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legendary
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This is something that leaves me perplexed.  The whole point of crypto is to undo government and governement law, I would think.  Otherwise there's no point, except as a funny toy for speculators.  Now, to be able to undo government and governement law, the only way is to do it anonymously, no ?  If you use a tool to undo a mighty powerful enemy (the state and state law), you must be crazy to do so in the open, no ?  The whole point of crypto is to be able to do financial transactions that are "against the law", otherwise why not use the government system (= banking) ?  The whole point is to be able to finance what is forbidden, and not to be stolen by taxes where the law imposes taxation, no ?  If not, and if law abiding, what good is crypto ?

Bitcoin was a very good idea, but was essentially lacking the technology to do so.  The thing that comes closest is coinjoin which breaks trustlessness.  DASH is the best possible implementation of that.

Cryptonote solved the issue with ring signatures, a technology lacking in bitcoin.  It is far superior to the coinjoin technology which is a patch.

That said, most of crypto, and most of its market cap, seems to consist of "law abiding citizens".  I fail to see the interest of that.  If you are law abiding, what are you doing in crypto, which had as a goal the failure of state and law ?



When I see posts like this it becomes clear how much many in the crypto currency communities have deviated from Statoshi's original ideal after close to 8 years. A good place to start is to read the introduction to Statoshi's paper. https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf. The whole point crypto is to provide a digital payment method that behaves the same as cash, and can be used over the Internet.  This is all about cutting out the corporate middlemen and has little to do with Governments. It is about making electronic payments to individuals, especially individuals who may be very poor. In person one can use good old cash, but online one is forced to use proprietary payment methods whose primary design objective is to transfer wealth to the wealthiest  0.000001%. This critical design flaw in proprietary digital payment methods means that they fail miserably when the payee has a net worth below that of middle class or the payer has a net worth at or below that of poverty. Furthermore "middle class" and "poverty" are defined by the standards of a wealthy developed first world country.  

My take is that as far as government power is concerned the impact of crypto may well be neutral.

If we look at Bitcoin, there are two very important critical characteristics of money that Bitcoin lacks:

The first is that Bitcoin can only be used by a very minuscule proportion of the worlds population. This is of course the 1 MB blocksize limit in the Bitcoin protocol. Dash does not address this at all since 4x minuscule is still minuscule. Monero does because it has an adaptive blocksize limit.

The second is that Bitcoin in reality is not fungible and is subject to coin taint and possibly even reversibility of transactions. Furthermore there is no privacy on the Bitcoin blockchain, in particular from the payer. The recent events in Ethereum have demonstrated that a decentralized proof of work blockchain is not enough to prevent reversibility of transactions one also needs anonymity, fungibitly and privacy.

Dash addressees anonymity, fungibility and privacy by implementing Coinjoin on a second tier masternode network. There are serious shortcomings with this approach. Mixing on the Dash masternode network can take hours or even days, and has to be completed before a transaction, and then again after a transaction with the change. Furthermore the Dash masternode network is actually very centralized. There are for example over 4x the number of Banks and Credit Unions in the United States alone that there are Dash masternodes. By this token alone the US banking system is actually more decentralized than the Dash network.

Monero addressees anonymity, fungibility and privacy by using ring signatures. Mixing is seamless and part of the transaction. Sending Monero is essentially the same as sending Bitcoin, with no distinct mixing step.  Furthermore in Monero all transactions are mixed. Monero's approach avoids the need for second tier network with all the centralization and regulatory risks this entails, while at the same time providing a much superior anonymity, fungibility and privacy solution.

Dash does have an interesting technology in Instant X that Monero does not have. In fact Monero has moved in the opposite direction by moving from a 1 min block time to a 2 min block time. My take on Instant X is that for online payments it is irrelevant, Where it is relevant is for in person transactions, yet this is precisely where crypto is the least needed. It is also the area where crypto will face fierce competition from cash and  pre paid value apart from proprietary payment methods. Still it is possible this could be a niche opportunity for Dash.
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Besides who gives shit about ANON crap ?
It's a dumb idea that is going to attract hackers and govt agents and mass regulations
for all of crypto ..in a bad way !

This is something that leaves me perplexed.  The whole point of crypto is to undo government and governement law, I would think.  Otherwise there's no point, except as a funny toy for speculators.  Now, to be able to undo government and governement law, the only way is to do it anonymously, no ?  If you use a tool to undo a mighty powerful enemy (the state and state law), you must be crazy to do so in the open, no ?  The whole point of crypto is to be able to do financial transactions that are "against the law", otherwise why not use the government system (= banking) ?  The whole point is to be able to finance what is forbidden, and not to be stolen by taxes where the law imposes taxation, no ?  If not, and if law abiding, what good is crypto ?

Bitcoin was a very good idea, but was essentially lacking the technology to do so.  The thing that comes closest is coinjoin which breaks trustlessness.  DASH is the best possible implementation of that.

Cryptonote solved the issue with ring signatures, a technology lacking in bitcoin.  It is far superior to the coinjoin technology which is a patch.

That said, most of crypto, and most of its market cap, seems to consist of "law abiding citizens".  I fail to see the interest of that.  If you are law abiding, what are you doing in crypto, which had as a goal the failure of state and law ?

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FREEDOM RESERVE
Posting in this epic thread again.

Also, buy Ethereum.
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The ultimate showdown thread.

Another seed for a flame war you mean?





Perfect answer!

Monero is better for privacy since it has native support of it. Dash is faster and more popular imo. But Darksend is ugly
Monero is ninjamine, dash is instamine - both are scams Smiley

Nicely said.
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Monero is better for privacy since it has native support of it. Dash is faster and more popular imo. But Darksend is ugly
Monero is ninjamine, dash is instamine - both are scams Smiley

The Monero has very few miners and small community support. The coin is mainly botnet mined now.
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Monero is better for privacy since it has native support of it. Dash is faster and more popular imo. But Darksend is ugly
Monero is ninjamine, dash is instamine - both are scams Smiley
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They both failed.

The poll is missing that choice!
legendary
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I'm looking for free spin.
Well for me i think monero is the better than dash monero is one of the good invesment and its profitable than dash..
Its just my opinion..
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
I think that both are good options. Each one has its own features and both offer complete anonymity. Its only a matter of choice.

There's no such thing as complete anonymity--as no coin can force you to do OSPEC--but of the two Monero is the one that offers end-to-end privacy, so it offers the superior design. Now whether you implement it correctly or are up to date in limiting attack vectors that exist in your OS, network, or other parts of your system, that depends on you. No coin can design and maintain your computer or your habits, so the best they can do is offer the best solution when you are following OSPEC and are diligent in your habits.
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I think that both are good options. Each one has its own features and both offer complete anonymity. Its only a matter of choice.
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And does any human on earth give two shits about Quark now ?

Besides who gives shit about ANON crap ?
It's a dumb idea that is going to attract hackers and govt agents and mass regulations
for all of crypto ..in a bad way !

Anon coin = gimmick coin.

Wow spoetnik, you are so brutally frank. Aren't you even a bit concerned about hurting their (Monero's) feelings?

Do you enjoy making grown men cry.

DASH does seem to have moved on to payment systems, after realizing they had maxed out the anonymity gimick.

P.S. I think privacy might end up being important, but the most popular CC will simply copy the best privacy tech and integrate it.

The most popular crypto currency is bitcoin. But I do think it will integrate the privacy protocol.
sr. member
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And does any human on earth give two shits about Quark now ?

Besides who gives shit about ANON crap ?
It's a dumb idea that is going to attract hackers and govt agents and mass regulations
for all of crypto ..in a bad way !

Anon coin = gimmick coin.

Wow spoetnik, you are so brutally frank. Aren't you even a bit concerned about hurting their (Monero's) feelings?

Do you enjoy making grown men cry.

DASH does seem to have moved on to payment systems, after realizing they had maxed out the anonymity gimick.

P.S. I think privacy might end up being important, but the most popular CC will simply copy the best privacy tech and integrate it.
legendary
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Dash is better and older but I like monero Wink

Monero was the first to offer anonymous transaction actually.
We can somehow just look at those newer ones today as just the derivative of monero.  Was interested to monero when i first heard of it.

Oh yeah ?

Can you fathom how many coins came from Quark ?

THOUSANDS !

And does any human on earth give two shits about Quark now ?

Besides who gives shit about ANON crap ?
It's a dumb idea that is going to attract hackers and govt agents and mass regulations
for all of crypto ..in a bad way !

Anon coin = gimmick coin.

I prefer my gimmicks to be productive & useful to some extent. LOL
Like Gridcoin or Prime coin.

But in reality no one cares right ?
Just go buy Ethereum & cross your fingers you don't get eaten by whales
before you can cash out & dump for that 1.2 BTC profit..

Want my advice guys ?
Don't be a "Bag Holder" ..simple enough ?
legendary
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Q: Honestly, which is better? Monero or Dash?

A: If you need to ask that question, you have much to learn and I recommend:

https://twitter.com/MoneroPromotion/status/746006420508729344

I will remain impartial and not provide any advice regarding Dash. Make your own decision.

+1

Dash has no plan for a dynamic blocksize; hardforking is required every single time it is adjusted up or down.

Here we go again.  Roll Eyes

Put that information in your thread. You don't need to chase every coin thread on the forum to create flame wars. If DASH initiates that shit, we who matter will ignore them.

Are you that afraid that no one will bother to notice the feature, because maybe that feature isn't the first priority for everyone.

What matters in the end is your community and your adoption. If your project can't generate that without attacking other coins, then that says something about your coin's importance.

This thread is about answering the question "Honestly, which is better? Monero or Dash?"

Part of an honest answer to the question recognizes Monero solved the dynamic blocksize problem two years ago, while Dash has to adjust manually with hardforks and arbitrary magic numbers.
legendary
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I think monero is better than dash.. monero has more potencial to grow than dash but dash is one of the long time altcoin.. and it is still alive..
sr. member
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Q: Honestly, which is better? Monero or Dash?

A: If you need to ask that question, you have much to learn and I recommend:

https://twitter.com/MoneroPromotion/status/746006420508729344

I will remain impartial and not provide any advice regarding Dash. Make your own decision.

+1

Dash has no plan for a dynamic blocksize; hardforking is required every single time it is adjusted up or down.

Here we go again.  Roll Eyes

Put that information in your thread. You don't need to chase every coin thread on the forum to create flame wars. If DASH initiates that shit, we who matter will ignore them.

Are you that afraid that no one will bother to notice the feature, because maybe that feature isn't the first priority for everyone.

What matters in the end is your community and your adoption. If your project can't generate that without attacking other coins, then that says something about your coin's importance.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
At today's On-chain Scaling conference, fluffypony gave an excellent talk about the importance and types of dynamic blocksizes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM2ra-LzMQk&feature=youtu.be

Monero has successfully used a dynamic blocksize for over two years, proving its resiliency and ability to respond nimbly by surviving DDOS attacks.

Dash has no plan for a dynamic blocksize; hardforking is required every single time it is adjusted up or down.
sr. member
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Q: Honestly, which is better? Monero or Dash?

A: If you need to ask that question, you have much to learn and I recommend:

Don't buy Monero
https://twitter.com/MoneroPromotion/status/746006420508729344

I will remain impartial and not provide any advice regarding Dash. Make your own decision.
legendary
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legendary
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Dash is better and older but I like monero Wink

Monero was the first to offer anonymous transaction actually.

Somewhat debatable. Darksend RC1 (release candidate 1) was announced April 17, 2014. Monero launched (with anon features) April 18, 2014. I don't know how well the Darksend RC1 worked, nor when Darksend had an official release (not merely a candidate). The first versions of Darksend were closed source; Monero has always been open source.

Monero was a fork/relaunch of Bytecoin, which was released about a month earlier with anon features included but also with a massive hidden premine, so Monero's code (but not the Monero blockchain) was indeed clearly first.
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