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I think this is the quintessential example of a flame-throw that failed. OK, so... no one is convinced over this scam accusation. I think the message has been made clear, so if the OP wants to continue to vent, and assert he's right, so be it, but no one cares.

While I appreciate the way that OP made the investigation of the whole matter, in my view, the accusation is still premature maybe we should be waiting some time and gather more facts before we can conclude with finality that Hhampuz scammed the coins from the Bestmixer campaign. I actually enjoyed reading the heated and animated exchange of opinions on this thread but for now maybe we should let this case be shelved temporarily and let's wait any move from the Bestmixer guys. Of course, this is just my opinion.
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I think this is the quintessential example of a flame-throw that failed. OK, so... no one is convinced over this scam accusation. I think the message has been made clear, so if the OP wants to continue to vent, and assert he's right, so be it, but no one cares.
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great to see that QS has a great in depth knowledge of a mixing companies security and dead man switch policies. Hhampuz wont reply as this does not deserve a reply, lock the thread QS.. or keep it in your arsenal of threads you like to bump when people piss you off
legendary
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Just got knowledge of this shit show.

Classic Quicksie again.

To be honest even IF HHampuz decided to move the funds WITHOUT a request from BestMixer, this doesn't mean at all he won't return said funds upon request of bestmixer team.

To me the only thing he owes bestmixer is to keep these funds secure for some time, say a year, before it would be ok to use them for himself, or for whatever he wants.

Morally he did absolutely nothing wrong, and you are just twisting facts to fit your biased narrative.
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@Hhampuz I don't expect you to respond here nor do I feel you need to, but it looks odd that Lauda is forbidding you to respond here. Almost like she controls you? Grow some balls and stand up to accusations like this. I'm not attacking you or her, it just looks odd. I do feel she has your best interests in mind in this situation but you have a voice too dude.

I sent Hhampuz a PM saying no one would think less of him if he just ignored QS.   

Maybe Hhampuz does not want to get involved in what is clearly a "disgruntled employee" venting?

This is responsible behaviour, I think you are responding to this situation very well as a trusted member of this forum.
That said, Quickseller has provided some solid, tangible proof that goes beyond just his word. I think Hhampuz should give a response, it's interesting where this will go from here.
Weird.
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@Hhampuz I don't expect you to respond here nor do I feel you need to, but it looks odd that Lauda is forbidding you to respond here. Almost like she controls you? Grow some balls and stand up to accusations like this. I'm not attacking you or her, it just looks odd. I do feel she has your best interests in mind in this situation but you have a voice too dude.

I sent Hhampuz a PM saying no one would think less of him if he just ignored QS.    

Maybe Hhampuz does not want to get involved in what is clearly a "disgruntled employee" venting?

This is responsible behaviour, I think you are responding to this situation very well as a trusted member of this forum.
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While it is in my best interest for Hhampuz to be criticized and attacked, I think this attack is bullshit. Whatever deal between bestmixer and Hhampuz is between them and them alone.
You are wrong. If you are aware of someone taking advantage of someone (especially when the person being taken advantage of is in a position of weakness), or that someone is misappropriating someone else's money (especially when the person is not in a position to speak out), you have a moral obligation to call out the person.

There are many situations in which a victim is not in a position to complain because the thief owes him additional money, is holding something else over the victims head, or the victim is otherwise vulnerable. 
You have no right to try and smear the guy just because you're pissed off over the livecoin issue. Read all the campaigns rules from all the reputable managers on the forum. They all pretty much state, they can remove you at ANY time for ANY reason.
This is off topic here, but I will address this.

1 - this has nothing to do with getting fired by Hhampuz. I have no problem criticizing anyone, regardless of any business relationship, and if I had still been in the campaign, I would have been willing to get fired for calling out Hhampuz two weeks later for calling him out on this embezzlement. If I was in one of your campaigns, and I was aware of similar activity by you, I would not hesitate to open a similar scam accusation, although before doing so, I would first ask you what happened, and give you the opportunity to address what happened before putting you on blast. 

2 - You are absolutely wrong. This is regardless of any "terms" any campaign manager puts in their campaign thread. A campaign manager has an obligation to his client to maximize the long term value of the advertising dollars of his client. If a campaign manager does anything other than any action that (he in good faith believes, and has good reason to believe) maximizes the long term value of the advertising money he is spending on behalf, he is either corrupt, engaging in nepotism, or both.

If you disagree, or if you want to discuss 1 or 2 further, we can move this to PM or to a new thread, as this is off topic in this thread.   

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Hhampuz was not contacted through an intermediary to return the excess funds. He would have no way of verifying the validity of this type of request, and the timing would not make sense.

Quickseller,
I actually the message you posted on bestmixer campaign thread but i think is too early to say Hhampuz embezzled best mixer fund for the people who can actually claim that are nowhere to be find and the reason why Hhampuz moved the fund through Chip mixer doesn't mean he  embezzled either for he done for his personal reason. However, if best mixer representative ask of the fund and Hhampuz don't provide it then we can be sure.
If BestMixer has not yet requested the money be returned, Hhampuz should hold the money where it was. When you are dealing with other people's money, you do not get the benefit of the doubt, and you must remain transparent.

Perhaps instead of trolling, defending scammers and being a bitch on the internet, you should learn how to read:
Quote from: Hhampuz
and due to them not being online here that much. They declined and said this will be the only form of communication.
I was one of the best mixer campaign participants then and I could remember Manager Hhampuz said he ask BestMixer people to let him and them get in touch through a better means rather than using the forum only which they insisted sending PM is the only means of communication they are Ok with.
Therefore, Hhampuz shouldn't be blame for moving the remaining BTC since none of the best mixer step forward by now.
The operators of BestMixer being in jail or otherwise unavailable to request the money be returned is not a reason for Hhampuz to keep the money for his own personal use.

As long as Hhampuz continues to have access to the campaign funds for a reasonable time (or is able to return the money from his own pocket to the person/people behind BestMiexer if they return within a reasonable timeframe, especially since it seems no arrests have been made), I'd say there's no basis in labeling him as a scammer.
If Hhampuz had lost access to the bitcoin due to his own incompetence, such as loosing access to the keys, having the bitcoin stolen via malware, having the bitcoin otherwise stolen from him, I would agree that Hhampuz could return the money out of his own personal funds, but only as long as he is transparent with what happened, and that he is publicly promising to repay what he lost.

Hhampuz moved the bitcoin to what I believe to be ChipMixer, which is what I believe to be prima face evidence that he is trying to hide the money so he can use it for his own benefit. Further, it is not known that Hhampuz still has access to the bitcoin, and he has not stated he will return the money if BestMixer returns and asks for their money back.

As stated above, when dealing with someone else's money, you should not get the benefit of the doubt, and you should maintain transparency.


Best Mixer: their site suddenly seized and there is no way to contact with them. So, how to send rest fund back to Best Mixer?

If Hhampuz cannot send the money back to BestMixer, he should not move them, and use them for his personal benefit. He can hold the coins in the address where he was paying out campaign participants.
legendary
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Reasons likely are:
Bit Blender: Hhampuz actually was able to make contact with blender in the forum (or even beyond the forum) to send rest of unused fund back.
Thank you very much Campaign Manager Hhampuz!

Everyone should have been paid and Hhampuz sent me the remaining coins.
Best Mixer: their site suddenly seized and there is no way to contact with them. So, how to send rest fund back to Best Mixer?
I've never had any contact with BestMixer outside of this forum, the account that messaged me never even gave me a name at the bottom of their message. I once asked if we could talk outside of bitcointalk since it would be easier and due to them not being online here that much. They declined and said this will be the only form of communication.
If Hhampuz actually sent unused fund back to Bit Blender (long before the accusation), I believe the only reason that he has not made the same thing for Best Mixer is unable to contact Best Mixer team after all. The bestmixer account was last actively on 19/5/2019, long ago before the bestmixer shutdown.
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@Hhampuz I don't expect you to respond here nor do I feel you need to, but it looks odd that Lauda is forbidding you to respond here. Almost like she controls you? Grow some balls and stand up to accusations like this. I'm not attacking you or her, it just looks odd. I do feel she has your best interests in mind in this situation but you have a voice too dude.

I sent Hhampuz a PM saying no one would think less of him if he just ignored QS.    

Maybe Hhampuz does not want to get involved in what is clearly a "disgruntled employee" venting?
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This could have been the reward for Hampuz for helping the authorities or a bribe from Hampuz to authorities for not accusing him for helping and promoting money laundering. Or it's the authorities investigating about Chipmixer with the money of Bestmixer.
legendary
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As long as Hhampuz continues to have access to the campaign funds for a reasonable time (or is able to return the money from his own pocket to the person/people behind BestMiexer if they return within a reasonable timeframe, especially since it seems no arrests have been made), I'd say there's no basis in labeling him as a scammer.
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Perhaps instead of trolling, defending scammers and being a bitch on the internet, you should learn how to read:
Quote from: Hhampuz
and due to them not being online here that much. They declined and said this will be the only form of communication.
I was one of the best mixer campaign participants then and I could remember Manager Hhampuz said he ask BestMixer people to let him and them get in touch through a better means rather than using the forum only which they insisted sending PM is the only means of communication they are Ok with.
Therefore, Hhampuz shouldn't be blame for moving the remaining BTC since none of the best mixer step forward by now.
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Quickseller,
I actually the message you posted on bestmixer campaign thread but i think is too early to say Hhampuz embezzled best mixer fund for the people who can actually claim that are nowhere to be find and the reason why Hhampuz moved the fund through Chip mixer doesn't mean he  embezzled either for he done for his personal reason. However, if best mixer representative ask of the fund and Hhampuz don't provide it then we can be sure.
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Also BestMixer has not logged in and Hhampuz has confirmed he has no out of forum communication channels with them.

If a business acquaintance owed me $4000, and I end up in the drunk tank for a few nights, and I use my one phone call to call my mother, and my business acquaintance puts my money in his bank account, and I have no way of communicating with said business acquaintance...  Does that make my business acquaintance a scammer?

I don't know what happened to the BestMixer folks, but what if?  All we can do is ask "what if?"  This whole thread is a big fucking "what if."

Give it a rest, man.  We don't have anywhere near enough information to conclude that Hhampuz scammed anyone, and giving his track record the safe assumption is that he never will.
legendary
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While it is in my best interest for Hhampuz to be criticized and attacked, I think this attack is bullshit. Whatever deal between bestmixer and Hhampuz is between them and them alone.

It is not your business @Quickseller. You have no right to try and smear the guy just because you're pissed off over the livecoin issue. Read all the campaigns rules from all the reputable managers on the forum. They all pretty much state, they can remove you at ANY time for ANY reason. Your opinion of yourself and your posting habits does not matter 1 bit.

Neither does anyone else's opinion on the selection process of who gets in or who doesn't. Signature campaigns are a privilege not a right. The companies that hire the managers hire the person they wish to basically speak for the company. The manager's decision is final in 99.9% of the cases.

I have nothing against you besides your escrow deal, other then that I always thought you were a fairly level headed guy who stopped quite a few users from scamming, but you're wrong here.

If bestmixer pops in and says Hhampuz will not return the remaining funds, then by all means continue the witch hunt and message me. I'll tag him myself as I'm sure many other DTs would also do.

We do not know what the deal is between the company and the manager, so for now leave it alone.

@Hhampuz I don't expect you to respond here nor do I feel you need to, but it looks odd that Lauda is forbidding you to respond here. Almost like she controls you? Grow some balls and stand up to accusations like this. I'm not attacking you or her, it just looks odd. I do feel she has your best interests in mind in this situation but you have a voice too dude.
legendary
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How would he possibly establish such channels? Their domain is seized along with their wallets...there would be no way for him to verify their identity.

You can't have it both ways (well, you'll certainly try). Either Bestmixer can contact Hhampuz to arrange a refund or some other action, or they can't and Hhampuz is acting on a previously-arranged plan or his own judgement by sending the coins somewhere safe, just to mention a couple of many possibilities why the funds may have moved. You have to employ a bunch of fairly stupid assumptions to make it look like a scam, starting with the highly improbable premise that Hhampuz couldn't be trusted with half a coin after he was handling many times that just for this campaign alone.
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Perhaps instead of trolling, defending scammers and being a bitch on the internet, you should learn how to read:
Quote from: Hhampuz
and due to them not being online here that much. They declined and said this will be the only form of communication.

That still

doesn't mean that he can't establish such channels or that he can't act on a previously established plan.
How would he possibly establish such channels? Their domain is seized along with their wallets...there would be no way for him to verify their identity.
legendary
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Perhaps instead of trolling, defending scammers and being a bitch on the internet, you should learn how to read:
Quote from: Hhampuz
and due to them not being online here that much. They declined and said this will be the only form of communication.

That still

doesn't mean that he can't establish such channels or that he can't act on a previously established plan.
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Also BestMixer has not logged in and Hhampuz has confirmed he has no out of forum communication channels with them.

That doesn't mean that he can't establish such channels or that he can't act on a previously established plan.

... among many other things.

Perhaps instead of trolling, defending scammers and being a bitch on the internet, you should learn how to read:
Quote from: Hhampuz
and due to them not being online here that much. They declined and said this will be the only form of communication.
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