The Bible describes some events that did happen and some that did not. The 4 canonical gospels appeared 70+ years after the events they describe, so they are not a real-time historical record. Contrast the Bible with the Phoenix Journals, PJs are a real-time historical record with implications for Christian thought.
Some of the Biblical claims being disputed by Hatonn and Sananda (Jesus) in PJs are:
Jesus never resisted his capture.
GOD would be able to threaten a child (Isaac) with death and terrorize him.
The Bible is confusing in many places, I think it is because the adversary has tampered with the Bible, and the most important scriptural writings were suppressed.
More details about this are in PJs, but unfortunately BADecker is not interested in falsifying his "perfect book". For the "Biblical Christian" BADecker, as long as he believes in the perfect book and the perfect sacrifice of Jesus, he can have eternal life and share in that perfection with no strings attached. He brings this same offer of free salvation to this thread, but it is obviously an example of magical thinking:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Magical_thinking
Topic: Health and Religion - page 66. (Read 211012 times)
The problem with religion is that it tries to brainwash you. It never explains anything, it just states things. God did it, God made it, never explaining anything. There is nothing healthy about religion. It's in fact poisonous to your mind. Almost no one picks his religion, you are just indoctrinated that way. 99.9% of people believe in what they believe because their family just told them that, they never stopped to actually look into it.
Well, actually there were several things explained. The things that were explained were the things that could be understood. These things are the things that happened to people who did or didn't obey God. The Bible is full of these explanations.
The tricky thing has to do with science. If you accept the proof of science things, science is not a religion. But if there is no proof, and yet science is believed to be true, science has become a religion to its believers.
We are finding out what happens when the science religion is adhered to rather than the God religion. There will be more, and it won't be fun. Why not? The God religion is way stronger. The only way we can understand the God religion strength, is to watch for the results.
Nothing is explained in the bible. It never explains what the universe is or how god made it, it doesn't explain what planets are or stars. It doesn't have any meaningful information about anything. It's just stories and god did it, god made it. Pointless.
Is there any thing that you could potentially NOT understand? For example, can you understand all the operations of heat and electron and molecule flow that make any particular leaf sway in the wind the way it individually does? If you understand a little of it, does that mean you could understand much of it? What about the far weaker understanding that many other people have?
The Bible wasn't written to explain all the workings of God, some of which would not be able to be translated into understandable language. The Bible was written as an overview for many things. If it had been written to be a detailed explanation, your name and a description of your life would be in there, along with all the rest of the people. And the Bible would be bigger than the whole earth.
As for planets and stars, the Bible DOES tell how God made them. He spoke them into existence.
The Bible has some of the most useful information within it. It shows the best simple living laws. In Exodus and Deuteronomy, the laws that make living this life in the best way are expressed.
What else is shown? Examples of what happens to people when they live or do not live according these basic laws is shown throughout the Old Testament.
The most important thing that the WHOLE Bible is about is the salvation from death, and the only way to get that salvation - believing in Jesus. There is no other book that shows this except that the info has been extracted from the Bible. Science is so far away from finding this out on its own, that science is essentially a little blind kind playing in the mud.
Nobody is capable of understanding the things of God, and certainly not in detail. After all, the kid in the mud has already developed computerization that he can't understand the calculations of. Yet, this computerization is so much less that the capabilities of God - universal cause and effect prove this out - that there is no way for people to understand God. So, why write about them in the Bible?
Read what I am writing here, and wake up... even if you don't like it.
Bible describes a world view of Bronze Age people. Nothing more nothing less. If you think otherwise, you are delusional.
There is a reason why Bible does not talk about DNA, stem cell research, evolution, distant galaxies, solar system, vaccines, nano technology or crypto currencies.
Bible shows the way that living works. It shows this by showing the examples of what happens to people who follow, and those who don't follow the laws of the Bible. Since people are still made of of flesh and blood, and soul, mind and spirit, the laws of the Bible still apply to people.
That's nothing. Any fictional book shows things like those but what useful things does it show? What have we ever accomplished with the bible. We dont have what we have today thanks to the bible or any other religious book which by the way, they are all the same. It's just science fiction written thousands of years ago. They even thought that god was in the sky because they didn't even know what the sky was LOL
But the Bible isn't fiction. Study the history of how the Bible came about. Study it in detail, and you will see that it is a historical, written record of events that happened.
Even The Athiest Stanford Professor Teaches That Religion Is A Mental Illness Acknowledges That Religion Is Good For Your Health
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/11/atheist-stanford-professor-teaches-religion-is-mental-illness/
A Stanford University professor has been teaching for years that religion is a form of mental illness, according to a Tuesday report from The Independent highlighting the lessons.
Professor and neuroendocrinologist Robert Sapolsky teaches Stanford students that religion in all of its forms, regardless of benefits, is an irrationality and a kind of “organized schizophrenia,” and has made these claims since at least 2009.
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Sapolsky admitted that religion had observable health benefits, despite his belief that it is an expression of mental illness.
“One of the healthiest things you could do with your life is to be religious,” Sapolsky said in a video. “And to be highly religious, it is a very strong protector against major depression. Religious belief extends your life expectancy, and that’s after you control for – it changes risk factors, you’re less likely to drink to excess, all of that.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/11/atheist-stanford-professor-teaches-religion-is-mental-illness/
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A Stanford University professor has been teaching for years that religion is a form of mental illness, according to a Tuesday report from The Independent highlighting the lessons.
Professor and neuroendocrinologist Robert Sapolsky teaches Stanford students that religion in all of its forms, regardless of benefits, is an irrationality and a kind of “organized schizophrenia,” and has made these claims since at least 2009.
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Sapolsky admitted that religion had observable health benefits, despite his belief that it is an expression of mental illness.
“One of the healthiest things you could do with your life is to be religious,” Sapolsky said in a video. “And to be highly religious, it is a very strong protector against major depression. Religious belief extends your life expectancy, and that’s after you control for – it changes risk factors, you’re less likely to drink to excess, all of that.
That's nothing. Any fictional book shows things like those but what useful things does it show? What have we ever accomplished with the bible. We dont have what we have today thanks to the bible or any other religious book which by the way, they are all the same. It's just science fiction written thousands of years ago. They even thought that god was in the sky because they didn't even know what the sky was LOL
The bible was largely inspired from gnostic scholar ship, carried by people like plato, philo of alexandria, who coined the whole principle of rationalism, idealism, and is the core philosophy from which science stem.
Science suppose a constant eternal order in the universe, which is all what monotheism is about.
Sky = mental plane = realm of idea for plato.
Earth = physical plane = sensitive world for plato.
God head = perfection of mental faculty/intelligence.
The problem with religion is that it tries to brainwash you. It never explains anything, it just states things. God did it, God made it, never explaining anything. There is nothing healthy about religion. It's in fact poisonous to your mind. Almost no one picks his religion, you are just indoctrinated that way. 99.9% of people believe in what they believe because their family just told them that, they never stopped to actually look into it.
Well, actually there were several things explained. The things that were explained were the things that could be understood. These things are the things that happened to people who did or didn't obey God. The Bible is full of these explanations.
The tricky thing has to do with science. If you accept the proof of science things, science is not a religion. But if there is no proof, and yet science is believed to be true, science has become a religion to its believers.
We are finding out what happens when the science religion is adhered to rather than the God religion. There will be more, and it won't be fun. Why not? The God religion is way stronger. The only way we can understand the God religion strength, is to watch for the results.
Nothing is explained in the bible. It never explains what the universe is or how god made it, it doesn't explain what planets are or stars. It doesn't have any meaningful information about anything. It's just stories and god did it, god made it. Pointless.
Is there any thing that you could potentially NOT understand? For example, can you understand all the operations of heat and electron and molecule flow that make any particular leaf sway in the wind the way it individually does? If you understand a little of it, does that mean you could understand much of it? What about the far weaker understanding that many other people have?
The Bible wasn't written to explain all the workings of God, some of which would not be able to be translated into understandable language. The Bible was written as an overview for many things. If it had been written to be a detailed explanation, your name and a description of your life would be in there, along with all the rest of the people. And the Bible would be bigger than the whole earth.
As for planets and stars, the Bible DOES tell how God made them. He spoke them into existence.
The Bible has some of the most useful information within it. It shows the best simple living laws. In Exodus and Deuteronomy, the laws that make living this life in the best way are expressed.
What else is shown? Examples of what happens to people when they live or do not live according these basic laws is shown throughout the Old Testament.
The most important thing that the WHOLE Bible is about is the salvation from death, and the only way to get that salvation - believing in Jesus. There is no other book that shows this except that the info has been extracted from the Bible. Science is so far away from finding this out on its own, that science is essentially a little blind kind playing in the mud.
Nobody is capable of understanding the things of God, and certainly not in detail. After all, the kid in the mud has already developed computerization that he can't understand the calculations of. Yet, this computerization is so much less that the capabilities of God - universal cause and effect prove this out - that there is no way for people to understand God. So, why write about them in the Bible?
Read what I am writing here, and wake up... even if you don't like it.
Bible describes a world view of Bronze Age people. Nothing more nothing less. If you think otherwise, you are delusional.
There is a reason why Bible does not talk about DNA, stem cell research, evolution, distant galaxies, solar system, vaccines, nano technology or crypto currencies.
Bible shows the way that living works. It shows this by showing the examples of what happens to people who follow, and those who don't follow the laws of the Bible. Since people are still made of of flesh and blood, and soul, mind and spirit, the laws of the Bible still apply to people.
That's nothing. Any fictional book shows things like those but what useful things does it show? What have we ever accomplished with the bible. We dont have what we have today thanks to the bible or any other religious book which by the way, they are all the same. It's just science fiction written thousands of years ago. They even thought that god was in the sky because they didn't even know what the sky was LOL
From neurology, the concept of health has lot to do with the mind or nervous system capacity to link perception of environment and inner state / physiology.
It's not very hard to see how understanding of self and "intelligence" play out in survival and maintaining the biological system healthy , and how negative emotion , stress, anger have negative effect on health.
In cognitive therapy they put lot of importance in the connection between belief, emotional state, and general health.
Early spiritualists knew this connection very well, it's found all into budhism, yoga, Shamanism etc.
One would say goal of religious practice is to refine those belief to get better health.
Actually there is a lot in aryuveda & yogic teaching confirmed by science and neurology.
I would even go as far as to say science is only scratching the surface of what is known by spiritualists or yogi since dawn of time.
It's not very hard to see how understanding of self and "intelligence" play out in survival and maintaining the biological system healthy , and how negative emotion , stress, anger have negative effect on health.
In cognitive therapy they put lot of importance in the connection between belief, emotional state, and general health.
Early spiritualists knew this connection very well, it's found all into budhism, yoga, Shamanism etc.
One would say goal of religious practice is to refine those belief to get better health.
Actually there is a lot in aryuveda & yogic teaching confirmed by science and neurology.
I would even go as far as to say science is only scratching the surface of what is known by spiritualists or yogi since dawn of time.
Thank you for sharing those insights and observations. It' i good to see someone else believing what I do, no matter how un-mainstream it is.
I will un do the wise he said
The problem with religion is that it tries to brainwash you. It never explains anything, it just states things. God did it, God made it, never explaining anything. There is nothing healthy about religion. It's in fact poisonous to your mind. Almost no one picks his religion, you are just indoctrinated that way. 99.9% of people believe in what they believe because their family just told them that, they never stopped to actually look into it.
Well, actually there were several things explained. The things that were explained were the things that could be understood. These things are the things that happened to people who did or didn't obey God. The Bible is full of these explanations.
The tricky thing has to do with science. If you accept the proof of science things, science is not a religion. But if there is no proof, and yet science is believed to be true, science has become a religion to its believers.
We are finding out what happens when the science religion is adhered to rather than the God religion. There will be more, and it won't be fun. Why not? The God religion is way stronger. The only way we can understand the God religion strength, is to watch for the results.
Nothing is explained in the bible. It never explains what the universe is or how god made it, it doesn't explain what planets are or stars. It doesn't have any meaningful information about anything. It's just stories and god did it, god made it. Pointless.
Is there any thing that you could potentially NOT understand? For example, can you understand all the operations of heat and electron and molecule flow that make any particular leaf sway in the wind the way it individually does? If you understand a little of it, does that mean you could understand much of it? What about the far weaker understanding that many other people have?
The Bible wasn't written to explain all the workings of God, some of which would not be able to be translated into understandable language. The Bible was written as an overview for many things. If it had been written to be a detailed explanation, your name and a description of your life would be in there, along with all the rest of the people. And the Bible would be bigger than the whole earth.
As for planets and stars, the Bible DOES tell how God made them. He spoke them into existence.
The Bible has some of the most useful information within it. It shows the best simple living laws. In Exodus and Deuteronomy, the laws that make living this life in the best way are expressed.
What else is shown? Examples of what happens to people when they live or do not live according these basic laws is shown throughout the Old Testament.
The most important thing that the WHOLE Bible is about is the salvation from death, and the only way to get that salvation - believing in Jesus. There is no other book that shows this except that the info has been extracted from the Bible. Science is so far away from finding this out on its own, that science is essentially a little blind kind playing in the mud.
Nobody is capable of understanding the things of God, and certainly not in detail. After all, the kid in the mud has already developed computerization that he can't understand the calculations of. Yet, this computerization is so much less that the capabilities of God - universal cause and effect prove this out - that there is no way for people to understand God. So, why write about them in the Bible?
Read what I am writing here, and wake up... even if you don't like it.
Bible describes a world view of Bronze Age people. Nothing more nothing less. If you think otherwise, you are delusional.
There is a reason why Bible does not talk about DNA, stem cell research, evolution, distant galaxies, solar system, vaccines, nano technology or crypto currencies.
Bible shows the way that living works. It shows this by showing the examples of what happens to people who follow, and those who don't follow the laws of the Bible. Since people are still made of of flesh and blood, and soul, mind and spirit, the laws of the Bible still apply to people.
From neurology, the concept of health has lot to do with the mind or nervous system capacity to link perception of environment and inner state / physiology.
It's not very hard to see how understanding of self and "intelligence" play out in survival and maintaining the biological system healthy , and how negative emotion , stress, anger have negative effect on health.
In cognitive therapy they put lot of importance in the connection between belief, emotional state, and general health.
Early spiritualists knew this connection very well, it's found all into budhism, yoga, Shamanism etc.
One would say goal of religious practice is to refine those belief to get better health.
Actually there is a lot in aryuveda & yogic teaching confirmed by science and neurology.
I would even go as far as to say science is only scratching the surface of what is known by spiritualists or yogi since dawn of time.
It's not very hard to see how understanding of self and "intelligence" play out in survival and maintaining the biological system healthy , and how negative emotion , stress, anger have negative effect on health.
In cognitive therapy they put lot of importance in the connection between belief, emotional state, and general health.
Early spiritualists knew this connection very well, it's found all into budhism, yoga, Shamanism etc.
One would say goal of religious practice is to refine those belief to get better health.
Actually there is a lot in aryuveda & yogic teaching confirmed by science and neurology.
I would even go as far as to say science is only scratching the surface of what is known by spiritualists or yogi since dawn of time.
Thank you for sharing those insights and observations. It' i good to see someone else believing what I do, no matter how un-mainstream it is.
The problem with religion is that it tries to brainwash you. It never explains anything, it just states things. God did it, God made it, never explaining anything. There is nothing healthy about religion. It's in fact poisonous to your mind. Almost no one picks his religion, you are just indoctrinated that way. 99.9% of people believe in what they believe because their family just told them that, they never stopped to actually look into it.
Well, actually there were several things explained. The things that were explained were the things that could be understood. These things are the things that happened to people who did or didn't obey God. The Bible is full of these explanations.
The tricky thing has to do with science. If you accept the proof of science things, science is not a religion. But if there is no proof, and yet science is believed to be true, science has become a religion to its believers.
We are finding out what happens when the science religion is adhered to rather than the God religion. There will be more, and it won't be fun. Why not? The God religion is way stronger. The only way we can understand the God religion strength, is to watch for the results.
Nothing is explained in the bible. It never explains what the universe is or how god made it, it doesn't explain what planets are or stars. It doesn't have any meaningful information about anything. It's just stories and god did it, god made it. Pointless.
Is there any thing that you could potentially NOT understand? For example, can you understand all the operations of heat and electron and molecule flow that make any particular leaf sway in the wind the way it individually does? If you understand a little of it, does that mean you could understand much of it? What about the far weaker understanding that many other people have?
The Bible wasn't written to explain all the workings of God, some of which would not be able to be translated into understandable language. The Bible was written as an overview for many things. If it had been written to be a detailed explanation, your name and a description of your life would be in there, along with all the rest of the people. And the Bible would be bigger than the whole earth.
As for planets and stars, the Bible DOES tell how God made them. He spoke them into existence.
The Bible has some of the most useful information within it. It shows the best simple living laws. In Exodus and Deuteronomy, the laws that make living this life in the best way are expressed.
What else is shown? Examples of what happens to people when they live or do not live according these basic laws is shown throughout the Old Testament.
The most important thing that the WHOLE Bible is about is the salvation from death, and the only way to get that salvation - believing in Jesus. There is no other book that shows this except that the info has been extracted from the Bible. Science is so far away from finding this out on its own, that science is essentially a little blind kind playing in the mud.
Nobody is capable of understanding the things of God, and certainly not in detail. After all, the kid in the mud has already developed computerization that he can't understand the calculations of. Yet, this computerization is so much less that the capabilities of God - universal cause and effect prove this out - that there is no way for people to understand God. So, why write about them in the Bible?
Read what I am writing here, and wake up... even if you don't like it.
The problem with religion is that it tries to brainwash you. It never explains anything, it just states things. God did it, God made it, never explaining anything. There is nothing healthy about religion. It's in fact poisonous to your mind. Almost no one picks his religion, you are just indoctrinated that way. 99.9% of people believe in what they believe because their family just told them that, they never stopped to actually look into it.
Well, actually there were several things explained. The things that were explained were the things that could be understood. These things are the things that happened to people who did or didn't obey God. The Bible is full of these explanations.
The tricky thing has to do with science. If you accept the proof of science things, science is not a religion. But if there is no proof, and yet science is believed to be true, science has become a religion to its believers.
We are finding out what happens when the science religion is adhered to rather than the God religion. There will be more, and it won't be fun. Why not? The God religion is way stronger. The only way we can understand the God religion strength, is to watch for the results.
Nothing is explained in the bible. It never explains what the universe is or how god made it, it doesn't explain what planets are or stars. It doesn't have any meaningful information about anything. It's just stories and god did it, god made it. Pointless.
Genesis have the correct chronology
First light ( big Bang )
Then stars , planets, plants, animal, humans.
No problem with science here.
And the same chronology is found in hinduism/Vedas.
It show the steps of the making, the chronology, etc.
How could they figure this out 3000 year Ago ?
Lots of big scientists studied the bible ( newton, einstein )
And there is the same thing with neurology .
Science is always in trouble with self understanding due to gallilean view of objective truth that remove subjectivity from the equation, and health / psychology is very subjective.
Cant study consciousness with objectivity
The problem with religion is that it tries to brainwash you. It never explains anything, it just states things. God did it, God made it, never explaining anything. There is nothing healthy about religion. It's in fact poisonous to your mind. Almost no one picks his religion, you are just indoctrinated that way. 99.9% of people believe in what they believe because their family just told them that, they never stopped to actually look into it.
Well, actually there were several things explained. The things that were explained were the things that could be understood. These things are the things that happened to people who did or didn't obey God. The Bible is full of these explanations.
The tricky thing has to do with science. If you accept the proof of science things, science is not a religion. But if there is no proof, and yet science is believed to be true, science has become a religion to its believers.
We are finding out what happens when the science religion is adhered to rather than the God religion. There will be more, and it won't be fun. Why not? The God religion is way stronger. The only way we can understand the God religion strength, is to watch for the results.
Nothing is explained in the bible. It never explains what the universe is or how god made it, it doesn't explain what planets are or stars. It doesn't have any meaningful information about anything. It's just stories and god did it, god made it. Pointless.
I'm a christian and I don't hate atheists. I can't actually remember when was the last time I felt hate, probably back when I was still an atheist and slave to my emotions like Moloch is today
Did you seriously just say you don't hate Atheists, then in the next sentence slander me?
The hypocrisy is getting thick, and we're still on the first page... slow down hoss
From neurology, the concept of health has lot to do with the mind or nervous system capacity to link perception of environment and inner state / physiology.
It's not very hard to see how understanding of self and "intelligence" play out in survival and maintaining the biological system healthy , and how negative emotion , stress, anger have negative effect on health.
In cognitive therapy they put lot of importance in the connection between belief, emotional state, and general health.
Early spiritualists knew this connection very well, it's found all into budhism, yoga, Shamanism etc.
One would say goal of religious practice is to refine those belief to get better health.
Actually there is a lot in aryuveda & yogic teaching confirmed by science and neurology.
I would even go as far as to say science is only scratching the surface of what is known by spiritualists or yogi since dawn of time.
It's not very hard to see how understanding of self and "intelligence" play out in survival and maintaining the biological system healthy , and how negative emotion , stress, anger have negative effect on health.
In cognitive therapy they put lot of importance in the connection between belief, emotional state, and general health.
Early spiritualists knew this connection very well, it's found all into budhism, yoga, Shamanism etc.
One would say goal of religious practice is to refine those belief to get better health.
Actually there is a lot in aryuveda & yogic teaching confirmed by science and neurology.
I would even go as far as to say science is only scratching the surface of what is known by spiritualists or yogi since dawn of time.
The problem with religion is that it tries to brainwash you. It never explains anything, it just states things. God did it, God made it, never explaining anything. There is nothing healthy about religion. It's in fact poisonous to your mind. Almost no one picks his religion, you are just indoctrinated that way. 99.9% of people believe in what they believe because their family just told them that, they never stopped to actually look into it.
Well, actually there were several things explained. The things that were explained were the things that could be understood. These things are the things that happened to people who did or didn't obey God. The Bible is full of these explanations.
The tricky thing has to do with science. If you accept the proof of science things, science is not a religion. But if there is no proof, and yet science is believed to be true, science has become a religion to its believers.
We are finding out what happens when the science religion is adhered to rather than the God religion. There will be more, and it won't be fun. Why not? The God religion is way stronger. The only way we can understand the God religion strength, is to watch for the results.
The problem with religion is that it tries to brainwash you. It never explains anything, it just states things. God did it, God made it, never explaining anything. There is nothing healthy about religion. It's in fact poisonous to your mind. Almost no one picks his religion, you are just indoctrinated that way. 99.9% of people believe in what they believe because their family just told them that, they never stopped to actually look into it.
If we talk about health and people, and also about the earpiece, a confirmation of the fact that some moments of religious rituals affect human health, you still seem to make sense of this. It seems to me that those who hold fasts and example bathe in the winter on Epiphany in icy water, has slightly better health than others.
The problem is, that god can do something about it, he can do anything, can't he? If I know that my house will get burned tomorrow and I can prevent it then I will just prevent it, it makes no sense to not do anything about it knowing it's going to happen and then get angry, why would I be angry? It makes no sense as I said. God makes no sense.
If I knew my kids will mess up their lives and I can do something to help them then I will just do something to help them, considering god can do anything then again makes no sense.
If I knew my kids will mess up their lives and I can do something to help them then I will just do something to help them, considering god can do anything then again makes no sense.
This is exactly the point. God made Jesus salvation to help his children. God's anger begins with frustration, and ends with departure.
Why is God frustrated? Because He made the way out for Astargath, and Astargath simply won't accept.
Astargath: Me wanna do it my way. Why God not let me do it my way? Sure, God made it all and owns it all, but God bad because He not let me do it my way.
Things work the way they work. Be glad God made a way out for you, and accept it.
He would have made them smarter to not commit sin in the first place (And why did he even test them in the first place if he already knew they would fail, like why tell them not to eat from that tree when he already knew). As I said, god is either stupid or doesn't exist (the second option seems the best). A god cannot be frustrated or angry or really have any other emotion. A god would not have emotions because that would also make no sense. How can you be frustrated when you can literally change and do anything? Do you not see that? What can you be angry about if you already know everything?
Don't you ever like a challenge? Don't you play basketball with your friends? Perhaps you struggle with a game of chess, now and again.
God can literally change anything and do anything. But He wanted something where He might have to give His all. And that is what He did when He made people.
People used their tiny amount of power that God gave them, to damn themselves. They did it by not obeying God regarding the fruit of the tree. They could have obeyed. But they chose not to. And death was the result. The kind of death real death is, is damnation. God even warned them about it.
Then God changed things. It was a struggle for Him. But in His almighty power, He DID change things. He brought Jesus salvation into being for those damned people. Now they don't have to be damned any longer.
But, at the same time, God didn't change the one thing that He set out to create in people... people with a free will to accept God or reject Him. So, use your free will to accept God by accepting the way out for you... Jesus salvation. If you don't, you have used your free will to bring final damnation destruction on yourself.
After all, it is what it is. You can't be changed to be a robot without a soul. If you were, damnation wouldn't affect you. Accept life. Accept Jesus salvation.
There is no free will if everything is already written and god knows what's going to happen.
Since you were programmed to say that, I guess there isn't. But there can be... even for you... like there is for all the sincere Christians.
Then how will god prevent humans from doing bad things once they get to heaven?
My son. If you really want answers like that, you will have to become a believer so you can go there and find out.
I was a believer and I got no answers to anything. I read the bible fully and I understood that it was just nonsense. My grandma always used to say she was praying for this or for that and yet her prayers never worked and she has always been a believer. It was clear to me that at that point God didn't exist or he was just evil. There is no point in all the suffering that happens here when he has the power to stop it. Specially the suffering of innocent people, children that are born with diseases and illness without having done anything bad. It shows that god does not exist.
Sounds like you missed a lot in your Bible reading.
In the end, there will be a new universe with joy and perfection. This one will be destroyed right down to its bottom, basic roots, and all the imperfection with it. It will never be "remembered or brought to mind" again... as though it had never existed.
Above all, for you, there is your freedom to choose which part you will be part of. Take your pick. But if you choose destruction, test it out first by, say, cutting off your fingers, one at a time, with a dull knife. The pain of total destruction in the Lake of Fire is going to be a whole lot worse, and forever, because eternity has been placed in our hearts. Is that what you want?
At the same time, consider something in your life that gives you pleasure and joy. Consider never having pleasure and joy for an eternity of time. Is pleasure and joy something that you want to miss out on?
The new universe, and the destruction of the old, are Biblical.
God simply could have made the perfect universe from the start.
God simply DID make the perfect universe from the start. Perfection includes the ability for people to make choices. People decided on their own to create the imperfection.
Who says perfection includes the ability for people to make choices, it obviously doesn't because people as you said created the imperfection, therefore god should have made humans perfect and flawless.
If there is no ability to make choices, then there is no way for you to suggest perfection or imperfection.
The problem is, that god can do something about it, he can do anything, can't he? If I know that my house will get burned tomorrow and I can prevent it then I will just prevent it, it makes no sense to not do anything about it knowing it's going to happen and then get angry, why would I be angry? It makes no sense as I said. God makes no sense.
If I knew my kids will mess up their lives and I can do something to help them then I will just do something to help them, considering god can do anything then again makes no sense.
If I knew my kids will mess up their lives and I can do something to help them then I will just do something to help them, considering god can do anything then again makes no sense.
This is exactly the point. God made Jesus salvation to help his children. God's anger begins with frustration, and ends with departure.
Why is God frustrated? Because He made the way out for Astargath, and Astargath simply won't accept.
Astargath: Me wanna do it my way. Why God not let me do it my way? Sure, God made it all and owns it all, but God bad because He not let me do it my way.
Things work the way they work. Be glad God made a way out for you, and accept it.
He would have made them smarter to not commit sin in the first place (And why did he even test them in the first place if he already knew they would fail, like why tell them not to eat from that tree when he already knew). As I said, god is either stupid or doesn't exist (the second option seems the best). A god cannot be frustrated or angry or really have any other emotion. A god would not have emotions because that would also make no sense. How can you be frustrated when you can literally change and do anything? Do you not see that? What can you be angry about if you already know everything?
Don't you ever like a challenge? Don't you play basketball with your friends? Perhaps you struggle with a game of chess, now and again.
God can literally change anything and do anything. But He wanted something where He might have to give His all. And that is what He did when He made people.
People used their tiny amount of power that God gave them, to damn themselves. They did it by not obeying God regarding the fruit of the tree. They could have obeyed. But they chose not to. And death was the result. The kind of death real death is, is damnation. God even warned them about it.
Then God changed things. It was a struggle for Him. But in His almighty power, He DID change things. He brought Jesus salvation into being for those damned people. Now they don't have to be damned any longer.
But, at the same time, God didn't change the one thing that He set out to create in people... people with a free will to accept God or reject Him. So, use your free will to accept God by accepting the way out for you... Jesus salvation. If you don't, you have used your free will to bring final damnation destruction on yourself.
After all, it is what it is. You can't be changed to be a robot without a soul. If you were, damnation wouldn't affect you. Accept life. Accept Jesus salvation.
There is no free will if everything is already written and god knows what's going to happen.
Since you were programmed to say that, I guess there isn't. But there can be... even for you... like there is for all the sincere Christians.
Then how will god prevent humans from doing bad things once they get to heaven?
My son. If you really want answers like that, you will have to become a believer so you can go there and find out.
I was a believer and I got no answers to anything. I read the bible fully and I understood that it was just nonsense. My grandma always used to say she was praying for this or for that and yet her prayers never worked and she has always been a believer. It was clear to me that at that point God didn't exist or he was just evil. There is no point in all the suffering that happens here when he has the power to stop it. Specially the suffering of innocent people, children that are born with diseases and illness without having done anything bad. It shows that god does not exist.
Sounds like you missed a lot in your Bible reading.
In the end, there will be a new universe with joy and perfection. This one will be destroyed right down to its bottom, basic roots, and all the imperfection with it. It will never be "remembered or brought to mind" again... as though it had never existed.
Above all, for you, there is your freedom to choose which part you will be part of. Take your pick. But if you choose destruction, test it out first by, say, cutting off your fingers, one at a time, with a dull knife. The pain of total destruction in the Lake of Fire is going to be a whole lot worse, and forever, because eternity has been placed in our hearts. Is that what you want?
At the same time, consider something in your life that gives you pleasure and joy. Consider never having pleasure and joy for an eternity of time. Is pleasure and joy something that you want to miss out on?
The new universe, and the destruction of the old, are Biblical.
God simply could have made the perfect universe from the start.
God simply DID make the perfect universe from the start. Perfection includes the ability for people to make choices. People decided on their own to create the imperfection.
Who says perfection includes the ability for people to make choices, it obviously doesn't because people as you said created the imperfection, therefore god should have made humans perfect and flawless.
The problem is, that god can do something about it, he can do anything, can't he? If I know that my house will get burned tomorrow and I can prevent it then I will just prevent it, it makes no sense to not do anything about it knowing it's going to happen and then get angry, why would I be angry? It makes no sense as I said. God makes no sense.
If I knew my kids will mess up their lives and I can do something to help them then I will just do something to help them, considering god can do anything then again makes no sense.
If I knew my kids will mess up their lives and I can do something to help them then I will just do something to help them, considering god can do anything then again makes no sense.
This is exactly the point. God made Jesus salvation to help his children. God's anger begins with frustration, and ends with departure.
Why is God frustrated? Because He made the way out for Astargath, and Astargath simply won't accept.
Astargath: Me wanna do it my way. Why God not let me do it my way? Sure, God made it all and owns it all, but God bad because He not let me do it my way.
Things work the way they work. Be glad God made a way out for you, and accept it.
He would have made them smarter to not commit sin in the first place (And why did he even test them in the first place if he already knew they would fail, like why tell them not to eat from that tree when he already knew). As I said, god is either stupid or doesn't exist (the second option seems the best). A god cannot be frustrated or angry or really have any other emotion. A god would not have emotions because that would also make no sense. How can you be frustrated when you can literally change and do anything? Do you not see that? What can you be angry about if you already know everything?
Don't you ever like a challenge? Don't you play basketball with your friends? Perhaps you struggle with a game of chess, now and again.
God can literally change anything and do anything. But He wanted something where He might have to give His all. And that is what He did when He made people.
People used their tiny amount of power that God gave them, to damn themselves. They did it by not obeying God regarding the fruit of the tree. They could have obeyed. But they chose not to. And death was the result. The kind of death real death is, is damnation. God even warned them about it.
Then God changed things. It was a struggle for Him. But in His almighty power, He DID change things. He brought Jesus salvation into being for those damned people. Now they don't have to be damned any longer.
But, at the same time, God didn't change the one thing that He set out to create in people... people with a free will to accept God or reject Him. So, use your free will to accept God by accepting the way out for you... Jesus salvation. If you don't, you have used your free will to bring final damnation destruction on yourself.
After all, it is what it is. You can't be changed to be a robot without a soul. If you were, damnation wouldn't affect you. Accept life. Accept Jesus salvation.
There is no free will if everything is already written and god knows what's going to happen.
Since you were programmed to say that, I guess there isn't. But there can be... even for you... like there is for all the sincere Christians.
Then how will god prevent humans from doing bad things once they get to heaven?
My son. If you really want answers like that, you will have to become a believer so you can go there and find out.
I was a believer and I got no answers to anything. I read the bible fully and I understood that it was just nonsense. My grandma always used to say she was praying for this or for that and yet her prayers never worked and she has always been a believer. It was clear to me that at that point God didn't exist or he was just evil. There is no point in all the suffering that happens here when he has the power to stop it. Specially the suffering of innocent people, children that are born with diseases and illness without having done anything bad. It shows that god does not exist.
Sounds like you missed a lot in your Bible reading.
In the end, there will be a new universe with joy and perfection. This one will be destroyed right down to its bottom, basic roots, and all the imperfection with it. It will never be "remembered or brought to mind" again... as though it had never existed.
Above all, for you, there is your freedom to choose which part you will be part of. Take your pick. But if you choose destruction, test it out first by, say, cutting off your fingers, one at a time, with a dull knife. The pain of total destruction in the Lake of Fire is going to be a whole lot worse, and forever, because eternity has been placed in our hearts. Is that what you want?
At the same time, consider something in your life that gives you pleasure and joy. Consider never having pleasure and joy for an eternity of time. Is pleasure and joy something that you want to miss out on?
The new universe, and the destruction of the old, are Biblical.
God simply could have made the perfect universe from the start.
God simply DID make the perfect universe from the start. Perfection includes the ability for people to make choices. People decided on their own to create the imperfection.
The problem is, that god can do something about it, he can do anything, can't he? If I know that my house will get burned tomorrow and I can prevent it then I will just prevent it, it makes no sense to not do anything about it knowing it's going to happen and then get angry, why would I be angry? It makes no sense as I said. God makes no sense.
If I knew my kids will mess up their lives and I can do something to help them then I will just do something to help them, considering god can do anything then again makes no sense.
If I knew my kids will mess up their lives and I can do something to help them then I will just do something to help them, considering god can do anything then again makes no sense.
This is exactly the point. God made Jesus salvation to help his children. God's anger begins with frustration, and ends with departure.
Why is God frustrated? Because He made the way out for Astargath, and Astargath simply won't accept.
Astargath: Me wanna do it my way. Why God not let me do it my way? Sure, God made it all and owns it all, but God bad because He not let me do it my way.
Things work the way they work. Be glad God made a way out for you, and accept it.
He would have made them smarter to not commit sin in the first place (And why did he even test them in the first place if he already knew they would fail, like why tell them not to eat from that tree when he already knew). As I said, god is either stupid or doesn't exist (the second option seems the best). A god cannot be frustrated or angry or really have any other emotion. A god would not have emotions because that would also make no sense. How can you be frustrated when you can literally change and do anything? Do you not see that? What can you be angry about if you already know everything?
Don't you ever like a challenge? Don't you play basketball with your friends? Perhaps you struggle with a game of chess, now and again.
God can literally change anything and do anything. But He wanted something where He might have to give His all. And that is what He did when He made people.
People used their tiny amount of power that God gave them, to damn themselves. They did it by not obeying God regarding the fruit of the tree. They could have obeyed. But they chose not to. And death was the result. The kind of death real death is, is damnation. God even warned them about it.
Then God changed things. It was a struggle for Him. But in His almighty power, He DID change things. He brought Jesus salvation into being for those damned people. Now they don't have to be damned any longer.
But, at the same time, God didn't change the one thing that He set out to create in people... people with a free will to accept God or reject Him. So, use your free will to accept God by accepting the way out for you... Jesus salvation. If you don't, you have used your free will to bring final damnation destruction on yourself.
After all, it is what it is. You can't be changed to be a robot without a soul. If you were, damnation wouldn't affect you. Accept life. Accept Jesus salvation.
There is no free will if everything is already written and god knows what's going to happen.
Since you were programmed to say that, I guess there isn't. But there can be... even for you... like there is for all the sincere Christians.
Then how will god prevent humans from doing bad things once they get to heaven?
My son. If you really want answers like that, you will have to become a believer so you can go there and find out.
I was a believer and I got no answers to anything. I read the bible fully and I understood that it was just nonsense. My grandma always used to say she was praying for this or for that and yet her prayers never worked and she has always been a believer. It was clear to me that at that point God didn't exist or he was just evil. There is no point in all the suffering that happens here when he has the power to stop it. Specially the suffering of innocent people, children that are born with diseases and illness without having done anything bad. It shows that god does not exist.
Sounds like you missed a lot in your Bible reading.
In the end, there will be a new universe with joy and perfection. This one will be destroyed right down to its bottom, basic roots, and all the imperfection with it. It will never be "remembered or brought to mind" again... as though it had never existed.
Above all, for you, there is your freedom to choose which part you will be part of. Take your pick. But if you choose destruction, test it out first by, say, cutting off your fingers, one at a time, with a dull knife. The pain of total destruction in the Lake of Fire is going to be a whole lot worse, and forever, because eternity has been placed in our hearts. Is that what you want?
At the same time, consider something in your life that gives you pleasure and joy. Consider never having pleasure and joy for an eternity of time. Is pleasure and joy something that you want to miss out on?
The new universe, and the destruction of the old, are Biblical.
God simply could have made the perfect universe from the start.
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