impossible for her to get pregnant later on, according to the CDC.

Perez, with L.A. County, say there are several factors contributing to the steady increase in STDs. He says there's evidence that condom use is decreasing; one reason is because more young women are using long-acting reversible contraception, like IUDs.

"They are protecting themselves against pregnancy, but not protecting themselves against STDs," Perez says. "Condoms continue to play an important role in disease transmission."

And many people aren't being appropriately tested and treated for STDs, even when they visit the doctor, he adds.

"Most of these STDs are asymptomatic and unless we're routinely screening the groups that are most at-risk, a lot of disease is going to go undiagnosed and untreated," Perez says.

Perez says there's dwindling funding for STD prevention programs.

In a statement, the L.A. County public health department says it will be "aligning resources and programming to address the disproportionate impact of STDs in communities of color, and among young people, transgender persons and men who have sex with men."

hero member
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September 26, 2017, 09:53:44 AM

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.
How do you know? You cannot deny the experience of others.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/847806/life-after-death-what-happens-when-you-die-DMT-reddit-NDE/amp
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/777449/LIFE-AFTER-DEATH-brain-activity-University-of-Western-Ontario/amp

I surely can, ''Bovinerifle said the hallucinogenic drug DMT gave him the same experience as his NDE. '' He himself says that hallucinogenic drugs had the same effect as his ''near death experience, why? Well because he was hallucinating lol. Yes brain activity may continue for a few more minutes than we previously thought but that means nothing, it will still stop and when it stops, that's it, you are dead forever.
Where is your evidence?! I already posted mine and it shows that NDE is different from dreams, and it is hard to explain NDE as a mere byproduct of human evolution. Your claim that it is all so simple is baseless.
. http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html

The evidence is right there, he himself said that his near death experience was the same as hallucinating on drugs because that's what a near death experience is, hallucinations. Where is your evidence that what he claims he saw is real?
legendary
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September 25, 2017, 11:46:05 PM
Your assumption that atheism and socialism are somehow downsides of high IQ is deeply flawed.

Atheism socialism and low fertility all appear to be correlated with high IQ. This relationship was well articulated in the following article published in Mensa magazine.

http://iqpersonalitygenius.blogspot.com/2012/08/disadvantages-of-high-iq.html?m=1

Whether these things are disadvantages is of course debatable but a strong case can be made that they are.

There is no Odin, there is no Zeus, there is no Yahweh. Ask yourself why 2 of those statements don't bother you, but the third one does.

It does bother me when people choose to deny the infinite. It bothers me because such a rejection is foolish and ultimately self-destructive. It's like watching someone try to drive up the exit ramp of a freeway or rave about the wonders illicit drug use. You worry for them and hope for the best.

I can't be judgemental because I spent a good part of two decades making a similar error. All I can do is catalog the evidence and logic that convinced me that rejecting God is a very poor choice and hope it helps others. If you frantically wave your arms at the car driving the wrong way up a exit ramp there is a chance the driver will notice something is wrong.

Rejection of pagan deities does not bother me because these religions were mostly systems of oppression see: Pagans and Human Sacrifice for details.

In contrast belief in God maximizes long term freedom and prosperity. See the Religion and Progress link at the bottom of the opening post for why this is the case.
newbie
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September 25, 2017, 10:33:51 PM
Religion affects the way in which people present symptoms to the doctor and the types of treatment they will accept. Because some religions place restrictions on certain behaviours, religious beliefs may also influence a person's risk of illness in the first place. Spirituality also appears to confer health benefits, either though intrapsychic feelings of meaning and purpose
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September 25, 2017, 10:32:55 PM
It is impossible to present a comprehensive list of the ways in which faith influences reactions to medical care, and there are so many variants that comments can only be vague generalizations. And yet, physicians should be aware of areas in which the religion of their patient may strongly influence their response to medical advice. Below are a very few examples of areas you should be aware of in your practice.
Of course, all religions hold the sanctity of life as a central tenet, but they vary in how this is interpreted when difficult issues (abortion, end-of-life care, transplant surgery, etc.) arise.
hero member
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September 25, 2017, 10:04:24 PM

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.
How do you know? You cannot deny the experience of others.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/847806/life-after-death-what-happens-when-you-die-DMT-reddit-NDE/amp
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/777449/LIFE-AFTER-DEATH-brain-activity-University-of-Western-Ontario/amp

I surely can, ''Bovinerifle said the hallucinogenic drug DMT gave him the same experience as his NDE. '' He himself says that hallucinogenic drugs had the same effect as his ''near death experience, why? Well because he was hallucinating lol. Yes brain activity may continue for a few more minutes than we previously thought but that means nothing, it will still stop and when it stops, that's it, you are dead forever.
Where is your evidence?! I already posted mine and it shows that NDE is different from dreams, and it is hard to explain NDE as a mere byproduct of human evolution. Your claim that it is all so simple is baseless.
. http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html
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September 25, 2017, 09:02:47 PM
I'm a christian and I don't hate atheists. I can't actually remember when was the last time I felt hate, probably back when I was still an atheist and slave to my emotions like Moloch is today

Did you seriously just say you don't hate Atheists, then in the next sentence slander me?

The hypocrisy is getting thick, and we're still on the first page... slow down hoss
I'm a Christian too but for me don't hate someone or anything because it's a sin ,I don't hate atheists .
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September 25, 2017, 04:11:16 PM

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.
How do you know? You cannot deny the experience of others.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/847806/life-after-death-what-happens-when-you-die-DMT-reddit-NDE/amp
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/777449/LIFE-AFTER-DEATH-brain-activity-University-of-Western-Ontario/amp

I surely can, ''Bovinerifle said the hallucinogenic drug DMT gave him the same experience as his NDE. '' He himself says that hallucinogenic drugs had the same effect as his ''near death experience, why? Well because he was hallucinating lol. Yes brain activity may continue for a few more minutes than we previously thought but that means nothing, it will still stop and when it stops, that's it, you are dead forever.
hero member
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September 25, 2017, 03:56:17 PM

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.
How do you know? You cannot deny the experience of others.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/847806/life-after-death-what-happens-when-you-die-DMT-reddit-NDE/amp
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/777449/LIFE-AFTER-DEATH-brain-activity-University-of-Western-Ontario/amp
member
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September 25, 2017, 02:00:30 PM
It's not the religion per se, it's the structure of the entire religious organization which prevents some brains to develop
newbie
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September 25, 2017, 12:10:47 PM
Your assumption that atheism and socialism are somehow downsides of high IQ is deeply flawed. Also, isn't it quite telling that the smarter a person is, the less likely they are to believe fairytales? I never understand how people can't just see that maybe they should revisit their beliefs rather than constantly saying that things like science are being manipulated to disprove their beliefs. The obvious answer is that bronze age mythology is just as wrong as Norse mythology or Greek. There is no Odin, there is no Zeus, there is no Yahweh. Ask yourself why 2 of those statements don't bother you, but the third one does. Anything that you use to disprove the first two will disprove your own god too.
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September 25, 2017, 12:05:31 PM
What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

Cool

People are cheerful comfortable conditions of life and lack of health problems, and not faith in God. Many atheists are much happier than religious people. It seems to me that sometimes religious people are unable to enjoy life because of the stupid prohibitions of their religion.

The big difference is that if the person is a Christian, his happiness goes on into eternity, while the atheist's happiness ends at death if not sooner.

Cool

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.

In addition to the proof that God exists that I have been showing you at the "Scientific proof that God exists?" thread, at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322, there is scientific proof that the Bible is the Word of God.

The Bible proof is a bit more complicated to explain, and it is impossible to explain to a person who doesn't understand that God exists.

The strongest proof for God is not a scientific proof. It is a relation proof. When a person accepts the Spirit of God into his/her life, the person has personal relationship with God, and personal proof.

Those who don't accept the Holy Spirit don't have that proof. That's why they think that such proof is make-believe.

Cool

If the bible is the word of god then god is an idiot. Allowing slavery, killing people, stupid laws, there is nothing good about that god. He even killed everyone with the flood which btw makes no sense when he could have just wiped everyone and start over again but instead he decided to complicate it by creating a world wide flood that would kill everyone but a few people and then rebuild everything again.

LOL!

There is this Great Being who is so great that He made the universe. And you won't take the time to read the Bible to find out why He does what He does. Rather, you think yourself so smart that you just know that God is an idiot.

Keep on pushing yourself into tininess. Soon you will turn yourself into empty space in the box.

LOL.

Cool

He is an idiot, it's a fact. Humans are flawed and his laws are flawed and stupid.

A little bit farther, now. Soon you will be in such a deep hole you will never get out.

 Grin

EDIT: Of course, you might find gold down in your hole.  Huh

EDIT2: Of course, you'll never be able to get it out.  Cheesy

Hey you are free to believe whatever you want but you can't tell me the bible is a good book. There are whole chapters dedicated to instruct people on how to enslave other people and how you can beat your slaves because they are your property or how being homosexual is a sin.
legendary
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September 25, 2017, 10:15:38 AM
What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

Cool

People are cheerful comfortable conditions of life and lack of health problems, and not faith in God. Many atheists are much happier than religious people. It seems to me that sometimes religious people are unable to enjoy life because of the stupid prohibitions of their religion.

The big difference is that if the person is a Christian, his happiness goes on into eternity, while the atheist's happiness ends at death if not sooner.

Cool

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.

In addition to the proof that God exists that I have been showing you at the "Scientific proof that God exists?" thread, at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322, there is scientific proof that the Bible is the Word of God.

The Bible proof is a bit more complicated to explain, and it is impossible to explain to a person who doesn't understand that God exists.

The strongest proof for God is not a scientific proof. It is a relation proof. When a person accepts the Spirit of God into his/her life, the person has personal relationship with God, and personal proof.

Those who don't accept the Holy Spirit don't have that proof. That's why they think that such proof is make-believe.

Cool

If the bible is the word of god then god is an idiot. Allowing slavery, killing people, stupid laws, there is nothing good about that god. He even killed everyone with the flood which btw makes no sense when he could have just wiped everyone and start over again but instead he decided to complicate it by creating a world wide flood that would kill everyone but a few people and then rebuild everything again.

LOL!

There is this Great Being who is so great that He made the universe. And you won't take the time to read the Bible to find out why He does what He does. Rather, you think yourself so smart that you just know that God is an idiot.

Keep on pushing yourself into tininess. Soon you will turn yourself into empty space in the box.

LOL.

Cool

He is an idiot, it's a fact. Humans are flawed and his laws are flawed and stupid.

A little bit farther, now. Soon you will be in such a deep hole you will never get out.

 Grin

EDIT: Of course, you might find gold down in your hole.  Huh

EDIT2: Of course, you'll never be able to get it out.  Cheesy
hero member
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September 25, 2017, 10:09:57 AM
What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

Cool

People are cheerful comfortable conditions of life and lack of health problems, and not faith in God. Many atheists are much happier than religious people. It seems to me that sometimes religious people are unable to enjoy life because of the stupid prohibitions of their religion.

The big difference is that if the person is a Christian, his happiness goes on into eternity, while the atheist's happiness ends at death if not sooner.

Cool

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.

In addition to the proof that God exists that I have been showing you at the "Scientific proof that God exists?" thread, at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322, there is scientific proof that the Bible is the Word of God.

The Bible proof is a bit more complicated to explain, and it is impossible to explain to a person who doesn't understand that God exists.

The strongest proof for God is not a scientific proof. It is a relation proof. When a person accepts the Spirit of God into his/her life, the person has personal relationship with God, and personal proof.

Those who don't accept the Holy Spirit don't have that proof. That's why they think that such proof is make-believe.

Cool

If the bible is the word of god then god is an idiot. Allowing slavery, killing people, stupid laws, there is nothing good about that god. He even killed everyone with the flood which btw makes no sense when he could have just wiped everyone and start over again but instead he decided to complicate it by creating a world wide flood that would kill everyone but a few people and then rebuild everything again.

LOL!

There is this Great Being who is so great that He made the universe. And you won't take the time to read the Bible to find out why He does what He does. Rather, you think yourself so smart that you just know that God is an idiot.

Keep on pushing yourself into tininess. Soon you will turn yourself into empty space in the box.

LOL.

Cool

He is an idiot, it's a fact. Humans are flawed and his laws are flawed and stupid.
legendary
Activity: 3906
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September 25, 2017, 09:50:58 AM
What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

Cool

People are cheerful comfortable conditions of life and lack of health problems, and not faith in God. Many atheists are much happier than religious people. It seems to me that sometimes religious people are unable to enjoy life because of the stupid prohibitions of their religion.

The big difference is that if the person is a Christian, his happiness goes on into eternity, while the atheist's happiness ends at death if not sooner.

Cool

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.

In addition to the proof that God exists that I have been showing you at the "Scientific proof that God exists?" thread, at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322, there is scientific proof that the Bible is the Word of God.

The Bible proof is a bit more complicated to explain, and it is impossible to explain to a person who doesn't understand that God exists.

The strongest proof for God is not a scientific proof. It is a relation proof. When a person accepts the Spirit of God into his/her life, the person has personal relationship with God, and personal proof.

Those who don't accept the Holy Spirit don't have that proof. That's why they think that such proof is make-believe.

Cool

If the bible is the word of god then god is an idiot. Allowing slavery, killing people, stupid laws, there is nothing good about that god. He even killed everyone with the flood which btw makes no sense when he could have just wiped everyone and start over again but instead he decided to complicate it by creating a world wide flood that would kill everyone but a few people and then rebuild everything again.

LOL!

There is this Great Being who is so great that He made the universe. And you won't take the time to read the Bible to find out why He does what He does. Rather, you think yourself so smart that you just know that God is an idiot.

Keep on pushing yourself into tininess. Soon you will turn yourself into empty space in the box.

LOL.

Cool
hero member
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September 25, 2017, 08:33:14 AM
What makes people cheerful? God makes them cheerful at the cheerful times. When they doubt God, then they become cheerless. If they trust God, they can be cheerful in many troubles. God makes them cheerful.

Cool

People are cheerful comfortable conditions of life and lack of health problems, and not faith in God. Many atheists are much happier than religious people. It seems to me that sometimes religious people are unable to enjoy life because of the stupid prohibitions of their religion.

The big difference is that if the person is a Christian, his happiness goes on into eternity, while the atheist's happiness ends at death if not sooner.

Cool

We are all going to die and end up in the same place no matter how much you want to believe we are special, I know it's hard to admit but it's the reality, there is nothing beyond death.

In addition to the proof that God exists that I have been showing you at the "Scientific proof that God exists?" thread, at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322, there is scientific proof that the Bible is the Word of God.

The Bible proof is a bit more complicated to explain, and it is impossible to explain to a person who doesn't understand that God exists.

The strongest proof for God is not a scientific proof. It is a relation proof. When a person accepts the Spirit of God into his/her life, the person has personal relationship with God, and personal proof.

Those who don't accept the Holy Spirit don't have that proof. That's why they think that such proof is make-believe.

Cool

If the bible is the word of god then god is an idiot. Allowing slavery, killing people, stupid laws, there is nothing good about that god. He even killed everyone with the flood which btw makes no sense when he could have just wiped everyone and start over again but instead he decided to complicate it by creating a world wide flood that would kill everyone but a few people and then rebuild everything again.
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