.... AnonyMint pumping his vaporware as usual ...
How can I be pumping that which will not be mineable nor available in an IPO?
Explain that genius.
So... it will not be trade-able on the open market either, genius?
Topic: Honestly, which is better? Monero or Dash? - page 19. (Read 35954 times)
How can I be pumping that which will not be mineable nor available in an IPO?
Explain that genius.
So... it will not be trade-able on the open market either, genius?
"Proof-of-Stake Politics (non-decentralized governance)" - I guess you haven't been following Bitcoin lately? There are just as much politics involved with PoW as soon as a cryptocurrency is large enough. Google "Bitcoin block size limit controversy".
Perhaps you haven't noticed that changing Bitcoin's protocol is incredibly difficult because it requires convincing 50% of the mining hashrate to do so. In my design, it will require ~100%. That is zero effective politics. People can foam at the mouth but they can't actually change the protocol.
Whereas in Proof-of-Stake coins, the collectivized, centralized control is absolute.
Also I assume you are ignoring the radical distinction in the security model. I will link the chart to our recent epiphany on explaining that distinction.
Bitshares R&D is average yet Monero (LOL) is above average and your vaporware is above average. Monero releases one whitepaper and all the sudden they are above average R&D... give me a break lol.
Monero cleaned up the rough edges of Cryptonote such as getting the wallets correct for the equal denominations for mixing. They were able to bring a polished CN implementation to the market. They focused on doing one thing well. Perhaps Boolberry also accomplished some of those too, but afaik zoid has become unresponsive. Although I say CN is unprovable anonymity, that is not saying it is not anonymous mixing. Tor is unprovable too, yet many people feel it aids their privacy. I claim that Dash is spyware because the anonymity is trusted to masternodes which are an obvious target for the NSA or anyone who can profit on breaking anonymity (e.g. those who want to blackmail you or whatever).
Monero has invented RingCT. That is not trivial cryptography. Even Blockstream folks were involved and impressed. Two months before they completed theirs, I (claim to have) invented a similar system ZKT (Zero Knowledge Transactions) which is based on the theoretically more compact CCT instead of Blockstream's CT. I even claim to have improved CCT to eliminate its weaknesses (e.g. the requirement for the Proof-of-Square). Simultaneously I perfected Satohi's Proof-of-Work, and the details of that are in my thread. That is something that no one else has been able to do.
So yeah, my R & D is above average, especially for only 1 dude. (and I am not even formally trained in the requisite math and cryptography, so I started with a handicap)
Afaics, Dash has invented nothing original but Dunning-Kruger flaws.
Afaics BitShares has introduced inferior systems such as DPOS which suffer from the flawed security model of Proof-of-Stake. They do some reasonably high-level tech (Daniel is smart dude) but afaics their focus has been incorrect. I remain somewhat opened-minded to BitShares, because at least Daniel is smart.
At least the original design for BitUSD failed afaik. Which is what I told him when he was proposing it. As what I remember, many of Daniel's ideas have been not very well thought out. Nevertheless he is a smart dude, so I don't entirely ignore BitShares (unlike Dash which I totally ignored for the past year until they announced Evolution which purports to compete with my design, so then I had to investigate more closely).
You obviously have no idea how much R&D in many different decentralized technologies Bitshares has done in its forums as a community over the past couple years. They've done way more research and development than Monero and yourself combined.
They have done a lot of ideas that seem dubious to me. Agree they are very busy and have engineering talent. But they don't seem to have focused talent. They've accomplished somethings, but nothing stands out for me as a big win yet.
If you can point out any feature that is a really a big innovation, I am interested to reconsider my thinking about BitShares?
Bitshares browser/mobile wallet: https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/
I corrected the chart. Is it also a SPV wallet? (so I can correct the chart on that point)
Your claim that your coin will be launched to millions of users is laughable. Please enlighten us how you plan to do that so we can pick holes at all of the issues with your "plan."
I will just point out that my angel investor pointed to the failure of Auroracoin, and I explained to him just now that marketing is very nuanced. And so one key element of a marketing strategy can make all the difference.
Of course I am not going to tell you or anyone else. You'll find out when it is too late to copy it.
Your claim that attacking a PoS coin is a "fixed cost" and attacking a PoW coin is an "unbounded cost" is similarly ridiculous considering the costs of attacking both types are dynamic (PoS depending on the price of the coin and PoW depending on the hash power of the coin.)
You missed the technical epiphany that was revealed in my thread over the past 2 days. I will update the chart to link to that.
If you sling mud atleast get your facts straight... 1 Whitepaper for Monero? What about https://lab.getmonero.org/ and https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1098.pdf 
So who has no Idea?
Thanks for the link, I was only aware of the Ring CT whitepaper. Still, he largely discredits all of the R&D that Bitshares has done which is rediculous and it is obvious he hasn't followed the Bitshares community closely (as it is obvious I haven't followed the Monero community closely.) Not only has Bitshares done a ton of research, but there are two words in R & D... Research and Development. Bitshares has done more development than both coins I mentioned (anonymint's vaporware and monero) combined. So who has no Idea?.... AnonyMint pumping his vaporware as usual ...
"Proof-of-Stake Politics (non-decentralized governance)" - I guess you haven't been following Bitcoin lately? There are just as much politics involved with PoW as soon as a cryptocurrency is large enough. Google "Bitcoin block size limit controversy".
Bitshares R&D is average yet Monero (LOL) is above average and your vaporware is above average. Monero releases one whitepaper and all the sudden they are above average R&D... give me a break lol. You obviously have no idea how much R&D in many different decentralized technologies Bitshares has done in its forums as a community over the past couple years. They've done way more research and development than Monero and yourself combined.
Bitshares browser/mobile wallet: https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/
Your claim that your coin will be launched to millions of users is laughable. Please enlighten us how you plan to do that so we can pick holes at all of the issues with your "plan."
Your claim that attacking a PoS coin is a "fixed cost" and attacking a PoW coin is an "unbounded cost" is similarly ridiculous considering the costs of attacking both types are dynamic (PoS depending on the price of the coin and PoW depending on the hash power of the coin.)
If you sling mud atleast get your facts straight... 1 Whitepaper for Monero? What about https://lab.getmonero.org/ and https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1098.pdf
So who has no Idea? .... AnonyMint pumping his vaporware as usual ...
How can I be pumping that which will not be mineable nor available in an IPO?
Explain that genius.
Why? Zerocoin (note this is zeroCOIN not zeroCASH) was developed years ago and well-discussed by experts (and generally rejected as a poor approach) already on this forum and elsewhere. Just because some pump-and-dumpers recycle their zerovert scam into a new ICO coin they are trying to hype, why would developers care about that?
Well, maybe they don't care. That's absolutely fine with me. Considering some well-respected folks in Cryptoland were tweeting about it, I honestly thought this was a never-seen-before implementation. If it's old news, that's fine too!
Even anoncoin was I think implementing Zerocoin last year. But Zerocoin is not Zerocash (although Zerocash does have coins names zerocoins). It is Zerocash that might be the holy-grail of provable anonymity, but afaik there doesn't exist a stable, fully vetted implementation. No one can really deliver Zerocash today. It is on my future list to delve into (that doesn't mean a promise of implementation).
Note when I write that anonymity in Cryptonote (and plagiarized version such as ShadowCoin) is "unprovable", I mean that no one can prove the level of their anonymity mathematically. That doesn't mean there is no mixing going on. It just means no one can prove the mixing is of a certain level of probability to be anonymous. Or to be even more precise, compared to Zerocash, no one can prove that the asymptotic anonymity is 100% (even Zerocash can be Sybil attacked but the non-Sybils accumulate in the anonymity set unbounded whereas the anonymity sets in Cryptonote are ephemeral, bounded thus collapsing into combinatorial cascade + Sybil reduction).
I will not bother to enumerate again the flaws of Zerocoin. I concur with smooth's statement that others have done that already.
.... AnonyMint pumping his vaporware as usual ...
"Proof-of-Stake Politics (non-decentralized governance)" - I guess you haven't been following Bitcoin lately? There are just as much politics involved with PoW as soon as a cryptocurrency is large enough. Google "Bitcoin block size limit controversy".
Bitshares R&D is average yet Monero (LOL) is above average and your vaporware is above average. Monero releases one whitepaper and all the sudden they are above average R&D... give me a break lol. You obviously have no idea how much R&D in many different decentralized technologies Bitshares has done in its forums as a community over the past couple years. They've done way more research and development than Monero and yourself combined.
Bitshares browser/mobile wallet: https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/
Your claim that your coin will be launched to millions of users is laughable. Please enlighten us how you plan to do that so we can pick holes at all of the issues with your "plan."
Your claim that attacking a PoS coin is a "fixed cost" and attacking a PoW coin is an "unbounded cost" is similarly ridiculous considering the costs of attacking both types are dynamic (PoS depending on the price of the coin and PoW depending on the hash power of the coin.)
Let me fix the lies in that table for you:
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Shadowcash -> both tech wise that is. Damn, that threw a spanner in the works. I was on the cusp, THE CUSP, of deciding which one is better monero or dash when this deliveryman guy throws in a bombshell: 'Shadowcash'. Now i know monero and dash are quite hard to decide between, but shadowcash? Is shadowcash better than monero AND dash? Can anyone from either the monero community, the dash community or the shadowcash community please enlighten me? [...]I say this is what should be done. Let the well known members of both coins give concise reasonings and explanations for their opinion on which is better. It would be beneficial to add links or images pinpointing what they are talking about, and other people can look into it later when they get the chance. Then after a couple of days when everyone has had their piece about which one is better, the OP should then post up a "pro vs. con" chart for each coin and then let people decide for themselves[...] What good does it do for us experts to explain as I did upthread that Dash's InstantX subjects the coin to double-spending and forking, and yet n00bs like this one below will completely ignore my (and monsterer's) expertise and continue to spread lies like the following. In terms of technology and innovation behind both coins you have to give it to Dashcoin[...]Dashcoin with instant transaction is like a dream coming from Bitcoin! and it actually works!  [...]Newbie please explain to me how you can completely ignore my expertise and then repeat a lie as you did? Are you a sockpuppet account that is intentionally lying? Do you think I don't know what I am writing about? Do you have any clue how much expertise there is between myself, monsterer and smooth? We try to help you all understand, but you ignore us and repeat lies.  Seems like it best to just you fools lose your money. Go ahead. I don't care what you do. I am not aligned with XMR nor DRK. I never owned either one, and probably never will. Sorry not to be rude but I don't know who are you? o.o did you create a crytpo coin before? what's the name of it? I really looked at Dash.org and looked at https://forum.getmonero.org/...I lurked like probably many did here. I am a Newbie to you it's fine really does not bother me at all. I also found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68nC5BQfuuE...I think Monero programmers and community should be instead of saying why is Dashcoin bad be like here is why Monero is better? also they need to stop taking profit from a gambling site and work harder for more releases and more updates which like I have been told in Monero speculation thread hasn't been for a year or so. There are like 3 or 4 "not sure" dashcoin developers yet they did so much o.O if that instamined made them work so hard why the 7 or 8 Monero developers did not work harder if they do a side business from a gambling site they own and they even win there with big amounts such as 21,000 or so? and this is without the crippled miner with & the donation I just don't get it. They actually have 30 developers LOL, hating on Evan so much while they didn't do anything for crypto except Cry"p"to about it here into forums. They spam anti Dash threads and on the ANN thread because their ANN thread is dead and their 30+ developers can't do much except bug fixing and like you said a gambling site Monerodice.net and this is actually turned out to be a side business for the main developer LOOOOOL imagine 10% profits while doing bug fixing like an entry level job developer. You will not see any Dash supporter on their ANN thread now please look how they spam Dash ANN thread?! don't believe anything they say they just hating while their coin is going down because lack of development after btw copying Bytecoin AND the spam they do including the OP "cryptdromeda". Ohh also don't believe Icebreaker he is a hashfast scammer google it =] P.S it's Dash not dashcoin Monero sounds like a mexican invented it. Monero - dinero - sombrero - flamenco. It doesnt inspire confidence.  Clearly the community doesn't agree with you. That poll takes in to account more factors than just their names. Should make another poll called "What is a better name for a cryptocurrency monero or dash?" Monero sounds like a mexican invented it. Monero - dinero - sombrero - flamenco. It doesnt inspire confidence. Clearly the community doesn't agree with you.
Monero sounds like a mexican invented it. Monero - dinero - sombrero - flamenco. It doesnt inspire confidence.
Monero definitely has the better name.
Dash is just "meh" - in fact whenever I see the word it just reminds me of trash. (Dash is trash etc) Dash because the name seriously sounds cooler than "Monero". I think Monero is a great name!
Dash because the name seriously sounds cooler than "Monero".
BOTH should be concerned about Cryptsy !
Guys, no matter which side you are on between the two battling coins.. i hope you are all paying attention to the shenanigans Cryptsy has been pulling. It would be one hell of a long rant to explain We need to unite and stand together against scam exchanges ! READ ! https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13303659 I have to say this: I consider myself an average Joe Blow type of guy, and I don't even know how I got into bitcoin. It was just something I read about on the internet and thought was cool. Bitcoin has value, and bitcoin is the cryptocurrency people are going to use if they get into this. Both of the coins you have this poll for I've heard of but know absolutely nothing about. And I don't care to know anything about them. Altcoins are destined to be ultimately abandoned. There's no practical use for most of them, and Dash and Monero don't (in my opinion) have a future. They are tools of speculation and will never be adopted by people like me. I do agree that for the most part the current use value for alt-coins is for the most part non existent; however this is not the point. Many people who buy crypto currencies are speculating on the future utility of the crypto currency and hence the future value of the crypto currency. The real questions then become: Are there serious problems affecting the future utility of Bitcoin that the alt-coin solves? Does the alt-coin introduce any new problems not present in Bitcoin? I have to say this: I consider myself an average Joe Blow type of guy, and I don't even know how I got into bitcoin. It was just something I read about on the internet and thought was cool. Bitcoin has value, and bitcoin is the cryptocurrency people are going to use if they get into this. Both of the coins you have this poll for I've heard of but know absolutely nothing about. And I don't care to know anything about them. Altcoins are destined to be ultimately abandoned. There's no practical use for most of them, and Dash and Monero don't (in my opinion) have a future. They are tools of speculation and will never be adopted by people like me. Weird that i have friends who get mad that they have to buy BTC to get Monero--of course these friends have little interest in cryptocurrencies in general, but see the value of online privacy. Still unsure why anyone wants to put their business on a public blockchain, but to each his own. Edit: Hey, you're going to be a Hero member quite soon! Actually these friends are normal people--not technophobes (one is) but not coders either--just understand the value of private money. Even if only the security sector adopts monero, that's a good chunk of valuable users. I'm more interested with what companies and governments will use anyway, as most people will be fine using bank money until someone tells them differently, and those entities won't likely be interested in having their transactions on a public blockchain for foreign and domestic spy agencies, competitors, and journalists to glean sensitive information from. Thanks for noticing my soon to be hero status--BCT needs higher standards = p Jump to:
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