Hi, guys, I (NAKOWA) was beaten. Lost 5k BTC in two days (Still UP). - page 8.

allover

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UPDATE 4

2013.09.27 14:05:38 (1) fizz: it's ok to cater to whales, but what if they're breaking you?

I (the whale) always play by rules (the rules you set).

Now you think I'm breaking you by the rules you set, and you fight back by changing rules (which is exactly what you did)?

Doog, you're disappointing me.

Sigh, only harsh pressure can reveal one's true character.

allover

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Quote from: drawingthesun on September 27, 2013, 12:54:34 AM

Ah thanks. So lets-dice is down 170 bitcoin at the moment? Variance?

YES.

However, WE DON'T CHANGE RULES BECAUSE PLAYERS WIN, right?

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Quote from: Cluster2k on September 27, 2013, 12:01:57 AM

Use your previous winning strategy and take revenge on the site. Crush the investors, see them driven before you, hear the lamentations of their women.

1. Are you an investor of JD? If so, I'm sorry.
2. As of your description on "Crush the investors, see them..." I already did, over and over. Once interesting, now boring.
3. I was beaten by changed rules, public and hidden. (within two sessions, gave back 5k winnings.)
4. I got 12k "free" coins, which I think is pretty enough, considering the cost of these coins is ZERO.
5. Out of that 12K, I spend 6k on IPO shares of letsdice.com; the dividend I've been receiving daily is pretty decent.

6. I'm using the rest for ongoing projects, and more nicely designed games are coming.

What makes you think I will lose after all?

drawingthesun

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Quote from: allover on September 27, 2013, 12:53:04 AM

Quote from: drawingthesun on September 27, 2013, 12:12:40 AM

Quote from: integrity42 on September 26, 2013, 02:34:43 PM

Nakowa uses investor money from letsdice.com to play at just-dice.com

Nakowa is a fraud. I hope he never plays at just-dice.com again.

http://blockchain.info/address/1LDipoYVWA7UsFzWrrcXUGLnsXWuYaJB9f

Well it seems he has taken 1,000 bitcoin from lets-dice.

The receiving address belongs to https://letsdice.com too.
http://blockchain.info/address/1LDBankfbBAqMBBX65xgxgKQqgeuR2DD6U

It's for the online hot wallet.

Ah thanks. So lets-dice is down 170 bitcoin at the moment? Variance?

allover

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Quote from: drawingthesun on September 27, 2013, 12:12:40 AM

Quote from: integrity42 on September 26, 2013, 02:34:43 PM

Nakowa uses investor money from letsdice.com to play at just-dice.com

Nakowa is a fraud. I hope he never plays at just-dice.com again.

http://blockchain.info/address/1LDipoYVWA7UsFzWrrcXUGLnsXWuYaJB9f

Well it seems he has taken 1,000 bitcoin from lets-dice.

The receiving address belongs to https://letsdice.com too.
http://blockchain.info/address/1LDBankfbBAqMBBX65xgxgKQqgeuR2DD6U

It's for the online hot wallet.

drawingthesun

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Hey Nak, what happened to that 1000 bitcoin from the lets-dice wallet?

allover

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Quote from: deadgiveaway on September 27, 2013, 12:45:01 AM

you have to know when to quit. you were up 12k btc. if that isn't enough, well..

It's enough, I agree.

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you have to know when to quit. you were up 12k btc. if that isn't enough, well..

drawingthesun

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Quote from: integrity42 on September 26, 2013, 02:34:43 PM

Nakowa uses investor money from letsdice.com to play at just-dice.com

Nakowa is a fraud. I hope he never plays at just-dice.com again.

http://blockchain.info/address/1LDipoYVWA7UsFzWrrcXUGLnsXWuYaJB9f

Well it seems he has taken 1,000 bitcoin from lets-dice.

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Quote from: allover on September 26, 2013, 10:54:53 PM

Can't you see in this situation, I, as a user, cannot have any concrete proof?

I think that's perfectly clear. I'm glad you agree.

Quote from: allover on September 26, 2013, 10:54:53 PM

But Dooglus really need to explain why that "lagging" happened.

If you bet 10 times in a row and lost with no lag you would be blaming the site operator for setting a "lose" flag on your account. If there was lag you would accuse the operator of sitting there and clicking red when your bets came up. Meh.

Use your previous winning strategy and take revenge on the site. Crush the investors, see them driven before you, hear the lamentations of their women.

allover

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Quote from: Cluster2k on September 26, 2013, 09:38:12 PM

Quote from: allover on September 26, 2013, 08:37:46 PM

Now you should explain to me one important thing (and this is the UGGLY part):

After you changed Max Profit, why something like this always happened: I placed a dust bet, the result is instantly returned and won, but when I placed large bet, the result lagged for a moment? And 8 out 10, the lagged results were losses.

What is a dust bet? Everyone knows (or should know) that each roll of the 'dice' is independent of the next. Just because you've had 10 small bets in a row that lost doesn't mean the next large bet wins. If dust betting is also meant to consume the 'bad' rolls so you can use the 'good' ones then it's the very definition of the gambler's fallacy.

Regarding small bets being resolved instantly but large bets taking a second or two, I've had situations where betting 0.0001 btc also lagged. Sometimes the lag stretched out to 5 seconds. Very loose correlation is not evidence of causation.

Without real evidence that JD has done something wrong apart from 'I feel', 'it appears' and 'it's strange that' kind of evidence it looks like you're not getting anywhere. Even if you create a new account and bet proportionally much smaller amounts on JD and consistently win that of course is not evidence that JD cheated you before. You need real evidence.

Can't you see in this situation, I, as a user, cannot have any concrete proof?

But Dooglus really need to explain why that "lagging" happened.

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Quote from: Hfleer on September 26, 2013, 07:02:03 PM

There's still other casino's with 1% edge also. I'm not sure what their max bet is though.

20 BTC is the max of the other 1%ers

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Quote from: allover on September 26, 2013, 08:37:46 PM

Now you should explain to me one important thing (and this is the UGGLY part):

After you changed Max Profit, why something like this always happened: I placed a dust bet, the result is instantly returned and won, but when I placed large bet, the result lagged for a moment? And 8 out 10, the lagged results were losses.

What is a dust bet? Everyone knows (or should know) that each roll of the 'dice' is independent of the next. Just because you've had 10 small bets in a row that lost doesn't mean the next large bet wins. If dust betting is also meant to consume the 'bad' rolls so you can use the 'good' ones then it's the very definition of the gambler's fallacy.

Regarding small bets being resolved instantly but large bets taking a second or two, I've had situations where betting 0.0001 btc also lagged. Sometimes the lag stretched out to 5 seconds. Very loose correlation is not evidence of causation.

Without real evidence that JD has done something wrong apart from 'I feel', 'it appears' and 'it's strange that' kind of evidence it looks like you're not getting anywhere. Even if you create a new account and bet proportionally much smaller amounts on JD and consistently win that of course is not evidence that JD cheated you before. You need real evidence.

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Quote from: dooglus on September 26, 2013, 02:51:07 PM

And now we get to the real point. "JD is cheating. Use LD". Right? Doesn't matter that it isn't true. Just throw enough mud and hope some of it sticks.

Again, you are UNFAIR. Again and again, though I've been trying ultimately reasonable to you.

From "JD is cheating", the concrete conclusion should be "Don't expect win big from JD anymore", among others like "Use LD, PD, ID, SD..." There're numerous dice games out there!

And the dice game would not be the only game bitcoin users enjoy. More nicely designed games are coming.

allover

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Quote from: integrity42 on September 26, 2013, 02:34:43 PM

Nakowa uses investor money from letsdice.com to play at just-dice.com

Nakowa is a fraud. I hope he never plays at just-dice.com again.

I read all your replies here, and read all your posts in the forum, the conclusion? You ARE completely RETARDED.

You know what? I can call you a fraud, since you always allege, never provide proof.

Now, allow me refute you: The investors money is in the address that everyone can check: http://blockchain.info/address/1LDipoYVWA7UsFzWrrcXUGLnsXWuYaJB9f

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Quite amazing how you wagered so much BTC just in order to law-of-large-numbers estimate the house edge on your bets.

allover

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Quote from: dooglus on September 26, 2013, 02:51:07 PM

Quote from: allover on September 25, 2013, 12:18:04 PM

JD is alleged "provably fair", which I sincerely want to believe. However, I doubt something changed. Since I have no concrete proof, I hope dooglus can public his algorithm (which I highly doubt has changed, specifically for me, the only winning whale on JD), and data of my recent bets, or all bets. In this way, the community can verify Doog didn't do anything wrong, and he's still an upstanding guy, respected by the community.

More than allegedly, it actually is provably fair. Anyone can verify your first 521 bets in http://privatepaste.com/143646bf35 because the server seed is already published. If you click 'randomize' then everyone can also verify the last 599 bets in there. I would encourage you to verify the rolls for yourself, because otherwise you'll suspect that "the community" is lying to you about it being legit, because they hate you, or for whatever reason. I would also encourage everyone else to do the same. I have nothing to hide.

OK. Doog, did you read this post? (I know you must have read; and if so, you know your answer above is completely irrelevant to refute my doubt)

Provably fair and how it can be exploited by casino owners against you. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/edu-provably-fair-and-how-it-can-be-exploited-by-casino-owners-against-you-283547

Now you should explain to me one important thing (and this is the UGGLY part):

After you changed Max Profit, why something like this always happened: I placed a dust bet, the result is instantly returned and won, but when I placed large bet, the result lagged for a moment? And 8 out 10, the lagged results were losses.

I fully understand how "provable fair" works, and that's why I played on JD with that large amount of coins. I'll keep the rest 11K, and never play on JD again. Because I cannot trust the game anymore.

NOTE: Because I CANNOT prove YOU changed anything, though I suspect, I will not call you a cheater. That's the difference between me and you (and your fans who call me a fraud, a scam, even a thief).

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Changing avatars is currently not possible.

There's still other casino's with 1% edge also. I'm not sure what their max bet is though.

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┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴

Nakowa, do you think you could spare me a bit of BTC? hahah I know you wont but its worth a try!

14yR2iK2XhbMr6aqaCRzFARem92WuLsZsL (If you wish Cheesy

Youd make my day 10x over)

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No.

DON'T come back to just-dice. We don't want your wins or your losses anymore.

GO play at satoshidice.com 1.9% edge with 500BTC bets.

Have fun.

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