Hi, guys, I (NAKOWA) was beaten. Lost 5k BTC in two days (Still UP). - page 4.

Rampion

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Quote from: allover on September 27, 2013, 02:14:44 PM

Quote from: Rampion on September 27, 2013, 02:06:50 PM

what should Dooglus do to "unfix" you, so you can keep exploiting this yet unfixed flaw in J-D?

Were you me, what would you do?

I couldn't be you because I believe J-D is legit and sha256 has no known flaws, and finally I know the odds are against you, and unless you cheat you cannot *beat* the odds in the long run, you can just get lucky in the short/mid term.

But, let's say I'm you, and I believe there is a flaw in JD that allows me to "spot patterns" and thus beat the house in the long run. Let's say I know the exploit is still there, but Dooglus "fixed" me in some other way.

I would just ask Dooglus to "unfix" me, so I can prove everybody I can destroy the house. In this case "Nakowa" would have written a page in history.

So: how do we "unfix" you, Nakowa? Many investors might support your cause and ask Dooglus.

dooglus

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Quote from: allover on September 27, 2013, 02:14:44 PM

Doog still failed to prove he didn't change anything other than max profit.

I have offered to help you understand the proof twice now, but you fail to respond.

Which part are you having trouble understanding? I'm quite patient and should be able to help you see how it works.

horsea

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Quote from: integrity42 on September 27, 2013, 02:21:52 PM

Quote from: horsea on September 27, 2013, 02:18:42 PM

Quote from: integrity42 on September 27, 2013, 02:17:27 PM

Dooglus is putting the max bet back to 200BTC in a few hours...

But nobody wants you to play there anymore because you are such a complainer and fraud.

Go play at satoshidice 1.9% edge.

How much did you lose because of nakowa?

You forgot to click the ignore button.

Will do! Sir!

integrity42

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Quote from: horsea on September 27, 2013, 02:18:42 PM

Quote from: integrity42 on September 27, 2013, 02:17:27 PM

Dooglus is putting the max bet back to 200BTC in a few hours...

But nobody wants you to play there anymore because you are such a complainer and fraud.

Go play at satoshidice 1.9% edge.

How much did you lose because of nakowa?

You forgot to click the ignore button.

dalexc

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Quote from: Peter R on September 27, 2013, 02:06:03 PM

Quote from: allover on September 27, 2013, 01:41:08 PM

I think most investors and doog will absolutely not agree with you on this.

I don't know exactly how much you lost since the change, let's call it 2000 BTC. You deposit an additional 2000 BTC into any one of your alias accounts and we credit the same account with 2000 BTC. You get 4000 BTC to begin gambling with. But you can't withdraw anything until you gamble twice the volume of the voided sequence. You are free to deposit more at any time, however.

If the investors believe in the math, they would take this bet, since the expected profit is positive and we are in the business of accepting 1% biased risk up to 1/2 the Kelly Criterion.

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And, since other changes might be made, what's the point whether I win or lose?

How can we make other changes? You may use any one of your alias accounts. This part of the game is proveably fair.

As a investor (albeit small) I'm all for this.

horsea

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Quote from: integrity42 on September 27, 2013, 02:17:27 PM

Dooglus is putting the max bet back to 200BTC in a few hours...

But nobody wants you to play there anymore because you are such a complainer and fraud.

Go play at satoshidice 1.9% edge.

How much did you lose because of nakowa?

dooglus

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Quote from: allover on September 27, 2013, 01:47:12 PM

I'm saying: if Doog fixed the exploit I used, which he still didn't, (he just fixed me, directly) and let mathematics run the casino, I would go bankrupted if I play long enough.

If you don't tell me the real exploit, I can't fix it.

You have told me two different stories about how you win:

1) "the min and max are too far apart; that allows me to 'create variance'"

I fixed that by decreasing the gap between min and max. For all players.

2) "WLWL is the most common sequence; exploit that 'fact'"

WLWL isn't the most common sequence, so there's nothing to fix.

Now you're telling me that the real exploit is neither of the two things you previously told me it was.

integrity42

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Dooglus is putting the max bet back to 200BTC in a few hours...

But nobody wants you to play there anymore because you are such a complainer and fraud.

Go play at satoshidice 1.9% edge.

allover

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In mathematics we believe.

Quote from: Peter R on September 27, 2013, 02:06:03 PM

I don't know exactly how much you lost since the change, let's call it 2000 BTC. You deposit an additional 2000 BTC into any one of your alias accounts and we credit the same account with 2000 BTC. You get 4000 BTC to begin gambling with. But you can't withdraw anything until you gamble twice the volume of the voided sequence. You are free to deposit more at any time, however.

If the investors believe in the math, they would take this bet, since the expected profit is positive and we are in the business of excepting 1% biased risk up to 1/2 the Kelly Criterion.

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And, since other changes might be made, what's the point whether I win or lose?

How can we make other changes? You may use any one of your alias accounts. This part of the game is proveably fair.

I simply don't believe doog and the investors have the courage to do so. Futhermore, even if they are willing to do so, I'm sort of reluctant get involved, since Doog still failed to prove he didn't change anything other than max profit.

Quote from: Rampion on September 27, 2013, 02:06:50 PM

what should Dooglus do to "unfix" you, so you can keep exploiting this yet unfixed flaw in J-D?

Were you me, what would you do?

integrity42

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Nobody will click the ignore button on my posts. Because they agree Nakowa is a fraud. Nakowa stay away from justdice.com. Nobody cares about you playing there anymore.

Take your bitcoins and go somewhere else. Dooglus putting the profit back to 0.50%, and investors have already made back 5000BTC without you with low profit 0.25%.

SO investors want you to stay away. Go play at satoshidice for 1.9% edge.

mechs

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Quote from: Rampion on September 27, 2013, 02:06:50 PM

Quote from: mechs on September 27, 2013, 01:55:32 PM

Nakowa, you have proven even a complete idiot can be a good gambler. You are like one of those idiot savants who cannot brush their own teeth but can count cards through a 8 deck shuffle.

Mechs, you amaze me. There is no "good" dice gambler, the dice is completely random. The dice is not black jack, poker or sports betting.

Nakowa, you did not answer my question:

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what should Dooglus do to "unfix" you, so you can keep exploiting this yet unfixed flaw in J-D?

the fool has balls of steal and somehow accumulated a huge bankroll. variance works in his favor since when he gets on a win streak with huge max profit, it causes a run in the bank. My guess is it will happen again and soon.

Rampion

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Quote from: mechs on September 27, 2013, 01:55:32 PM

Nakowa, you have proven even a complete idiot can be a good gambler. You are like one of those idiot savants who cannot brush their own teeth but can count cards through a 8 deck shuffle.

Mechs, you amaze me. There is no "good" dice gambler, the dice is completely random. The dice is not black jack, poker or sports betting.

Nakowa, you did not answer my question:

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what should Dooglus do to "unfix" you, so you can keep exploiting this yet unfixed flaw in J-D?

horsea

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Quote from: wachtwoord on September 27, 2013, 02:03:32 PM

Allover, hit the ignore button for integrity42. We all have, he's an idiot.

LMAO

Peter R

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Quote from: allover on September 27, 2013, 01:41:08 PM

I think most investors and doog will absolutely not agree with you on this.

I don't know exactly how much you lost since the change, let's call it 2000 BTC. You deposit an additional 2000 BTC into any one of your alias accounts and we credit the same account with 2000 BTC. You get 4000 BTC to begin gambling with. But you can't withdraw anything until you gamble twice the volume of the voided sequence. You are free to deposit more at any time, however.

If the investors believe in the math, they would take this bet, since the expected profit is positive and we are in the business of accepting 1% biased risk up to 1/2 the Kelly Criterion.

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And, since other changes might be made, what's the point whether I win or lose?

How can we make other changes? You may use any one of your alias accounts. This part of the game is proveably fair.

wachtwoord

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Allover, hit the ignore button for integrity42. We all have, he's an idiot.

allover

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In mathematics we believe.

Quote from: mechs on September 27, 2013, 01:55:32 PM

Quote from: allover on September 27, 2013, 01:22:10 PM

Quote from: Rampion on September 27, 2013, 01:08:49 PM

Nakowa: just use a third party tool to check your rolls, they will completely match what you had during your last sessions - the site is PROVABLY FAIR, meaning that you can check for yourself that there was no cheating, and that's a fact. The lag, if it existed at all, had absolutely no effect on the dice numbers. This is non debatable, Dooglus already proved himself uploading a screenshot, you can check by yourself using a third party tool - end of the story.

If you think the problem here was the max profit %, no problem - in a while you will be able to prove to us how your strategy beats the house if the max profit is taken to 0.5%.

It's suspecious about lagging, not "provably fair". With the same algorithm, the game could simply ignore the previous winning result, and place another bet (win or lose, doesn't matter, equivalent to raise the house edge two folds higher), and give the player a tremendous hit, especially when betsize is large. Don't know whether I've made myself clear.

Nakowa, you have proven even a complete idiot can be a good gambler. You are like one of those idiot savants who cannot brush their own teeth but can count cards through a 8 deck shuffle.

1. namecalling reveals that you IQ is in a very low level.
2. you pushed Doog, resulting him making irrational decision.
3. you must lost a lot because of me, THANK YOU!

integrity42

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Nakowa, you are a fraud. Your baseless accusations against Dooglus are a complete fraud.

Dooglus will raise the max bet back to 0.50% which means it will be 200+ BTC at midnight UTC timezone tonight. This isn't for you, its for other players, so don't come back. Go play at SatoshiDice 1.9%.

Nobody wants you to play at Justdice.com anymore. Have fun on letsdice or others.

mechs

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Quote from: allover on September 27, 2013, 01:54:07 PM

Quote from: wachtwoord on September 27, 2013, 01:48:17 PM

Dolphins?

This one for example: https://just-dice.com/roll/141480279
Lost a 90% change bet, -416.2381393 BTC.

Crazy bets like that are like picking up pennies in front of a steamroller.

Rampion

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Quote from: wachtwoord on September 27, 2013, 01:48:17 PM

Dolphins?

Dolphins < Whales

Quote from: allover on September 27, 2013, 01:47:12 PM

I'm saying: if Doog fixed the exploit I used, which he still didn't, (he just fixed me, directly) and let mathematics run the casino, I would go bankrupted if I play long enough.

BTW: I saw at least 3 dolphins got hunted today in JD.

So: what should Dooglus do to "unfix" you, so you can keep exploiting this yet unfixed flaw in J-D?

mechs

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Quote from: allover on September 27, 2013, 01:22:10 PM

Quote from: Rampion on September 27, 2013, 01:08:49 PM

Nakowa: just use a third party tool to check your rolls, they will completely match what you had during your last sessions - the site is PROVABLY FAIR, meaning that you can check for yourself that there was no cheating, and that's a fact. The lag, if it existed at all, had absolutely no effect on the dice numbers. This is non debatable, Dooglus already proved himself uploading a screenshot, you can check by yourself using a third party tool - end of the story.

If you think the problem here was the max profit %, no problem - in a while you will be able to prove to us how your strategy beats the house if the max profit is taken to 0.5%.

It's suspecious about lagging, not "provably fair". With the same algorithm, the game could simply ignore the previous winning result, and place another bet (win or lose, doesn't matter, equivalent to raise the house edge two folds higher), and give the player a tremendous hit, especially when betsize is large. Don't know whether I've made myself clear.

Nakowa, you have proven even a complete idiot can be a good gambler. You are like one of those idiot savants who cannot brush their own teeth but can count cards through a 8 deck shuffle.

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