Topic: How do you keep your mnemonic phrases? - page 6. (Read 1587 times)
Maybe, you must doing tattoo with that on your hand, for example?))
OK, this would sound noobish but I'm interested to know how other people keep the mnemonic phrase generated by the wallet. I do have the wallets secured with a pw and backed up (still not enough to warrant a hardware wallet) but I also have the passphrases handwritten in paper (someone said be wary of printers) and stashed somewhere but I'm wondering if there's a better way to keep them.
I don't know any cryptography but I'm thinking of shuffling the words rather than writing them down in order. Like a 12x12 grid where I'd spread them out in certain patterns and then finished with filler words. Since it's no longer as straight-forward should anyone get their hands on it, I think it would finally be safer to keep digital copies of it. Any suggestions?
I write it on paper or save it on aes-crypted usb with complex password. I don't know any cryptography but I'm thinking of shuffling the words rather than writing them down in order. Like a 12x12 grid where I'd spread them out in certain patterns and then finished with filler words. Since it's no longer as straight-forward should anyone get their hands on it, I think it would finally be safer to keep digital copies of it. Any suggestions?
I would suggest using cryptosteel/billfodl/steely device to store the seed if you have significant amount of crypto.
Generally a paper backup isalways the best and safest option especially if u have significant funds on the wallet. u could make a second wallet with a smaller amount of money on it for trading and keep the memonic for it on a encrypted USB
OK, this would sound noobish but I'm interested to know how other people keep the mnemonic phrase generated by the wallet. I do have the wallets secured with a pw and backed up (still not enough to warrant a hardware wallet) but I also have the passphrases handwritten in paper (someone said be wary of printers) and stashed somewhere but I'm wondering if there's a better way to keep them.
I don't know any cryptography but I'm thinking of shuffling the words rather than writing them down in order. Like a 12x12 grid where I'd spread them out in certain patterns and then finished with filler words. Since it's no longer as straight-forward should anyone get their hands on it, I think it would finally be safer to keep digital copies of it. Any suggestions?
The 12-word grid is a great solution. I use the same as in the application for unlocking mobile phone - the exact same scheme. Easy to remember and quite safe. I don't know any cryptography but I'm thinking of shuffling the words rather than writing them down in order. Like a 12x12 grid where I'd spread them out in certain patterns and then finished with filler words. Since it's no longer as straight-forward should anyone get their hands on it, I think it would finally be safer to keep digital copies of it. Any suggestions?
I do it in a quite creative way. I'm writing some kind of a rap lyrics, where first word of every row is the word from my mnemonic phrase. Of course you can't write all mnemonic phrases in this way, but still there are some that I repeat in my head over and over again just because I love how it sounds.
Example:
Fashion, baby look around –
Building over with much sound
Start of ending. Nevermind.
Planet. Spacecraft. Wish of mankind.
And so on...
Example:
Fashion, baby look around –
Building over with much sound
Start of ending. Nevermind.
Planet. Spacecraft. Wish of mankind.
And so on...
There are a lot of ways to securely store your mnemonic phrase, including digitally, password-protecting it, etc., but what I'd like to know is: how do you store it securely so that even if something happens to you (you die, you're in a coma, brain damage...), your family or loved ones can still access your wallet? Do you think of that at all, do/did you educate them about it, put measures in place, or is it if you go, your money goes with you?
Password-protecting files in the cloud with multiple passwords and services in between (email...), 2FA, etc. is fine, but how do your wife or children access it if you're gone?
Password-protecting files in the cloud with multiple passwords and services in between (email...), 2FA, etc. is fine, but how do your wife or children access it if you're gone?
Mostly websites recommend you to write your mnemonic phrases or backups but I don't think is a safety habit. For years, what I do is to copy and paste it in microsoft word document. I password protect it and then send it to my own email that is secured with a google 2fa and my phone number. In such a case, I walk with my backup wherever I go, and it will take miracle for anyone to get break into.
Anyone in your locality who might be able to guess what you are into, is able to check the words from a few thousand books similar to what you are interested in.
It was effective long before us and still is very effective. Where would you be searching for those books, on the internet? Are you aware that various paper editions have different font and different paging? In other words, good luck with the search
Seedshift - Encrypt/decrypt your BIP-39 seed words with a date shift cipher: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/seedshift-encryptdecrypt-your-bip-39-seed-words-with-a-date-shift-cipher-3416202
OK, this would sound noobish but I'm interested to know how other people keep the mnemonic phrase generated by the wallet. I do have the wallets secured with a pw and backed up (still not enough to warrant a hardware wallet) but I also have the passphrases handwritten in paper (someone said be wary of printers) and stashed somewhere but I'm wondering if there's a better way to keep them.
I don't know any cryptography but I'm thinking of shuffling the words rather than writing them down in order. Like a 12x12 grid where I'd spread them out in certain patterns and then finished with filler words. Since it's no longer as straight-forward should anyone get their hands on it, I think it would finally be safer to keep digital copies of it. Any suggestions?
My opinion about how do I keep my mnemonic phrases due to save my personality data for example : password, login username and mnemonic phrases I have made in document google and all my data I save in it so If I want to open or login this data I use secret code so all my data is safety. I don't know any cryptography but I'm thinking of shuffling the words rather than writing them down in order. Like a 12x12 grid where I'd spread them out in certain patterns and then finished with filler words. Since it's no longer as straight-forward should anyone get their hands on it, I think it would finally be safer to keep digital copies of it. Any suggestions?
Things that are simple can easily caught up if there is someone that's trying to breach your keys out.
Especially when that someone is using a simple baseball bat to get them from you LOL.
Jokes aside though, the method I have described above is about as simple as it may get and very secure.
https://themerkle.com/bitcoin-seeking-gangsters-hold-cryptocurrency-trader-at-gunpoint-in-his-own-home/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/28/britains-first-bitcoin-heist-trader-forced-gunpoint-transfer/
This is why crypto's are anonymous because it helps us to hide on how much we are holding and that makes you remain low key by not letting someone know it.
Don't be too boastful with your holdings -- this kind off topic, I'll leave.
If you have a couple of Raspberry Pi's that you never go online with store it there. Preferably on more than one device so if one device fails you have a backup
you can show your kid how it is working and even teach him how to use Nano or Trezor (doubt a 7-year old would grasp it all,tbh)
but I would rather keep my coins in a paper wallet in a secure place
then trust everything even to the safest of the hardware wallet
especially after I have explained to my underage kid how it is working and that it contains alot of money
but I would rather keep my coins in a paper wallet in a secure place
then trust everything even to the safest of the hardware wallet
especially after I have explained to my underage kid how it is working and that it contains alot of money
Things that are simple can easily caught up if there is someone that's trying to breach your keys out.
Especially when that someone is using a simple baseball bat to get them from you LOL.
Jokes aside though, the method I have described above is about as simple as it may get and very secure.
https://themerkle.com/bitcoin-seeking-gangsters-hold-cryptocurrency-trader-at-gunpoint-in-his-own-home/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/28/britains-first-bitcoin-heist-trader-forced-gunpoint-transfer/
Things that are simple can easily caught up if there is someone that's trying to breach your keys out.
Especially when that someone is using a simple baseball bat to get them from you LOL.
Jokes aside though, the method I have described above is about as simple as it may get and very secure.
https://themerkle.com/bitcoin-seeking-gangsters-hold-cryptocurrency-trader-at-gunpoint-in-his-own-home/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/28/britains-first-bitcoin-heist-trader-forced-gunpoint-transfer/
Since other posters already suggested good ideas, I'd like to share one sort of "unorthodox" way of storing your mnemonic phrases.
Memorize it. Yes, you heard that right. A 12-word recovery seed is a lot easier to memorize that most people thought(though memorizing 24-word seed is still possible, just significantly harder). But I understand that this is definitely not for everyone.
Memorize it. Yes, you heard that right. A 12-word recovery seed is a lot easier to memorize that most people thought(though memorizing 24-word seed is still possible, just significantly harder). But I understand that this is definitely not for everyone.
this one,along with the google doc storage are the worst IMHO
both run the risk of losing access too easily
I have a very good memory,yet I stumble upon sites or accounts I created several years ago and passes for which I was supposed to rememeber
many I do,but there were a couple of frustrating episodes where I could not no matter how I tried
besides you can be injured (god forbid),suffer from a temporary amnesia etc.
you would not want your savings to be gone forever in this case
Has anybody here think of jumbling the position of certain phrases as a good idea? If you are thinking of keeping your seed in your closet or drawer then this might be a good idea even if someone obtained your seed they won't be able to access your wallet as it is all jumbled up.
For example:
You will write and switch the 12th word and the 1st word's position
You will write and switch the 6th word in the the 3rd word's position
Or for your own liking you can switch the words between the words you want to switch, the tricky part here is on how you will remember their positions. Because even I myself won't trust remembering their positions mentally, writing their positions somewhere might also work, you can even right their positions online as long as you keep the whole seed to yourself.
For example:
You will write and switch the 12th word and the 1st word's position
You will write and switch the 6th word in the the 3rd word's position
Or for your own liking you can switch the words between the words you want to switch, the tricky part here is on how you will remember their positions. Because even I myself won't trust remembering their positions mentally, writing their positions somewhere might also work, you can even right their positions online as long as you keep the whole seed to yourself.
Take a book. Any book you like.
Find all the words your mnemonic phrase contains.
Mark their location using page-paragraph-word number combination, ie 120826 would mean page 12, paragraph 8, word 26.
As a result you will have a series of 6 digit numbers which you are free to store on your Google drive, email to yourself or paint on your roof Without knowing what the key book is no one will be able to decipher it.
Find all the words your mnemonic phrase contains.
Mark their location using page-paragraph-word number combination, ie 120826 would mean page 12, paragraph 8, word 26.
As a result you will have a series of 6 digit numbers which you are free to store on your Google drive, email to yourself or paint on your roof
Without knowing what the key book is no one will be able to decipher it.This may sound like a idiot-proof concept, but is in reality relatively vulnerable.
If someone gains access to your google drive (or to your roof
) and knows the system you have used to substitute your words, it just takes a few minutes to hours to test all books which might have been used.Anyone in your locality who might be able to guess what you are into, is able to check the words from a few thousand books similar to what you are interested in.
While this might work out if you hide all possible information (Substitution, book used, etc.. ), Security by obscurity is a bad approach.
You don't have to use your favourite book, you only need to remember which book you used. I think this is less vulnerable than any digital methods used at the moment.
Take a book. Any book you like.
Find all the words your mnemonic phrase contains.
Mark their location using page-paragraph-word number combination, ie 120826 would mean page 12, paragraph 8, word 26.
As a result you will have a series of 6 digit numbers which you are free to store on your Google drive, email to yourself or paint on your roof Without knowing what the key book is no one will be able to decipher it.
Find all the words your mnemonic phrase contains.
Mark their location using page-paragraph-word number combination, ie 120826 would mean page 12, paragraph 8, word 26.
As a result you will have a series of 6 digit numbers which you are free to store on your Google drive, email to yourself or paint on your roof
Without knowing what the key book is no one will be able to decipher it.This may sound like a idiot-proof concept, but is in reality relatively vulnerable.
If someone gains access to your google drive (or to your roof
) and knows the system you have used to substitute your words, it just takes a few minutes to hours to test all books which might have been used.Anyone in your locality who might be able to guess what you are into, is able to check the words from a few thousand books similar to what you are interested in.
While this might work out if you hide all possible information (Substitution, book used, etc.. ), Security by obscurity is a bad approach.
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