Topic: High Efficiency FPGA & ASIC Bitcoin Mining Devices https://BTCFPGA.com - page 37. (Read 218469 times)
October 19, 2012, 10:43:53 AM
Wow - appears you have gone full fucking retard.... not a shocker though
October 19, 2012, 10:35:48 AM
I did not decline the bet. We'll see if Tom has enough confidence in his hardware to make the bet. My guess is he'll chicken out and take the excuse of "You won't stay out of my thread" to back out of the bet. But maybe he'll surprise me.
You are wrong! The bet was not about bASIC power requirement, ONLY about BFL's claim. Don't mix things...
Perhaps you need to read what I wrote, since you seem to be having trouble with comprehension, let me restate it:
I will accept the bet for 1.1 GH/w as stated by Tom as long as he defines "competitive" and eliminates the stipulation that I stay out of his thread. I did not modify the conditions of the bet in relation to BFLs power requirements. Therefore, I did not decline the bet. Additionally the bet was not "ONLY" about BFL's claims, as you stated, so please try to read and comprehend before posting, thanks.
What's it going to be Tom? Are you going to man up and back your hardware like you want BFL to? Or are you going to back out of the bet because you don't want to define what you consider to be "competitive?"
I've got 1000 BTC backing BFL's claims, put that 1000 BTC behind your claims.
October 19, 2012, 10:34:24 AM
I did not decline the bet. We'll see if Tom has enough confidence in his hardware to make the bet. My guess is he'll chicken out and take the excuse of "You won't stay out of my thread" to back out of the bet. But maybe he'll surprise me.
After all, 1000 BTC is a lot of money and I'm willing to put it up against BFL hardware so long as Tom is willing to define "competitive." Seems easy enough for him to do, but we'll see.
I'm tired of arguing the power issue with people who have zero understanding of the economics of mining. Anyone with even a modicum of sense would wonder what the heck Tom is hiding by not releasing any estimated power usages or defining "competitive." Transparency my lily white butt hah.
After all, 1000 BTC is a lot of money and I'm willing to put it up against BFL hardware so long as Tom is willing to define "competitive." Seems easy enough for him to do, but we'll see.
I'm tired of arguing the power issue with people who have zero understanding of the economics of mining. Anyone with even a modicum of sense would wonder what the heck Tom is hiding by not releasing any estimated power usages or defining "competitive." Transparency my lily white butt hah.
You did decline the bet by not accepting the listed terms, and changing the terms to give yourself more leverage. It's very simple, if someone offers you a, and you say, "I don't want a, I want b", then you declined a.
Meanwhile, you broke your own pool again.
Also, you're still acting like a douche-nozzle. You still seem to not understand that based on previous records alone, most people are far more trusting of Tom than BFL. And you are certainly not improving the overall view of BFL's reputation by continuing to post the same damn question over and over, and insulting those who have a divergent opinion than your own.
Tom, please refund Inaba any and all monies paid for the pre-order of bASIC devices. This way he will not longer be a "concerned customer" and will simply be a paid by BFL troll.
October 19, 2012, 10:31:57 AM
(q) Big News Release?
(a) as I have stated before our new website is due to launch any day now (or so the web dev guys keep telling me) when we do launch the new site I have a big news release coming that will include
* Board Dimensions for both the 54Gh/s and 27Gh/s models
* Quantity of ASIC chips on board
* Speed of each chip
* Size of ASIC chip on board
* BGA Package Type
* Cooling details
*** possibly graphic renders if the engineers can get me them in time.
Tom
(a) as I have stated before our new website is due to launch any day now (or so the web dev guys keep telling me) when we do launch the new site I have a big news release coming that will include
* Board Dimensions for both the 54Gh/s and 27Gh/s models
* Quantity of ASIC chips on board
* Speed of each chip
* Size of ASIC chip on board
* BGA Package Type
* Cooling details
*** possibly graphic renders if the engineers can get me them in time.
Tom
Back to the topic.... You posted this about a week and a half ago. You've only got 5 weeks still your estimated shipping time. Do you have anything you can give us?
October 19, 2012, 10:31:00 AM
He's calling you out on your claims. Take the bet, and prove him wrong.
+1
Take the bet or shut up.
+111111
October 19, 2012, 10:28:09 AM
He's calling you out on your claims. Take the bet, and prove him wrong.
+1
Take the bet or shut up.
October 19, 2012, 10:23:39 AM
I did not decline the bet. We'll see if Tom has enough confidence in his hardware to make the bet. My guess is he'll chicken out and take the excuse of "You won't stay out of my thread" to back out of the bet. But maybe he'll surprise me.
You are wrong! The bet was not about bASIC power requirement, ONLY about BFL's claim. Don't mix things... He's calling you out on your claims. Take the bet, and prove him wrong. Then, if you want to nitpick about his terms and "competitiveness", make a separate bet in another thread.
October 19, 2012, 10:20:45 AM
... so long as Tom is willing to define "competitive." Seems easy enough for him to do, but we'll see.
srsly?
October 19, 2012, 10:19:40 AM
I did not decline the bet. We'll see if Tom has enough confidence in his hardware to make the bet. My guess is he'll chicken out and take the excuse of "You won't stay out of my thread" to back out of the bet. But maybe he'll surprise me.
You are wrong! The bet was not about bASIC power requirement, ONLY about BFL's claim. Don't mix things...
October 19, 2012, 10:18:32 AM
October 19, 2012, 10:13:53 AM
I did not decline the bet. We'll see if Tom has enough confidence in his hardware to make the bet. My guess is he'll chicken out and take the excuse of "You won't stay out of my thread" to back out of the bet. But maybe he'll surprise me.
After all, 1000 BTC is a lot of money and I'm willing to put it up against BFL hardware so long as Tom is willing to define "competitive." Seems easy enough for him to do, but we'll see.
I'm tired of arguing the power issue with people who have zero understanding of the economics of mining. Anyone with even a modicum of sense would wonder what the heck Tom is hiding by not releasing any estimated power usages or defining "competitive." Transparency my lily white butt hah.
After all, 1000 BTC is a lot of money and I'm willing to put it up against BFL hardware so long as Tom is willing to define "competitive." Seems easy enough for him to do, but we'll see.
I'm tired of arguing the power issue with people who have zero understanding of the economics of mining. Anyone with even a modicum of sense would wonder what the heck Tom is hiding by not releasing any estimated power usages or defining "competitive." Transparency my lily white butt hah.
October 19, 2012, 09:44:03 AM
More and more everyday, Inaba's behaviour on forums represents bad advertising for BFL as an organization. "Weasel words" doesn't quite cover it.
October 19, 2012, 08:52:48 AM
Trolling from Inaba aside.
Tom's transparency and track record with the MMQ made it an easy choice for me.
When BFL FPGA Singles hit the market I was considering to order a few but hesitated as my GPU's were making me quite a nice profit,
after hearing about the extremly long shipping time at the beginning I decided against it.
Now with ASIC's hitting the market it was an all-in or GTFO decision for me.
Suffice to say, bASIC's were the clear choice.
Better track record, active involvment of the community, supreme customer service and a friendly go-to guy.
I couldn't care less about power consumption up there, I personally expect Tom will ship before or atleast at the same time with BFL
and as someone mentioned, with ASIC's launching time is what counts.
just my 2 satoshis,
have a nice day, props to you Tom, even tough this thread gets derailed and trolled every so often, you're representing a business in a forum how it should be done.
Tom's transparency and track record with the MMQ made it an easy choice for me.
When BFL FPGA Singles hit the market I was considering to order a few but hesitated as my GPU's were making me quite a nice profit,
after hearing about the extremly long shipping time at the beginning I decided against it.
Now with ASIC's hitting the market it was an all-in or GTFO decision for me.
Suffice to say, bASIC's were the clear choice.
Better track record, active involvment of the community, supreme customer service and a friendly go-to guy.
I couldn't care less about power consumption up there, I personally expect Tom will ship before or atleast at the same time with BFL
and as someone mentioned, with ASIC's launching time is what counts.
just my 2 satoshis,
have a nice day, props to you Tom, even tough this thread gets derailed and trolled every so often, you're representing a business in a forum how it should be done.
+1
October 19, 2012, 08:36:34 AM
New website to launch today?
October 19, 2012, 08:33:48 AM
As I have more than 5 units pre-ordered from Tom's site, I would to see them shipping out ASAP. I have a been marketing their products in my town for the few weeks and really hope to get ASIC mining soon.
October 19, 2012, 08:21:52 AM
Tom, just focus on your product and customers.
+1
Inaba declined your bet. We'll find out soon enough which one is more power efficient.
October 19, 2012, 08:08:07 AM
Wow, what a mess.
Tom,
I suggest starting a new thread for your product. Maybe you can just condense the info here into an initial starting post and go from there.
Unfortunately this derailment overshadows your great product and customer service.
bASIC will ship as soon as possible, some of us will be working directly to make that happen.
As many here have stated, power is bullshet when it comes to ASIC. Josh is accurate in stating power efficiency in absolute terms allows a device to remain "competitive" longer. Now as Josh stated earlier though, what is "competitive" ? Making $10 more per month in 3 years ?
Any sound economic analysis shows that capital cost is the most important factor in these devices. You can't just isolate marginal profitability years down the road as a determining factor. No reasonable business person would base a decision on that principle.
Tom, just focus on your product and customers.
Tom,
I suggest starting a new thread for your product. Maybe you can just condense the info here into an initial starting post and go from there.
Unfortunately this derailment overshadows your great product and customer service.
bASIC will ship as soon as possible, some of us will be working directly to make that happen.
As many here have stated, power is bullshet when it comes to ASIC. Josh is accurate in stating power efficiency in absolute terms allows a device to remain "competitive" longer. Now as Josh stated earlier though, what is "competitive" ? Making $10 more per month in 3 years ?
Any sound economic analysis shows that capital cost is the most important factor in these devices. You can't just isolate marginal profitability years down the road as a determining factor. No reasonable business person would base a decision on that principle.
Tom, just focus on your product and customers.
October 19, 2012, 07:38:26 AM
BTW two weeks until BFL mass shipments (end of Oct / beginning of Nov), so the first devices are already on your table. That should be save money. Or it's not that save which means no device on the table and no mass shippments within two weeks...
If they're actually going to ship when they said they were he should just be able to post shots of one of their prototype boards plugged in and hashing away 
October 19, 2012, 07:29:19 AM
I guess Inaba can't accept the bet on the merits of BFL's products alone.
October 19, 2012, 06:01:30 AM
Let me put it this way. You refuse an easy 1000 BTC win (per your words) because you disagree on minor details like voluntarily leaving this thread? Wow.
Maybe it's not an easy win at all and he's trying to wiggle out of it?
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