Honestly, which is better? Monero or Dash? - page 17.

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Quote from: ArticMine on December 21, 2015, 03:30:25 PM

Quote from: smooth on December 21, 2015, 03:00:13 PM

Quote from: DrkLvr_ on December 21, 2015, 02:52:27 PM

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Seems difficult huh?

busterzzz is making a valid point. The current official Monero binaries are over one year old, require over 9.2 GB of RAM, a 64bit processor and OS, and crash every few days. If one actually compiles from source then of course the situation is radically improved one actually gets a very lean, robust and efficient cli wallet that when synchronized requires approximately 100 MB of RAM. It also runs on both 32bit and 64 bit processors and operating systems.

Monero is a very actively developed coin where a major rewrite of the code has occurred over the last year, but in order to benefit from this one has to compile the code from source.

Edit: This is the real place to get Monero software; https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero

I probably shouldn't act in a passive aggressive manner I'm just over it (both parties involved). I would rather see discussion that is positive and collaborative. I've tried to express this before but got shot down.

Anyways I'm *going to attempt to compile monero from source again, as I am not that much of a layman I can give it a try using the link you pasted above. I will report back honestly and fairly because its best if I give this another go instead of giving up.

Divide and Conquer, some other group of people will come out on top while people sit here arguing about bs.

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Quote from: smooth on December 21, 2015, 03:00:13 PM

Quote from: DrkLvr_ on December 21, 2015, 02:52:27 PM

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Seems difficult huh?

I haven't looked at the details of this, but on the general conceptual point if there is any command line crap, then you are not going to get mainstream adoption.

Everything has to be dummy-proof. Meaning a dummy can't do it wrong even if they try to.

Perhaps Dash folks might be aspiring to the masses and they may have some astute insight into what is acceptable for such a market.

Dash doesn't have the sound technology to scale to millions of users on instant microtransactions in mass-scale. It would blow up.

I know how to program for dummies. I have marketed easy-as-pie software to millions of users. And I am preparing to do it again, this time in crypto currency. My marketing will address nuances that afaics no one else has in the crypto land.

So I think the Dash folks will find it irresistible to head over my way once I have a million users and Dash still only has some 100s of wide-eyed speculators.

But I understand they want to speak about what is available now, not what some guy is pumping out of his mouth.

Quote from: ArticMine on December 21, 2015, 03:30:25 PM

Monero is a very actively developed coin where a major rewrite of the code has occurred over the last year, but in order to benefit from this one has to compile the code from source.

My mind is blown! Do these monerotards have any clue about user friendliness! Compile binaries from source (my gf wouldn't have any clue what binaries and source are)! Are you fucking kidding. That is ridiculous beyond ridiculous.

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Quote from: smooth on December 21, 2015, 03:00:13 PM

Quote from: DrkLvr_ on December 21, 2015, 02:52:27 PM

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transfer

is optional, and you will get a reasonable default, so you can just

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transfer

Seems difficult huh?

busterzzz is making a valid point. The current official Monero binaries are over one year old, require over 9.2 GB of RAM, a 64bit processor and OS, and crash every few days. If one actually compiles from source then of course the situation is radically improved one actually gets a very lean, robust and efficient cli wallet that when synchronized requires approximately 100 MB of RAM. It also runs on both 32bit and 64 bit processors and operating systems.

Monero is a very actively developed coin where a major rewrite of the code has occurred over the last year, but in order to benefit from this one has to compile the code from source.

Edit: This is the real place to get Monero software; https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on December 20, 2015, 09:49:44 PM

Quote from: smooth on December 20, 2015, 09:42:47 PM

Actually now that I think about it, the ability of stakeholders to hard fork in PoS is pretty clear. That's another way the consensus of PoS is absolutely weaker than PoW.

Yeah that is also the point I made to CoinHoarder today. I added a link to that point to the [1] footnote in the post with the comparison table. Those links will serve as a summary reference for us on the PoS vs. PoW issue.

Smooth, monsterer, Blockstream et al, I wish some of you with more resources than me could working from the following links and produce a more coherent white paper better explaining the distinction between the security model of PoS vs. PoW:

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on December 20, 2015, 12:19:07 PM

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I can't do it any time soon. I realize my highly functional limit is about 8 hours a day on the computer. Any more than that and I am zombified and just wasting a lot time being 50% coherent and getting ill.

I've heard from numerous people that the computer monitor stimulates cortisol and accumulated damage (especially from resisting sleep and a tired mind) is devastating.

All of you who are younger than me, this might eventually catch up to you. Make sure you get your breaks off the computer and outside. Once you enter pathological neuro-degenerative disease, even simple things of daily life become difficult and life looses its happy and enjoying moments. Do not think you are Superman, because you are not. You are human.

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Quote from: DrkLvr_ on December 21, 2015, 02:52:27 PM

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Quote from: busterzzz on December 21, 2015, 02:48:06 PM

Quote from: generalizethis on December 21, 2015, 02:11:16 PM

Quote from: busterzzz on December 21, 2015, 01:44:17 PM

I wish I knew what was better but I cant figure it out because I cant find a wallet that works for monero. Oh well guess Ill stick with software that actually functions correctly and gets the job done.

You do know that a shiny wallet can't hide bad tech forever, or did you miss that it takes 20+ hours to do a mix-in of 4 with dash? If that's working as intended, then you don't have very high standards.

Unfortunately for most Dashtards you need atleast a double digit IQ to use Cryptonote coins at the moment. These DASH tards remind me of scam victims who deny they've been scammed no matter how many times the bank manager or police officer explains it to them.

Quote from: busterzzz on December 21, 2015, 02:48:06 PM

I'm not sure where you get 24 hours from, probably a signature from a troll who hates Dash.

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Quote from: generalizethis on December 21, 2015, 02:11:16 PM

Quote from: busterzzz on December 21, 2015, 01:44:17 PM

I wish I knew what was better but I cant figure it out because I cant find a wallet that works for monero. Oh well guess Ill stick with software that actually functions correctly and gets the job done.

You do know that a shiny wallet can't hide bad tech forever, or did you miss that it takes 20+ hours to do a mix-in of 4 with dash? If that's working as intended, then you don't have very high standards.

Well I wasn't talking about mixing thanks though. I was talking about something as simple as sending/receiving a cryptocurrency, Dash works well in that regards. As far as mixing goes, I've played around with it a little bit. One example I can give is 4 rounds of darksend on 100 dash and it took about 1 hour and 30 minutes. I'm not sure where you get 24 hours from, probably a signature from a troll who hates Dash.

Anyways mixing is pretty slow Ill agree with you there even if your numbers don't match mine. But what's the other option? 3rd party mixer? Monero wallet that doesn't function and whose core dev spends a lot of time posting on social medias? Honestly tell me the better options right now?

There's billions of people in this world not everyone is a tech savy guru who can* install every piece of software on a whim. Monero might have good technology I honestly don't know. But I've never been given a reason to nudge myself into finding out anyways. Get a working wallet and maybe people might be interested. Or continue to support threads like this that only divide a group of individuals who have the same line of general thinking, privacy.

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Quote from: busterzzz on December 21, 2015, 01:44:17 PM

I wish I knew what was better but I cant figure it out because I cant find a wallet that works for monero. Oh well guess Ill stick with software that actually functions correctly and gets the job done.

You do know that a shiny wallet can't hide bad tech forever, or did you miss that it takes 20+ hours to do a mix-in of 4 with dash? If that's working as intended, then you don't have very high standards.

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I wish I knew what was better but I cant figure it out because I cant find a wallet that works for monero. Oh well guess Ill stick with software that actually functions correctly and gets the job done.

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Quote from: shanem on December 21, 2015, 09:32:43 AM

Both coins are dropping and I would rather hold bitcoin than any of these coins. I feel that anon coins fad have gone and nobody are interested in these coins anymore.

Nobody was interested in BTC prior to its spike either.

Wait until there is some random crackdown on BTC and then suddenly everyone is rushing to buy anon coins as a safe haven or diversification asset.

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Both coins are dropping and I would rather hold bitcoin than any of these coins. I feel that anon coins fad have gone and nobody are interested in these coins anymore.

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Quote from: jwinterm on December 20, 2015, 11:43:32 PM

Wtf are you talking about Spoetdick? Gleb Gamow has been posting in Decred ANN thread (in the altcoin section) for the last week or so. For instance: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13311147

Only by a technicality.. he was barred form the Alt Main section.
Hey believe what ya guys want.. i was just warning ya all to be nice.

Duck & Cover kidiots & Investards™ because January 1st is approaching fast.
He's been checking his list to see who is naughty or nice ROFL

CryptoGeddon 2016 is almost upon us REPENT NOW !

All the Dash's & Monero's etc are getting coal in their stocking i bet Cheesy

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Wtf are you talking about Spoetdick? Gleb Gamow has been posting in Decred ANN thread (in the altcoin section) for the last week or so. For instance: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13311147

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Just wait until Gleb Gamow's Altcoin section ban wears off January 1st 2016
Then he will be unleashed on the Altcoin scene full force !
Duck & cover Monero Shills your days are numbered..

Whatchya gonna when Gleb Gamow runs wild on YOU ?

Monero guys will have their little bums poking out from under their bed's !

MONERO COUNTDOWN 01/01/16

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Quote from: smooth on December 20, 2015, 09:42:47 PM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on December 20, 2015, 09:40:15 PM

Does ShadowCoin have Proof-of-Stake governance?

No, other than the implicit ability of stakeholders to soft fork or maybe hard fork. It doesn't have a voting or budget system like Dash.

Okay so my comparison table is correct with a "No" for the relevant row for ShadowCash, even though it is PoS.

Quote from: smooth on December 20, 2015, 09:42:47 PM

Actually now that I think about it, the ability of stakeholders to hard fork in PoS is pretty clear. That's another way the consensus of PoS is absolutely weaker than PoW.

Yeah that is also the point I made to CoinHoarder today. I added a link to that point to the [1] footnote in the post with the comparison table. Those links will serve as a summary reference for us on the PoS vs. PoW issue.

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on December 20, 2015, 09:40:15 PM

Does ShadowCoin have Proof-of-Stake governance?

No, other than the implicit ability of stakeholders to soft fork or maybe hard fork. It doesn't have a voting or budget system like Dash.

Actually now that I think about it, the ability of stakeholders to hard fork in PoS is pretty clear. That's another way the consensus of PoS is absolutely weaker than PoW.

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Does ShadowCoin have Proof-of-Stake governance?

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Neither because both are pure POW and there are people running massive botnets and farms, sorry but i dont believe in this projects, we need innovation in distributions systems

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Quote from: CoinHoarder on December 20, 2015, 03:15:05 PM

Feel free to try and attack a PoS chain and let me know how successful you are.

That happens all the time. PoS coins have to use (increasingly convoluted) checkpoint schemes to fight 'nothing-at-stake' type attacks.

NovaCoin, for example, just got #rekt by one. And Balthazar is 100 times smarter and better at coding than Dash's trash developer.

It would be such a terrible tragedy if Dash suffered catastrophic consensus failure about an hour before Madoffield's Miami talk starts... Grin

One instance in the history of PoS coins equals "happens all the time" ... lol

I have already explained this several times ITT. One instance of a successful attack does not mean the protocol is insecure. I know of way more PoW coins that have been successfully attacked than PoS coins, does that mean PoW is insecure? No, as I've already explained... NVC has been on its death bed for a while now. It was an obvious scam coin from its inception and never really caught on. Both PoW and PoS coins are vulnerable when there is low participation in securing their blockchains. Attacking an alive and well cryptocurrency, whether it is PoW or PoS, is very hard and/or expensive to do.

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on December 20, 2015, 06:00:59 PM

Quote from: ArticMine on December 20, 2015, 05:57:27 PM

1) ShadowCash is proof of stake.

Ah yes, I actually knew that at one time. Corrected.

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