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Quote from: un_rank on March 21, 2023, 12:52:45 PM

Bitcoin is a a gamble as well cause there is still some level of risk involved, for it to no longer be a gamble then there needs to be guaranteed profit at anytime you plan to sell.
Bitcoin is much safer than all altcoins out there, but bears some risk.

It's great to be familiar with investment risks, but at least it shouldn't make you too frustrated. Investing is all about planning long term returns, but if you are planning short term returns then you have to trade.

Investing is all about how long you can hold, while you also need to plan for returns. Plan now, I think you will reap the return of that patience and optimism in the long term. Do not think of investing as a gamble, even though prices fluctuate and the risk of loss is very real.

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Quote from: JamesDaniel90 on March 20, 2023, 05:54:17 AM

What is everyone expecting in 2024/25 bull run? Is a 10x a good return or should we be hoping for more?

I guess it depends what you mean by a Bitcoin bull-run. In 2019 price increased by more than 4x, but ultimately came back down to re-test near the lows in 2020. So in the short-term then maybe a 2x from here could be seen as realistic this year, but really I think it will be about 2024/2025 bull market that will see the real increase as well as ATH. At so far based on 4 year cycles this would be the prediction post halving.

It therefore completely depends on your time-frame. If you are looking for a "quick flip" 2x in value, then that may well be achieved this year already. But if you are hoping for something more like 10x then that could take many years, quite likely more than just a few imo. At least Bitcoin's "old ATH to new ATH" % gains have been decreasing since existence, so for 10x it may take many more years to come, even a decade.

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Quote from: aoluain on March 20, 2023, 03:32:07 PM

Yea I agree with your synopsis un_rank, Altcoins are a gamble whereas Bitcoin is not
a gamble.

Bitcoin is a a gamble as well cause there is still some level of risk involved, for it to no longer be a gamble then there needs to be guaranteed profit at anytime you plan to sell.
Bitcoin is much safer than all altcoins out there, but bears some risk.

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Quote from: JamesDaniel90 on March 21, 2023, 05:09:22 AM

I am currently even on a few of the altcoins I hold and thinking of moving them into Bitcoin so that I can make Bitcoin around 50% of my portfolio.

Even if i don't do this sort of diversification (Bitcoin and Altcoins), i think this moves makes more sense, it would mean in my own view that the 50% of your portfolio in Bitcoin is somewhat safe, whilst the other 50% in altcoins is unpredictable, if they pump and you are quick enough to sell, then good for you, but if they dump or do not appreciate, then your bad. But at least you've already secured 50% of your portfolio in an asset that has an actual utility.

Quote from: JamesDaniel90 on March 21, 2023, 05:09:22 AM

I think Bitcoin will hit around $120k in 2025 but that will not be enough for me to sell I would rather accumulate more to the point where I own almost one full Bitcoin and then sell it in the 2029 bull run when I think will the price will be around $350k or more.

2029 is quite a long time from now, but we can just speculate and wait for what is ahead (if we are alive by then), but you are bullish on Bitcoin and so are many other people and myself as well, so we'd just continually accumulate and sell when we think is the right time to do so.

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Of course the hope of many people in Bullrun will have great returns. However, it is very difficult to predict how much return on the next Bullrun. But, I am sure that when the next Bitcoin Halving the price of Bitcoin will again set a new ATH record. So holding Bitcoin until Halving occurs is a good step to get big profits.

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I'm sure if March can touch $30k then April can go up 2x or close to the ATH that happened at the end of 2021, of course all of these things can happen if there are no obstacles like what happened in 2022, namely the many scam cases including top exchanges FTX.

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After bitcoin went into recession with 4.5x drop from ath to 15k bottom, most of my altcoins suffered much bigger losses. Now bitcoin has made a strong recovery on the upside, some of the alts I hold have also achieved bullish rebounds. I remain confident and have long-term goals for my portfolio. Of course, my expectation is that when bitcoin hits ATH its next bull run , my altcoin portfolio will recover 20x to cover capital + profit. maybe it won't be as greedy as 1000x for example, but I'm pretty confident and expect to achieve this goal

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In the next bull run, I am expecting Bitcoins to reach a new all time high price, so if we measure the price from the current price, then definitely it will be like almost 3x of the price. But as I said earlier, if we greed for more profits then definitely we gonna take any wrong step and for that reason we will make mistakes also, so don’t expect too much from the Bitcoins now. Observe the market and graph and invest accordingly. Set a lower withdrawal target and make a withdraw instantly when you reach that target.

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Quote from: JamesDaniel90 on March 20, 2023, 05:54:17 AM

Have been in crypto just over a year now so have yet to experience a bull market and up till now I have just bought and held.

Currently my portfolio is 10% down and am not planning on selling any until I 2x at least.

Most of us are down especially those who bought last year or 2 years ago.
However, if you bought at near the bottom of the market last year then currently you are in a profit since the market has recovered since then. Currently, my portfolio is down at around 30%-40%. Not bad knowing what happened last year.

Quote from: JamesDaniel90 on March 20, 2023, 05:54:17 AM

Bitcoin takes up 30% of my portfolio with the rest in altcoins.

What is everyone expecting in 2024/25 bull run? Is a 10x a good return or should we be hoping for more?

My Bitcoin allocation has been 50%. 40% has been on 2 altcoins namely Ethereum and Cardano, and the remaining 10% are those lower market cap altcoins.

Hmmmmmm. TBH, I can't think of a number where I'm enough whenever it reaches that price. Maybe if my portfolio doubled or even 2.5x when the bull run comes then I will do Dollar-Cost Averaging on selling. I don't want to do the same thing that I did 2 years ago where I just watched the market up, and didn't sell a portion of my portfolio until my potential profits slowly is going away.

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Quote from: JamesDaniel90 on March 20, 2023, 12:00:34 PM

10x on my portfolio not Bitcoin price. Bitcoin will only hit max $150k next bull run which is only a 5x which is why you need altcoins in your portfolio.

You can speculate on the price of BTC, but you cannot be sure that it will not be worth more than $150k or that it will reach less than $100k. No matter how much you rely on past performance and patterns, the fact is that emerging factors such as pandemic, war and inflation along with the recent failures of large banks can significantly affect the global market, which includes the price of Bitcoin.

Quote from: JamesDaniel90 on March 20, 2023, 12:00:34 PM

Some altcoins pumped 10-20x last month alone, Bitcoin does that is 5-10 years Undecided

Look, I'm not saying that you can't profit from trading with altcoins, but that it's about the fact that there are fast pump&dump schemes where you have to react quickly. The fact that overall you are in a loss of 10% while Bitcoin went from $15k+ to $28k+ in just a few months speaks for itself. If you really aim for profits of x20 and more, then you have no choice but to look for an alternative to Bitcoin.

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Quote from: JamesDaniel90 on March 20, 2023, 05:54:17 AM

Have been in crypto just over a year now so have yet to experience a bull market and up till now I have just bought and held.

Currently my portfolio is 10% down and am not planning on selling any until I 2x at least.

It's not a surprise that you're down, for those who bought last year bought slightly higher than what its price is at the moment. Don't panic, it's nothing to be worried about. Patience makes all things right when it comes to Bitcoin. My first experience of bull rally and its subsequent bear in 2017/18 was a frightening one. I couldn't imagine that at $18k+ Bitcoin could later dip to $3,200. It nevertheless still rose from that crash and hit $68k+ in 2021. My belief is that it will repeat the same thing it did in the past and new price will be set above $68k+

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What is everyone expecting in 2024/25 bull run? Is a 10x a good return or should we be hoping for more?

I expect price to go well past $120k in this coming bull rally.

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Just to clear things up , I am not expecting a 10x return on Bitcoin next bull run I meant 10x return on my overall portfolio.

It could be less but it could also be a lot higher if one of the altcoins I hold really does pump.

I am currently even on a few of the altcoins I hold and thinking of moving them into Bitcoin so that I can make Bitcoin around 50% of my portfolio.

I think Bitcoin will hit around $120k in 2025 but that will not be enough for me to sell I would rather accumulate more to the point where I own almost one full Bitcoin and then sell it in the 2029 bull run when I think will the price will be around $350k or more.

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Hopefully, in the next bull run, the price can increase so much and exceed $60k that you can sell it at that price. Many people say or predict that the price of bitcoin can increase up to $100k, and you can also place a sell order at that number.

Our portfolios have dipped, but these are only temporary because the upswings are bound to happen again, and we can start earning big profits again. So for now, I hope you can be patient because the market will still be moving up and down again. And you can also buy bitcoin again at this price before the price increases.

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No one can predict the accurate price of bitcoin in the next ATH,but the best thing to do is for you to have a price target which you will be selling. Immediately bitcoin has reached your price target during the bull run,you can sell some portion of your bitcoin and wait again to buy at the next bear market. It is wise for you to invest on a long term investment so that you can make profit out of your investment. There are some strong altcoins out there which the price do have a good pump,if you are holding such then they will be profitable to you when the price pump. I don't like any other crptocurrency apart from bitcoin because it is the superior of all and can withstand harsh economy.

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Well done lad but you probably might not see the kind of profits that would suit you in bitcoin until after its halving which is programmed to happen in 2024. So it would advise to diverse a proportion of the remaining 70% of altcoins into more altcoins. There are numerous projects out there you can invest in, you just need to give a good insight.

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Quote from: JamesDaniel90 on March 20, 2023, 05:54:17 AM

Have been in crypto just over a year now so have yet to experience a bull market and up till now I have just bought and held.

Currently my portfolio is 10% down and am not planning on selling any until I 2x at least.

Bitcoin takes up 30% of my portfolio with the rest in altcoins.

What is everyone expecting in 2024/25 bull run? Is a 10x a good return or should we be hoping for more?

just like what have said in your recent post (and actually almost the same context as this)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61626592

maybe you should learn from that as you have been here almost a year now, better not to wait to being tagged by red just because of your ignorance or your denial to understand what have been said on you.

this is a market of speculation so no matter what we said here? yet this will not change what to come for the next bull run.

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on March 20, 2023, 09:15:32 PM

Quote from: JamesDaniel90 on March 20, 2023, 05:54:17 AM

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What is everyone expecting in 2024/25 bull run? Is a 10x a good return or should we be hoping for more?

I don't think it will be in 2025. Because in my own opinion, it will start this year, but I am not sure when maybe the last quarter of this year.
And since the Bitcoin block halving will happen in 2024. That's the time I can say that there will be a lot of money will flow in the cryptocurrency market, and I believe new all-time high will be coming on year 2023-2024 range.

Let's hope that it is the same as the past halving and that the price increases. It will begin to decline in the fourth quarter of the year before halving. Then, during and after the procedure, it will take a few months, 4 to 5 months, before it begins to rise again. This was the case before, and I hope all of us can ride this wave. That is why I started to store bitcoin right now, as I do spend part of my salary on it.

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Quote from: JamesDaniel90 on March 20, 2023, 05:54:17 AM

Have been in crypto just over a year now so have yet to experience a bull market and up till now I have just bought and held.

Currently my portfolio is 10% down and am not planning on selling any until I 2x at least.

Bitcoin takes up 30% of my portfolio with the rest in altcoins.

What is everyone expecting in 2024/25 bull run? Is a 10x a good return or should we be hoping for more?

Taking into account the clues you are giving it seems you are expecting for the price of bitcoin to reach 300k, and while such level is not impossible to reach, it is too high if you ask me, a price twice as high as the previous all time high seems like a good enough level for me, this would mean a price of 140k to 150k for each bitcoin and profits of 5x to you, and if this is not enough for you the altcoins on your portfolio could help you to increase your profits even further, but this could be true only if those altcoins are any good.

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Quote from: JamesDaniel90 on March 20, 2023, 05:54:17 AM

What is everyone expecting in 2024/25 bull run? Is a 10x a good return or should we be hoping for more?

The least expectation is $100k per Bitcoin. This was the price predicted for last bull market but Bitcoin couldn't achieved that price. It now has to be moved to the next having that's incoming in 2024. Bitcoin trading at $100k isn't unrealistic because it reach a peak of $60k and above in the previous bull market that happened in 2021.

Therefore Bitcoin going back to that price and surpassing it won't be very difficult to achieved. With its current price a 10x is going to take us to $200k which isn't likely to happen. 10x can only come if the price falls further down and reach a new low. The $17k low can give us a 10x in the next bull market.

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Quote from: JamesDaniel90 on March 20, 2023, 05:54:17 AM

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What is everyone expecting in 2024/25 bull run? Is a 10x a good return or should we be hoping for more?

I don't think it will be in 2025. Because in my own opinion, it will start this year, but I am not sure when maybe the last quarter of this year.
And since the Bitcoin block halving will happen in 2024. That's the time I can say that there will be a lot of money will flow in the cryptocurrency market, and I believe new all-time high will be coming on year 2023-2024 range.

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