Topic: HoboNickels - HBN - High Fast Stake - Version 2.0! More Secure, Less Intensive - page 65. (Read 478852 times)

Looking at the explorer Stake Input Size for the last 1000 blocks there seem to be a great many stakes under 20 HBN
so these must be creating plenty of failed stakes.

Before I looked I was under the impression that stakes below this would be at a minimum due to auto combining etc

yup ... Obvious now I think about it.

Should we consider a mandatory minimum block size to stake? or alter default split / combine thresholds
If say it was 20 HBN and even (I mean when ) HBN was $0.05 (actually a nickel) then that would represent a dollar stake
which sounds pretty fair, right now it's ~10cents

There is a wallet out there staking 2HBN a pop and could well have 27000 blocks we only has space for 2880 a day
Wallets like that produce a lot of the spam that's going to become an issue.
I'M producing a LOT of spam but will be doing the recombining thing shortly.

good to see Tranz back at this coin i will buy some again

The wallet does combine automatically.
The rules are:
 - same address
 - the input is at max time (30 Days)
 - It won't put you past the 250 max reward
 - and a few others.

I will update the main post, but they compile from the main depo, which has the most current version. I let them know that.  Feel free to open a ticket, it may help.


The issue of many blocks coming in from the outside also slow down wallet. Ala block spamming with 30 second  block time..

Yeah did the same with block sizes and always wondered what the fuss was about. But ... I'm experiencing how grim it CAN get. probably an extreme case I'll admit
I'm actually having to restart the wallet every now and then as transactions just start pending as offline and successful stakes are ~ 1:100

I imagine its got something to do with memory management and other things going on on my PC along with a couple of thousand blocks trying to stake at once.
Block numbers get out of hand fast if you're lazy so dug my own hole over here to some extent.

I don't really have these problems with orphans... I get some... but because I manually keep my blocks around 8-9k I don't see the shit ton that everyone complains about.  My only complaint is that it's not done automatically, ala how paycon worked when we were having fun with our favorite soon to be jailbird Homero...  small blocks gets combined through the wallet software.  It's not the 30s, although that's not exactly what I was talking about when I said you shouldn't futz with the coin basics... I was talking more along with the increasing stake or whatever... the more you let loose on inflation the worse the coin will be.

EDIT:  Oh and if you haven't already can you put the new wallet link in the first post... that's probably what is taking the exchange so long to update...

This is experimental software

On the subject of increased block times I'm more in favour of accepting that a block chain of this age and size proves these short blocks are a bit of a busted flush.

There are / will be other ways to implement high speed high volume transactions but that's not what HBN's challenge is.

If there is a sound reason for change ( I believe there is here) don't be afraid of change for the better. It's change for change sake that's the enemy.

More important to maintain the economics of reward per investment (I.e. up the reward cap  by same factor ... pweeeese ).

Also are we not still trying to be the solution to some of the early crypto issues of flash mining, pool hopping and all that stuff I can't quite remember the details of
in my old cryptohobo addled brain.

Ohhhh ORPHANS and broken stratum rings a bell aaaargh the heell of it all.
lets keep that pioneering spirit up.

yeah .. I've had a beer

Actually this would not be necessary. The chance of getting to 250 woudl be less with longer block times, due to increase in difficulty.


Fair enough, we can wait until block 6.0million and see what happens once PoW leaves us.

I still feel like 30 seconds is way too fast. The original creator of the coin did not understand the implications of 30 seconds, and for the last few years the biggest complaints are CPU usage, wallet lag, orphans and lot of memory usage. All of which are exacerbated due to 30 second or faster block time.

I hope not... don't screw with the basics of the coin... it is what it is and it's why the coin isn't being de-listed or valued at .00000001btc... or worse... dodge...

On the exchange side of things, cryptopia will take their sweet time getting around to updating as they always do... but as long as we're using the coin they'll keep it... even at 2.23GB of memory...

You already have a solution for the problems you listed, so just go ahead and implement it. I dont think you'll get better sollutions.

Only if you have to re-scan or re-sync the block chain.  It takes longer for wallets that are larger.  It also does slightly increase memory usage as you have more transactions. 

Out of interest does the number of transactions in a wallet have any effect on efficiency?

I do agree with this to an extent. However I think the most transactions that have been in a block for HBN have been like 10... We will likely never even get close to capacity.. 90 seconds is still very quick..

 Any tendency to increase block time, for any reason, is probably a mistake. As coins get more popular, they will start making shorter and shorter block times to be more attractive as currencies. Longer block times are penny wise pound foolish in this case.

Orphans are caused by lots of things. For HBN the reasons are many, but not without solutions.

1) 30 Second block time. This is very hard to get a block transmitted around the world in 30 seconds. ALso each block times CPU and time to process, which cause GUI and Staking lag.
2) PoW and PoS which effectively changes the block time to 20 seconds or lower.
3) Low difficultly with a lot of coins and a lot of hash out there. This allows people to generate many blocks very very quickly. Which can cause the network issues while everyone is catching up.
4) Staking efficiency.


To fix these here is what we can do.

1) We need to talk about changing the block time to something a bit longer. I am thinking 90 seconds.
2) PoW is going to be slowed down and eventually effectively eliminated.  So this will help
3) This will be fixed with #2 and #1.
4) This is in progress right now and I am hoping to have it released in version 1.5.5

I am going to commit version 1.5.4 tonight. It will contain some malleability fixes and adds the ability to watch and report on other address that you do not own. Usually referred to as Watch Only. So you can use it to watch all of you wallets in 1 place, or spy on a large address to watch what is going on. 

It required by Feb 2018, which is approx when all of the forks, whatever the happen to be, will take place. Those not in version 1.5.3 that is.

I've had a 4k block orphan 11 times in the past 12 hours, so not necessarily due to "many small blocks"..

Yeah me too but started to feel guilty about not holding up the network so decided to let thinks take a natural course.
I think I have found the red line.

tbh I keep my blocks at 9k all the time. safes me alot of headache...

Bit of an orphan fest right now?

Either 1.5.3 or the fact I have let my stakes run down to many small blocks this time around. The hit rate is 5 stakes / 105 orphans overnight

New client did struggle a bit to get in sync and stay there - last block time is laggy but I'm not sure that isn't just GUI update lag
POS block info window seems very shy these days.

I'll get a transaction stuck on 1 confirm for 5-10 mins and then suddenly 24 confirms and a bunch of stakes go orphan with it.

Also seems to be behaving worse @ 1.6GB ram usage than @ 2GB

Are we are waiting this out for block 5.6M?


.. wow this is like going to the doctor. In the time taken to type this a flurry of confirmed Stakes arrives

I informed them there was a wallet update, and they needed to upgrade before September. They immediately took the wallet down.  And haven't updated to 1.5.3 yet. It takes about 5 min to compile and change the executable. So I have no idea why it has been such a delay. They said the are super busy with updates to the site due to the demand and would get to it within a week.   

Does anyone know what heppen with cryptopia wallet?