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Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

We’ve been seeing a lot of posts about multiple accounts using the same IP. When this happens, the casino will usually close the account, and worse, they might even confiscate the funds. As gamblers, we want to be honest and follow the TOS, but what if you’re living in a house where your family also loves to gamble and you all use the same site? Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

Firstly, confiscation of funds is illegal (unless it is bonus money from the casino). Secondly, I think this issue is resolved through the support service. And it seems to me that the casino itself initiates the solution of this issue through a request of KYC procedure. One IP address for an entire location is a known problem and casinos do not want to reduce the number of their clients because of this. I think this issue is easily resolved (especially if you are not a bonus hunter or something like that).

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Quote from: agan husaeni on October 11, 2024, 05:02:39 AM

I don't think it's a big deal, because sometimes I do the same thing as you guys, and so far there haven't been any warnings or blocks on our accounts. But it would be better to use two different devices.

It is possible that you have not encountered such blockages for the reason that you did not need to withdraw your winnings from the casino account. The problem usually arises for those who are trying to withdraw a large amount and this attracts the attention of the casino administration.

Mmm, that might be true. After all, I'm only playing the casino with a small amount of money, so the winnings I get aren't really going to be that big.

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on October 11, 2024, 11:58:56 AM

Quote from: AliMan on October 11, 2024, 11:40:45 AM

Is using vpn recommended for this even though each family member living in the same place that used one isp ip address?

Many gambling sites are against the use of VPN, that it violates their terms of service. But some gambling sites do not say anything about it but it might lead to the gambling site demanding for more verification from your if they are suspecting something. It is better not to use VPN.

Quote from: AliMan on October 11, 2024, 11:40:45 AM

Or much better if they use another service provider that has their own ip address in order to prevent future circumstances related to being banned by gambling sites. This is an additional cost for each family member, and I think that's better than being caught due to restrictions.

Same internet service provider are good. What is not good is to use the same SIM card. If the SIM card is different, there is no problem.

If you still want to use family router, you can discuss about it with your family members to know another gambling site that you can use. All of you can use different gambling sites with the same IP as well. Bui I prefer different IP addresses and different devices.

This is very helpful advice from you mate, that's a great help so nobody of us member in a family could violates certain precautions about the same ip restrictions. Now I must avoid that kind of vpn thing in our family, and let everybody being aware on those essential information in order to play at gambling sites fairly. Though buying additional sim cards would take a cost, but the safety of your account will not be compromise.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 13, 2024, 09:35:12 PM

There won’t be any issues if you’re losing or if your winnings are small. Problems arise when you start winning large amounts. At that point, bookies will review your account, and if they find anything that doesn’t adhere to their regulations, that’s when the trouble begins.

It could be different for most cases but even so, if it's on the rules of the casino that they don't allow two accounts for one IP. Whether you've been losing a lot, I think that a point of time will come that they'll have to give that short notice of closing the two accounts. But see for oneselves if there can be some experiment being done but be open for any consequences that will be done by the casino. In most cases, the large winnings are really triggering to get some background check for those accounts or gamblers that are consecutively winning as that's what's concerning to them. It's true that if one just losses more money, they won't be bothered with those accounts.

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Quote from: agan husaeni on October 11, 2024, 05:02:39 AM

I don't think it's a big deal, because sometimes I do the same thing as you guys, and so far there haven't been any warnings or blocks on our accounts. But it would be better to use two different devices.

There won’t be any issues if you’re losing or if your winnings are small. Problems arise when you start winning large amounts. At that point, bookies will review your account, and if they find anything that doesn’t adhere to their regulations, that’s when the trouble begins.

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Quote from: iv4n on October 12, 2024, 10:40:11 AM

And maybe, just maybe it would be better when more people play just under one account... you will level up faster, and with that more prizes will come your way. ..

This definitely does not solve the problem. I don't understand how this should work, if I log into my account from another device, then the session on the first device is terminated. In this case, family members should take turns playing, which undoubtedly confuses their time together.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

We’ve been seeing a lot of posts about multiple accounts using the same IP. When this happens, the casino will usually close the account, and worse, they might even confiscate the funds. As gamblers, we want to be honest and follow the TOS, but what if you’re living in a house where your family also loves to gamble and you all use the same site? Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

Simply, a legitimate casino will ask both accounts to go through a KYC process and verify that you are diffrent individuals, even if you have and share the same IP or devices sometimes. However, scam and shady casinos often take advantage of that situation, blocking your both accounts with the excuse of not allowing multiple accounts from the same IP in their TOS.

I had an experience with one of the casinos promoted here where I mistakenly owned two accounts. The support team understood my situation and closed the first empty account, allowing me to continue with the second account that I had deposits inisde it normally. This shows the difference between a legitimate casino and a scam one which might look for any reason to confiscate players’ funds.

As gamblers, it’s important to be careful and follow TOS, If you find yourself in a situation where multiple family members are using the same casino, I think it’s bettr to make sure clarifying your situation with the casino’s support team before they find out. It’s always best to avoid breaking any rules so the casino doesn’t use it against you.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

We’ve been seeing a lot of posts about multiple accounts using the same IP. When this happens, the casino will usually close the account, and worse, they might even confiscate the funds. As gamblers, we want to be honest and follow the TOS, but what if you’re living in a house where your family also loves to gamble and you all use the same site? Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

I want to say that it is too much, indeed having two accounts is an offense for casinos that prohibit it, but this should be a clear concern if talking about the IP that is used the same, this is not just about the family, what if using public wifi at work, in cafes and in other places then using the same site, will it be labeled as an alt account, of course this is not something that should be responded to by closing accounts and so on that harm consumers.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

We’ve been seeing a lot of posts about multiple accounts using the same IP. When this happens, the casino will usually close the account, and worse, they might even confiscate the funds. As gamblers, we want to be honest and follow the TOS, but what if you’re living in a house where your family also loves to gamble and you all use the same site? Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

Considering the fact that we have seen cases in the past where people got banned or blocked from casino platforms for having two accounts registered under the same IP address, I wouldn't recommend doing it. There are so many casino platforms, and a lot of them are trusted and reputable, I don't see any harm in one of the family members having an account on a different platform which would solve this problem before it even starts.

Asking support team for assistance regarding this is also a good option because then you will have the word of the team which should give you clear directions about what you should and shouldn't do in this situation, but if I were in your place, I wouldn't do it.

If it's me and my spouse where both are interested in gambling, I would create accounts on different platforms only to avoid facing problems such as getting the accounts banned and funds confiscated.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

We’ve been seeing a lot of posts about multiple accounts using the same IP. When this happens, the casino will usually close the account, and worse, they might even confiscate the funds. As gamblers, we want to be honest and follow the TOS, but what if you’re living in a house where your family also loves to gamble and you all use the same site? Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

Before using any casino, it is advisable for one to check the casino terms and condition to know whether the casino supports multiple accounts or not. Using multiple accounts on a casino can be seen a way to evade ban or carry out multiple bets on the same match which so many casinos never supported. There are certainly rules that needed to be read as a user of the casino. These rules will guide every users on some certain things they need to note and adhere to preventing them from mistakenly breaching the terms of use. I have never been in a scenario where a casino I'm using mistakenly send funds to my account.

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Quote from: bering on October 12, 2024, 12:11:56 PM

you should be thinking this rule with very well and not register using the wifi at your home which mean just create the account using your personal smartphone or laptop which has a separate network from the others family

This suggestion is subjective. This is only applicable if someone in your house is an online gambler too. But if your concern is just someone my visit you and connect with your wifi that will result to temporary IP similarity then this case will fall to case to case basis depending on both account activity.

I consult this before on casino support and it’s ok to have a temporary with a friend as long as your activity doesn’t show any connection such as arbitrage bet, abusing bonus and etc.

I’m always using home wifi without a problem ever since I start online gambling.

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For me, casinos are cheating people with this clause. If they detect the same IP by different users, they shouldn't automatically conclude it's the same person, they should have done their homework to know their gambling behaviours which can only truly confirm their guilt or a mere mistake. To worsen the matter, they will now confiscate the money, I wonder which right under the law gives them such power. No wonder the court sides with the customer if the money involved is big enough and the customer was able to file a lawsuit. Unfortunately, most times, casinos go away with the money since most customers are voiceless and powerless.

Same here, the IP shouldn't be conclusive proof anyhow, most ISPs don't even provide static IPs anymore and since most people gamble from mobile in crowded cities it's nearly impossible to not have collisions, but I still don't think they ban only on IP, after all, you have far more important things like the browser fingerprint and the device, not even talking about real methods to detects cheaters, one of he obvious one being KYC!

As for funds, depends, won amounts while cheating? They would be in the right to confiscate if they have proof, deposits should not be touched and returned!

Without going into the question of whether it is an unfair clause or simply to protect the online casinos themselves: knowing that this is a practice that is usually forbidden, and before taking all the trouble to contact the team and explain the situation to see what they think before gambling there, why not simply choose a different casino? like the father plays at xxxxxx.com and the mother at yyyyyyy.com?

The offer of gambling services is diverse and abundant, and many of these platforms share the same or very similar games.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 13, 2024, 03:38:08 AM

Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

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For me, casinos are cheating people with this clause. If they detect the same IP by different users, they shouldn't automatically conclude it's the same person, they should have done their homework to know their gambling behaviours which can only truly confirm their guilt or a mere mistake. To worsen the matter, they will now confiscate the money, I wonder which right under the law gives them such power. No wonder the court sides with the customer if the money involved is big enough and the customer was able to file a lawsuit. Unfortunately, most times, casinos go away with the money since most customers are voiceless and powerless.

Same here, the IP shouldn't be conclusive proof anyhow, most ISPs don't even provide static IPs anymore and since most people gamble from mobile in crowded cities it's nearly impossible to not have collisions, but I still don't think they ban only on IP, after all, you have far more important things like the browser fingerprint and the device, not even talking about real methods to detects cheaters, one of he obvious one being KYC!

As for funds, depends, won amounts while cheating? They would be in the right to confiscate if they have proof, deposits should not be touched and returned!

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Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

We’ve been seeing a lot of posts about multiple accounts using the same IP. When this happens, the casino will usually close the account, and worse, they might even confiscate the funds. As gamblers, we want to be honest and follow the TOS, but what if you’re living in a house where your family also loves to gamble and you all use the same site? Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

For me, casinos are cheating people with this clause. If they detect the same IP by different users, they shouldn't automatically conclude it's the same person, they should have done their homework to know their gambling behaviours which can only truly confirm their guilt or a mere mistake. To worsen the matter, they will now confiscate the money, I wonder which right under the law gives them such power. No wonder the court sides with the customer if the money involved is big enough and the customer was able to file a lawsuit. Unfortunately, most times, casinos go away with the money since most customers are voiceless and powerless.

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Quote from: agan husaeni on October 11, 2024, 05:02:39 AM

I don't think it's a big deal, because sometimes I do the same thing as you guys, and so far there haven't been any warnings or blocks on our accounts. But it would be better to use two different devices.

It is possible that you have not encountered such blockages for the reason that you did not need to withdraw your winnings from the casino account. The problem usually arises for those who are trying to withdraw a large amount and this attracts the attention of the casino administration.

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Even if it’s really different people that created the accounts, many online casinos have it in their regulations that there should be only one account per household. Of course this is to prevent any exploitation from the same person of the casino and to prevent cheating but also this rule of one account per household aims to promote responsible gambling.

If there’s the same IP address by two accounts, the casino will have a hard time tracking your activity and spending habits which could be harmful to both gambler and the casino. Well, anyway just use a vpn it changes your ip address if your family really is adamant in playing.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

We’ve been seeing a lot of posts about multiple accounts using the same IP. When this happens, the casino will usually close the account, and worse, they might even confiscate the funds. As gamblers, we want to be honest and follow the TOS, but what if you’re living in a house where your family also loves to gamble and you all use the same site? Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

Actually, This a topic which has been widely discussed in this section of the forum already and it is not only limited to people sharing the same casino while living in the same home, it involves many other circumstances, like people who use dynamic IPs or those who like to browse in the internet through a VPN. The general opinion I have found is one is supposed to avoid using the same casinos as other people in the same house have signed up on, because some gambling sites have alledgedly opted to include in their Terms of Service a "one account per household" policy, that is taking the easiest path by them, in my opinion.
If you are an active gambler and you know there is another gambler living near you, or in your same home, I would advice you to talk to them so you won't use the same casinos.

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Quote from: Z_MBFM on October 12, 2024, 05:06:46 AM

Why would you consider using multiple accounts when you can gamble well enough with just one account? If you create multiple accounts to enjoy any bonus then it is definitely a crime as you are breaking their rules but you can do it if you get information from their ToS that they allow multiple accounts. then they will never ban your account at that time. Not all casino sites allow multiple accounts so you should read the ToS carefully first to get the information yourself.

I haven't seen yet that any casino those are allowing multiple accounts on their TOS. I want to correct you that may using multiple account on a casino who don't allow then it will be just a breaking rules of that casino not any crime my friends.

Quote from: Maslate on October 12, 2024, 05:21:30 AM

You didn’t get what the OP was explaining. There was no intention of abusing the casino or any bonus system you’re referring to. It’s about living in the same household where multiple family members gamble and share the same IP. If you think about it, there’s no intent to cheat, but technically, it looks like cheating from the casino’s perspective because the logs would show different devices using the same IP.

That's is why they may ask for the KYC verification when then won't able to do the KYC then their accounts can be frozen. It is normal that there may be many people in a family or many friends in a hostel may run a wifi so that they may have the same IP but definitely not the same devices.
Everyone's device MAC addresses are different, so when the casino sides do their KYC and device MAC verification, they might be able to find out a reason. Also even then the mac address and they have the KYC if any casino does this then it is better not to deposit in those casinos.

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Having multiple account is forbidden even this is the common ToS for every current casinos so every gamblers know this rule and if you violate this rule then your balanced will be freeze and the higher risk is the casinos will banned your account so that's why to avoiding this thing happened it is only simple suggestion that keep your casinos account private which mean when register at the particular casinos you should be thinking this rule with very well and not register using the wifi at your home which mean just create the account using your personal smartphone or laptop which has a separate network from the others family

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Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

We’ve been seeing a lot of posts about multiple accounts using the same IP. When this happens, the casino will usually close the account, and worse, they might even confiscate the funds. As gamblers, we want to be honest and follow the TOS, but what if you’re living in a house where your family also loves to gamble and you all use the same site? Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

Since we already know that gambling sites verify the IP address to determine if a person has multiple accounts or not, in this case we can try to find alternatives.
You can use different gambling sites such that person A uses one site and person B uses a different site.
If you still want to use the same site then you can consider using VPN to use different IP address for person B.
You can also try contacting the customer support and let them know the situation and may be ask for an IP whitelisting if they agree to it.

Some gambling sites are also against allowing VPN access to their sites and users could face same punishment as those who use same IP address.
I think every device has its own unique IP address, so family members can have their own accounts on same gambling site on different devices and not have this concern.

The solution of family members sharing one device could meet the need for each member to register on different gambling platforms and there won't be need for contacting the customer support or whitelisting.

That's a good suggestion but I guess websites look at the public IP address of the devices.
If these devices are connected under the same wifi network, a single house mostly has 1 wifi with all devices connected to the same network, in this case they will all share the same public IP address.
So the chances of getting banned are still there in this case.
In case they are using cellular data then they will get a different IP address though and so they can create separate accounts.

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