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I AM A SCAMMER
We are paying out consistently for around 4 months now - www.cloudmining.website/payments.php

4 months out of 12 months contracts. You have yet to completely fulfil a single contract.

But, the reality is, people who invested early, has already made ROI. You dont need to take my word for that. Verify it from an independent source...



Source: http://www.cmmonitor.com/24-cloudmining-website.html

But, there will always be some whacking complainers... like the moon has its dark patches too Smiley
hero member
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There are some very good reasons (like this one) why I am asking for comprehensive information.


Are you claiming that you own this address ?
hero member
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This sushi guy is just some scam garbage fishing around for some fraud to pull. It has to start a new account for this because of the stench from its other scam accounts. Don´t waste time on it.
It is obvious that this is not his first account. Do you happen to know what was his previous accounts then?

Take your pick. Those obsessive-compulsive fruitcakes all sound pretty much the same to me.
newbie
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This sushi guy is just some scam garbage fishing around for some fraud to pull. It has to start a new account for this because of the stench from its other scam accounts. Don´t waste time on it.

Oh, there it is already… the foul-language syndrome which always comes up when suspicious people start feeling stepped on their toes. As for the baseless, implied accusations: I am pretty sure the admins here are able to track down such abuse of their system, as they are able to learn my identity pretty quickly if they need to. See, I don’t really hide my identity in the backend like most. (yes, I’m looking at you)  Grin

Anyway, let’s keep it on-topic: cloudMining.website

My personal research failed to show that “cloudMining.website” is run an officially registered company, nor did my requests here result in any related information proving me wrong. I definitely regard that to be a clear negative, which voids trust. The use of foul language doesn’t build any trust either. Instead, it merely confirms initial suspicions. (Besides, I’ve never seen suspected socket puppets point to themselves this quickly and in such a clear way before they were even asked. Congrats! Makes it easier for everyone to follow the who-is-who. Cheesy)

Looking at the fact “cloudMining.website” also failed to provide proof-of-hardware, or a track record older than 4 months – which would at least provide proof to their mining operation history – I have very strong doubts that they have any mining capability as they try to imply. It’s even more suspicious when you realize that not a single coin generation address has been published here in the thread, and not a single solved block has been pointed to. We all know that anyone can create payouts from bitcoin received from investors, which is why scammers always try to point to “payouts” instead of “solved blocks”… because solved blocks are not that easy to claim (just like they are not that easy to mine). That’s why real miners don’t point to payouts – real miners point to solved blocks!

From my personal point of view and unless proven wrong with hard facts, “cloudMining.website” seems to be one of the lamest scams I’ve seen in the last months. Nothing new, nothing creative… just the usual ponzi-powered bitcoin mining investment scheme we’ve all seen several times before. The “friendly communication” by the self-outed “support team” merely underlines the negative impression.

But you don’t have to limit yourself by only relying on my personal impression. After all, others came to an alike conclusion long before me:


Roll Eyes

Nota Bene: If you are one of those people who are new to investing in bitcoin and you don’t really know which warning signs to look out for, please educate yourself before investing your precious money where you shouldn’t be investing it… https://i.imgur.com/k7u0drN.jpg

Case closed. ■
legendary
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This sushi guy is just some scam garbage fishing around for some fraud to pull. It has to start a new account for this because of the stench from its other scam accounts. Don´t waste time on it.
It is obvious that this is not his first account. Do you happen to know what was his previous accounts then?
legendary
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Expect us...


As an aside, that sounds like a quote from the Anonymous group: “We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us. I sure hope your business is a bit more trustworthy than a random anonymous crowd!


Are you crazy ? U r calling Anonymous group a random anonymous crowd! Forget Cloud Mining. They are more trustworthy than your most beloved bitcoin company, whatever or whoever it is...
hero member
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This sushi guy is just some scam garbage fishing around for some fraud to pull. It has to start a new account for this because of the stench from its other scam accounts. Don´t waste time on it.
newbie
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If we disclose our identity we will immediately be open to multiple grey areas of taxation. Moreover, we will need to have KYC from all our customers as we are creating money. This would no go well with our client base.

I hope you aren’t telling me you’re also in the business of “tax evasion”?!  

Let’s simply cut the chit-chat and put some serious facts on the table: Where can investors find your business registration, your public company records, and/or your taxation numbers?

We did not register this domain. We purchased it. Our operation was running well before 2014, but for private investors. We opened for public only with this domain.

You’re telling me you bought this domain after it was freshly registered by someone else? That doesn’t really make sense as it’s missing a logic reason why you could have decided to do so…

Domain Name: CLOUDMINING.WEBSITE
Domain ID: D6073859-CNIC
WHOIS Server: whois.namecheap.com
Updated Date: 2014-10-19T22:57:16.0Z
Creation Date: 2014-10-14T22:45:10.0Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2015-10-14T23:59:59.0Z


Maybe you would like to rephrase your initial answer?

Our online operation is not as resource intensive as to maintain a dedicated server. We dont have any hot wallet either, so there is no security risk. Why should we spend on something that is not required ?

If your online operation is not as resource intensive as to maintain a dedicated server… can you prove you actually own any mining hardware and the appropriate network connections? After all, you claim to be in the cloud-mining business and one thing is for sure: cloud mining IS resource intensive when it comes to Proof Of Work cryptocurrencies! If it weren’t resource intensive, there wouldn’t be a business for a cloud-mining business and no one would rent a dedicated server just to run much simpler things like a full node or a up-to-256-users mining pool. Also, everyone knows network latency can be a mining-income killer and without dedicated network connections, I can’t imagine how someone would be able to achieve any real profit at current BTC/USD levels due to electricity costs, maintenance costs, etc.

Constructive suggestion: As proof that you are indeed running your own cloud-mining hardware, I would already be satisfied with a simple photo of one of your employees standing in front of your mining rigs/equipment, holding up a piece of paper with “Proof by bitcoin1985” written on it.

Such proof would throw a truckload of doubts and questions overboard (not only for me, but probably also for many people here too). Additionally, it would obviously establish a big chunk of business credibility and trust… costing you not more than a fraction of your effort.

None of those domains are owned by us. They might be hosted on the same server as that is how shared hosting works. Can you please tell us how did you reach the conclusion that those are ours ?

Make no mistake – I sure know how shared hosting works, just like I know how to check on sites and servers that think cloudflare is if a magic wand that makes them invisible.

Besides… as you might have noticed, I did not write that I reached any related conclusion. I merely asked (quote) “What relationship do you have to those domains?” That does not imply anything. Before drawing any conclusions at my side of the table, I would first like to give you the chance to answer all my questions openly, honestly, and to the fullest.


All of your Qs have been answered in the quote. If we were a Ponzi, we would have collapsed by now like most of the services that started with us, but does not exist anymore. We are paying out consistently for around 4 months now - …e/payments.php

Actually ”no”, they were not answered. All you did was evading most of my questions and raising some more while you were at it. Let me just quote one of my questions that you didn’t really answer in a satisfiable way: “Does that mean you do not have any track record before October 2014?”

I still would like to get a definite answer to that, as well as a pointer to a pre-October’14 track record showing your mining efforts and achieved profits at times where the BTC/USD ratio hadn’t collapsed towards the current +/- 200 level. Also, some chart material showing your company efforts and profits during the past year would come handy.


Expect us...


As an aside, that sounds like a quote from the Anonymous group: “We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us. I sure hope your business is a bit more trustworthy than a random anonymous crowd!

Anyway, I’ll gladly take you by the word and expect you to answer my questions exhaustively for a change.

To be sure you understand them correctly, I’ll rephrase my questions a bit…

  • Assuming you are a business, what is the reason for you to hide behind a WhoIs privacy protection service? (Note that tax-evasion is no good reason, as that does not protect you from governmental analysis.)
  • Up until now, I can not detect any track record before October 2014. Where can I take a look at some company records to see how profitable you were be able to multiply investments before October 2014?
  • You confirmed your “business” does not run it’s own dedicated server, but you failed to explain how you – as a cloud mining company – are able to actually handle mining without an appropriate server infrastructure. Could you answer that part too?
  • As you state to have no relationship to the other websites and domains on the shared server you’re using, are there any other domains and/or websites you’re running? It would be nice if you would not answer in an evasive way and simple be open about that… that is, unless you think you’ve got something to hide. In that case, I would already be satisfied if you would merely post the first 3 letters of the related domains. I’m asking you to do this, to see if you are completely honest with us. Assuming you are, providing what I asked for should not be too much of an issue.

Please take your time to think about those questions before answering.

That is, if you expect some (very capable) investors to put more than a hand full of bitcoins on your table. So, don’t get me wrong – even when my questions appear to be rather critical. There are some very good reasons (like this one) why I am asking for comprehensive information.

Based upon the fact that you stated you once started out with private investors, I’m pretty sure you understand why I am asking what I ask. Now it’s up to you to provide the necessary information. Time is money, don’t waste it.

Looking forward to your reply…
legendary
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LoLz... I am an investor here.

So your goal is to promote this ponzi so that you can make a profit off of other suckers investors.
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I can connect and made actions but the site is very slow
hero member
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Please explain how you think this blackmailing thing works? What leverage do you think any of us have over these (anonymous!) scammers to force them in to paying us all their "mining" revenue?

I´m totally done reading these people or communicating with them in any way whatsoever. And that´s forever. I see their empty posts and that´s all.
legendary
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Please explain how you think this blackmailing thing works? What leverage do you think any of us have over these (anonymous!) scammers to force them in to paying us all their "mining" revenue?
hero member
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I don´t need some bloody blackmailing mental cases to tell me every freakin day how screwed I am supposed to be by this or that company. Maybe the social services are less than developed in whichever shithole these fruitcakes reside or perhaps they post from the institution. At any rate at some point you get tired of these obsessive-compulsive cases.
hero member
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You are jumping around uninvited from Page 2 and OP is not deleting any of your trolling.

Who invited you here?

And please stop misusing the word trolling. I'm not trolling now, just like I wasn't trolling in the PBmining thread before that ponzi collapsed.

LoLz... I am an investor here. Not an uninvited prophet giving out free lecture to investors.
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You are jumping around uninvited from Page 2 and OP is not deleting any of your trolling.

Who invited you here?

And please stop misusing the word trolling. I'm not trolling now, just like I wasn't trolling in the PBmining thread before that ponzi collapsed.
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I dont wanna pick up another fight regarding Ponzi or Not. IMO, if it were a Ponzi, it would have blown by now because of the low rate they are selling from beginning.

"PBmining would have collapsed by now if it were a ponzi" - every idiot who invested in that ponzi.

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That is not my concern though. What I have learnt from their forum, that they used to map different contracts to different mining blocks before. Hence, we used to see, different mining results by different miners.

That's not how mining works.

Pretending this isn't a ponzi, they could easily distribute mining earnings fairly between all gh holders like every other cloudmining website.

In reality they are just lowering payments for the people who stopped putting money into the ponzi. (remember ponzi's collapse when payments in < payments out)

Not sure why I'm saying "they", because you (germangiant, russianrainbow, spanishsoldier) are obviously the scammer running this ponzi.

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Rather than fighting here take a small piece of advice from my end. Get a new contract @ their new rates. These are paying exceptionally well. I got this notion from a discussion at their forum and it has worked. This is how your old investments will get covered. Decision is yours. Over to you...

Yes, of course it makes sense to invest more money into the ponzi that arbitrarily reduces your payouts to dust. They totally won't do fuck you over this time, they promise.

LoLz... Plz give us a break. Your 5 man (or Alt) army made of U, Puppet, Mr. Teal, Mabshark and Ruskul have not probably left a single page untouched since the beginning of this topic. You are jumping around uninvited from Page 2 and OP is not deleting any of your trolling. Its you, for whom the real investors in this company could not have a proper discussion in this thread. After Page 1, Page 33 is probably the first one where the people who are actually mining here could discuss something. On the contrary, Puppet is deleting any counter opinion from his HaveLock promotional 101 thread. Galdur correctly explained your motive...

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One thing is filing a complaint, another is accusing a company of being a ponzi, and randomly trashing its reputation when no harm was done; and even worse - non customers randomly trashing a business around and ruining its reputation - thats sabotage.

Keep doing what you are doing and you will end up with a self fulfilling prophecy, roaming around forums and posting false acusations on a business will destroy its reputation and scare away customers, and this will ultimatelly kill the business, it dies and yes if it died it must be a scam... sheesh

You have got 30+ pages to express your opinion. Now, please stay off and let the real investors discuss their matter...

p.s. If I were the OP as per your allegation, I'd have kicked you out from Day 1.
legendary
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We are paying out consistently for around 4 months now - www.cloudmining.website/payments.php

4 months out of 12 months contracts. You have yet to completely fulfil a single contract.
hero member
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I dont wanna pick up another fight regarding Ponzi or Not. IMO, if it were a Ponzi, it would have blown by now because of the low rate they are selling from beginning.

"PBmining would have collapsed by now if it were a ponzi" - every idiot who invested in that ponzi.

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That is not my concern though. What I have learnt from their forum, that they used to map different contracts to different mining blocks before. Hence, we used to see, different mining results by different miners.

That's not how mining works.

Pretending this isn't a ponzi, they could easily distribute mining earnings fairly between all gh holders like every other cloudmining website.

In reality they are just lowering payments for the people who stopped putting money into the ponzi. (remember ponzi's collapse when payments in < payments out)

Not sure why I'm saying "they", because you (germangiant, russianrainbow, spanishsoldier) are obviously the scammer running this ponzi.

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Rather than fighting here take a small piece of advice from my end. Get a new contract @ their new rates. These are paying exceptionally well. I got this notion from a discussion at their forum and it has worked. This is how your old investments will get covered. Decision is yours. Over to you...

Yes, of course it makes sense to invest more money into the ponzi that arbitrarily reduces your payouts to dust. They totally won't do fuck you over this time, they promise.
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    Just a few short questions:


    • As a cloud-mining business (assuming you are a business), what is the reason for you to hide behind a WhoIs privacy protection service?
    - If we disclose our identity we will immediately be open to multiple grey areas of taxation. Moreover, we will need to have KYC from all our customers as we are creating money. This would no go well with our client base.

    • Your domain was registered on October 14, 2014. Does that mean you do not have any track record before October 2014?
    - We did not register this domain. We purchased it. Our operation was running well before 2014, but for private investors. We opened for public only with this domain.

    • Your website is hosted on a shared hosting server. How come your “business” does not run it’s own dedicated server? After all, one would expect a cloud mining company to have a complete server infrastructure and not just a website on a shared server…
    - Our online operation is not as resource intensive as to maintain a dedicated server. We dont have any hot wallet either, so there is no security risk. Why should we spend on something that is not required ?

    • Other domains on the shared hosting server you use are – among others – “alphadata.ir”, “kingmoviez2.ir”, “[Suspicious link removed]”, and “rd.to”. What relationship do you have to those domains?
    - None of those domains are owned by us. They might be hosted on the same server as that is how shared hosting works. Can you please tell us how did you reach the conclusion that those are ours ?

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    I’m asking, because all those things typically points to ponzi schemes, and I would like to be able to differ your operation from such schemes. After all, we’re talking money here and not knowing who we’re dealing with doesn’t really provide trust… I’m sure you understand.

    All of your Qs have been answered in the quote. If we were a Ponzi, we would have collapsed by now like most of the services that started with us, but does not exist anymore. We are paying out consistently for around 4 months now - www.cloudmining.website/payments.php

    Don't even think that someone will answer..

    Honestly, I don’t really expect them to.  Grin

    In fact, my questions rather aim to provide a heads-up for newcomers who stumble into this thread. Somewhat like a “I can’t protect you, but I can ask the questions you should be asking before even thinking about sending your money into the voids.”

    Expect us...


    All? Whats with the low btc/ghs?.
    sr. member
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    Just a few short questions:


    • As a cloud-mining business (assuming you are a business), what is the reason for you to hide behind a WhoIs privacy protection service?
    - If we disclose our identity we will immediately be open to multiple grey areas of taxation. Moreover, we will need to have KYC from all our customers as we are creating money. This would no go well with our client base.

    • Your domain was registered on October 14, 2014. Does that mean you do not have any track record before October 2014?
    - We did not register this domain. We purchased it. Our operation was running well before 2014, but for private investors. We opened for public only with this domain.

    • Your website is hosted on a shared hosting server. How come your “business” does not run it’s own dedicated server? After all, one would expect a cloud mining company to have a complete server infrastructure and not just a website on a shared server…
    - Our online operation is not as resource intensive as to maintain a dedicated server. We dont have any hot wallet either, so there is no security risk. Why should we spend on something that is not required ?

    • Other domains on the shared hosting server you use are – among others – “alphadata.ir”, “kingmoviez2.ir”, “[Suspicious link removed]”, and “rd.to”. What relationship do you have to those domains?
    - None of those domains are owned by us. They might be hosted on the same server as that is how shared hosting works. Can you please tell us how did you reach the conclusion that those are ours ?

    [/list]

    I’m asking, because all those things typically points to ponzi schemes, and I would like to be able to differ your operation from such schemes. After all, we’re talking money here and not knowing who we’re dealing with doesn’t really provide trust… I’m sure you understand.

    All of your Qs have been answered in the quote. If we were a Ponzi, we would have collapsed by now like most of the services that started with us, but does not exist anymore. We are paying out consistently for around 4 months now - www.cloudmining.website/payments.php

    Don't even think that someone will answer..

    Honestly, I don’t really expect them to.  Grin

    In fact, my questions rather aim to provide a heads-up for newcomers who stumble into this thread. Somewhat like a “I can’t protect you, but I can ask the questions you should be asking before even thinking about sending your money into the voids.”

    Expect us...
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