Topic: Homosexuality is caused by being molested - page 10. (Read 13089 times)

No that is not what I'm saying.

I just pointed out gaps in your reasoning.  You can take my comment use it or ignore it.

You should ask the above questions to a sample of straight people and then you can compare the results.

And how to explain gay people from happy families with no "environmental" (your list) impact that are gay?

Kids know they are gay by the time they are 7-10 years old so your abuse would have to happen early in their life.
That is a lot of abuse as we have so many gay people.  It is a big job even for clergy in the Catholic church.

ARE YOU JOKING A HUMAN BRAIN IS WAY MORE SENSITIVE THAN ANYTHING ON THIS PLANET
WE WILL FEEL STRESS MORE THAN ANYTHING .

Look at when you call someone a name the stress it can cause some people?
 and some people will just tell you to go away?handle it better?

 the point is if you stress a plant out it changes sexuality ?
now my point is could it be the same for humans?

You say no because we have evolved to much to act like a plant? i say your so wrong?
ITS JUST A THEORY but a very good one

OH i asked my girlfriend her son is gay i brought him up since he was 5  he is now 19 and i always new he would turn out gay 90% sure
He come out the closet about 6 weeks ago .. but because he new i was ok about the situation he had no problem telling us with no shame..And he lives a nice life no stress no worries is friend are straight and still love him..
Now i asked her today did you ever argue or have a bad birth with your child
and she said yes she was always arguing with her ex and she had a bad birth they had to break his legs to get the child out?

Now her sisters son is gay she as the 1 child and her husband could not except he was gay there was murder in the house over the situation blaming each others family come from your side..

So i said to my girlfriend did your sister ever have stress with the baby or been arguing

THIS IS WHAT SHE SAID
Her sister tried to suffocate him when he was a baby..wow wow wow true story..
She had PMS.
that kid is now gay and the mum and dad have never had gay thoughts..

So it seems funny to me COULD IT BE STRESS?

Looks to me like are using Arab backward logic and have no real education in classic Greek scientific thinkning which has built the modern world.

Perhaps you should start with understanding some basics such as;
1. statistical correlation,
2. cause and effect,
3. genetic influences versus environmental stressors,
4. human psychology.

I suppose you could test that theory by looking at the most stressful occupations and comparing it to the rate of homosexuality...

Though, I highly doubt you will find any correlation

Hollar back when you have some evidence to support your hypothesis

No that is not what I'm saying.  Because we are result of evolution, our system inherits the best of the best from all other living organisms that existed before us.
Our bodies handle stress way better, can accommodate a wider range of stressful stimuli without causing permanent change.  It is more flexible and more immune to stress than plants for example.  Probably has "memory" and can recall previous stressful events, adapt and respond differently.

Plants have primitive response that is visible and much easier to detect and study.  This is what you observed.
Although it is tempting to extrapolate this result to animals, but you really cannot do that because these are apples and oranges.

What you see in plants is an eureka moment I understand.  Many people who study evolution come to the same conclusion: all life is related.  We inherited bits and pieces from all living organisms (living and extinct).

 

HUMANS ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN A PLANT
HUMANS ARE NOTHING SPECIAL ITS JUST YOU SEEM TO THINK WE ARE..

So your saying animals don't get stressed your saying plants don't get stressed ?

The trouble with you .your trying to prove me wrong when i know Iam right.. lets look at the facts yes
please gay people admit this.. as your life ever been stressful

bullied
molested
bad birth I.E mum struggled while carrying or  problem at birth smoking in the womb drinking in the womb
mum dad arguing a lot
no parents
in jail no women around sexual frustration ..I.E STRESS
in the army no women around sexual frustration ..I.E STRESS
sailor. no women around sexual frustration ..I.E STRESS
raped
no father figure
mum dad always shouting at you when child
dad always picking on your mum growing up watching it

now 90% of gays will say that 1 of those problems has happened to them to turn them gay?
many problems can happen in the womb

so how much stress? all related to stress?
SO NOW WE KNOW ITS NOT A GENE ITS STRESS AND YES IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOUR CHILD
FROM THE WOMB TILL YOU DIE..

So in theory anyone can turn gay at any point in life?
Always remember people cope with stress better than others? but just could it be stress that makes you gay?



 

SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS ANIMALS DON'T FEEL STRESS?

Where am I wrong?  I never were said humans (or any other apes) are special in any way.  We are mammals like any other.  More complicated, able to think in abstract
terms, use tools, but we are essentially smarter chimpanzees. Almost identical DNA, same internal organs, equipped with a pump to circulate blood etc.

I said that we are way more complicated than plants and can better handle stress.  And I gave you examples of where your argument (of interpolation) fails.

I'd expect plants response to stress to be more visible, pronounced and more permanent that a stress response in humans.

NO NO NO THIS AS BEEN MY ARGUMENT ALL ALONG. your so wrong..
When i go the beach i look at the lines in the sand and the plant life the human life i don't just splash in the sea.. I STUDY..WHY IS A ROCK A ROCK WHY IS THAT PLANT OVER THERE AND THAT ONES NOT..

WE HUMAN THINK WERE SOMETHING SPECIAL..
You are no different than a plant a frog a cow a dog? STUDY
look how plants behave look at animals how they behave germs all life is similar the way it acts.
just your lucky your a human but the process is the same for a human as a plant?
Eat and reproduce? I tell you a story..

One day i blew a dandelion and i was thinking WOW reminds me when we ejaculate..you blow the flower and the seeds spread every where to make new life ..just like when we ejaculate our semen ?

I also look at animals and they act no different than a human ..
So for you to say humans out grow other species actions is far from the truth?

Look at a bee the plant lets it have its semen the bee flies off and and makes another plant pregnant
so its made the bee do the work
same as an insect laying its eggs in another specie making another specie do the work.
and insect can act like a human the way they bring up there young?

You realize that control system in human body is way more complicated than that of a plant, right?  
Our stress handling mechanism is way more sophisticated thanks to millions of years of evolution.

Stress might affect your immune system and behavior (you might become more agitated or nervous for example) in short-term, it can cause long-term changes such as cancer if exposed to stress for way too long your body can handle.

But to suggest that stress of being molested (even if it was over an extended period of time) will lead you to change a sexual preference is a big leap of faith :-).

You'd need to have a large sample of gay people and see how many were molested.  If the rate is %80-90% you might draw that conclusion.  But if you're talking several gay guys, those are just gay guys who were molested, not straight guys who were molested and turned gay.

The fact that all other animals exhibit homosexual and bisexual behavior puts a big question mark on your conclusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Look at sheep, 1 out of 10 sheep is gay, 2 out of 10 are bisexual.  You think they were molested by a priest or a hockey coach?

Plants and Animals diverged a long long long long time ago.

How some plants respond to stimuli is not indicative of how some animals will respond to the same stimuli.

ITS STRESS  He is wrong my theory is right..
its not directed at you MR.. af_newbie the other guy

Plants become stressed they turn hermaphrodite

I HAVE SOLVED IT? The more and more i think about it the more it becomes a fact

look at plant life we are living organisms what does it say about plants they can be WHAT?

Gynodioecious: having hermaphrodite flowers and female flowers on separate plants. Gynoecious: having only female flowers (the female of a dioecious population); producing seed but not pollen. Gynomonoecious: having both bisexual and female flowers on the same plant

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_reproductive_morphology

I'm afraid your sample is way too small to draw any conclusions.

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A whack on the head is 1 blow bang its done..mental stress is not 1 blow it carries on.
when people have an accident the trauma is over because you know its an accident ..
when someone gets bullied it carries on and on in your head giving you stress every day..

Now lets say that bump on the head was caused by someone who done it to you on purpose and you know he going to do it again
would you not be more stressed out?

Lets look at another situation.. you climb on a wall fall of it and bang your head?
how will you feel? SORE yes. that is it SORE.

Now lets say someone is bulling you every day how will you feel ?

is falling off a wall worse or getting bullied ?  remember which situation will cause you more stress in the long run?

ITS JUST A THEORY?

Because when you stress plants out they turn hermaphrodite fact don't stress the plant out and it grows normal FACT
So could it happen to humans?

also there was a theory that being gay could be caused by stress at birth..
there was a documentary bbc1 years ago about the theory..

Think stress plays a role in many facets of who we are and become from the womb on wards and maybe earlier.
Homosexuality is most likely just a variant in the chain,like say being left handed.

There are examples of sexual abuse at a critical stage in ones development that change you but I have not heard of say a brain injury turning some one gay. May be wrong but never read anything like that and I would think a brain injury is a huge stress to the system.

Long as we except one another and live and let live we should be good.

There probably isn't a single cause but it really doesn't appear to be a choice.

Why would you think that stress is a most probably theory? If it doesn't have valid science behind it then you can't use probable with it as an adjective.

In some cases, there may be some hormones that impact sexual identity and sexual orientation in the womb.

I don't have a link, but there was a study done with dogs that showed when a female puppy was between two male puppies in the womb, she was more likely to have some behavioral traits associated with male dogs. I don't know if the reverse it true.

But the cause, whether genetic or hormonal or stress related doesn't really matter. Why should someone else's sexual identity or sexual orientation matter to you or anyone else?

Where is the peer reviewed research that backs up this hypothesis? What scientific journal was it published in?

After sitting down for a while I have been thinking a lot

TO ALL SCIENTIST NO SUCH THING AS THE GAY GENE ..FACT?..

MOST PROBABLE THEORY IS STRESS THAT COULD BE THE CAUSE?

Stress can be caused by many many many many situations?
from birth till you die stress can be caused?

HERE IS MY THEORY
When you stress plant life they turn into hermaphrodites if you don't stress the plants life they grow normal FACT.
And the fact its just another organism could it be so for humans.STRESS?

Think of all the situations humans face stress ?  it can start in the womb till the day you die?
No women around sexual stress..
 bullied stress..
mum and dad arguing stress for the child watching it
in the womb mum drinks unborn baby hang over stress..
Lack of parent hood stress
being molested stress
SO YOU SEE STRESS STRESS STRESS..

Years ago men would go into battle no women around for years ? Stress of battle plus the fact no women around sexual stress?
Sailors at sea for years on end sexual stress plus the fact they could die stress stress? turn gay?
and i bet before he went on that ship he thought he was normal?

Some people cope with stress better than others?

Now if it is stress that causes being gay then its normal in life for people to be gay because anyone can suffer from stress?
What you think on my theory ?