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Quote from: Fortify on October 12, 2024, 01:12:08 AM

Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

We’ve been seeing a lot of posts about multiple accounts using the same IP. When this happens, the casino will usually close the account, and worse, they might even confiscate the funds. As gamblers, we want to be honest and follow the TOS, but what if you’re living in a house where your family also loves to gamble and you all use the same site? Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

It is extremely risky and most gambling sites will have terms saying there can only be one account per household. How enforceable that is can be hard to say, as two people in the same household might not know about each other using a certain site. It's also hard for them to distinguish when people are on a shared network, which is quite common and could look like someone using multiple accounts. As long as a casino handles it fairly, then they have the right to withdraw service from anyone, but they should really pay out the full balance in that scenario if they have KYC provided.

We must be careful in doing something, including having 2 different accounts even though they are different, only using the same IP. We must read and understand the rules that apply in a casino, and if we want, we can ask the service provided by them. However, this should be clear in the rules that you cannot use the same IP with different accounts, this has become something we hear a lot. In addition to the risks in the game, there are also risks in the rules that we must obey. All casinos have terms and conditions and they have the right to limit or block our accounts if they violate the rules they set. Because from the beginning there has also been a warning that we must understand the terms and conditions that apply.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

We’ve been seeing a lot of posts about multiple accounts using the same IP. When this happens, the casino will usually close the account, and worse, they might even confiscate the funds. As gamblers, we want to be honest and follow the TOS, but what if you’re living in a house where your family also loves to gamble and you all use the same site? Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

If it is one individual managing those accounts, I think many casinos forbids that. So you should carefully read the TOS of the casino before making such attempts.

On the other hand, if it two people in the same household, it depends on a lot of factor such as:

If they have different names and different documents for KYC, if yes then below point will be considered
If they share same WiFi and by extention same IP address, if yes, then it is not safe. Casinos treats same IP address as multiple accounts so to avoid problems, using the same casinos for two people that share internet should be avoided.

If any of the above is not applicable, then I do not see any problem with two people from the same household using the same casinos.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

We’ve been seeing a lot of posts about multiple accounts using the same IP. When this happens, the casino will usually close the account, and worse, they might even confiscate the funds. As gamblers, we want to be honest and follow the TOS, but what if you’re living in a house where your family also loves to gamble and you all use the same site? Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

It is extremely risky and most gambling sites will have terms saying there can only be one account per household. How enforceable that is can be hard to say, as two people in the same household might not know about each other using a certain site. It's also hard for them to distinguish when people are on a shared network, which is quite common and could look like someone using multiple accounts. As long as a casino handles it fairly, then they have the right to withdraw service from anyone, but they should really pay out the full balance in that scenario if they have KYC provided.

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Quote from: len01 on October 12, 2024, 12:12:08 AM

Every old gambler who is on this forum must have known about the rules and certainly they will never violate the ToS that have been determined by the gambling party. And if there are gamblers here and have other families who gamble, they must use other gambling sites.

Household should use different casinos to prevent the risk of getting their accounts banned because it is in the casinos Tos for their users to not have multiple accounts and using the same IP only signifies that both accounts belong to the same person. There are multiple casinos that offers similar games that you can play and the experience are just the same with few alternation. The differences in processing your withdrawal requests might be what distinguish the casinos from each other but they don't delay payments and are fast with complaints against them when the claims are authentic and not false attacks.

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Quote from: Woodie on October 11, 2024, 05:36:00 AM

What are the chances of this happening Roll Eyes

like honestly we all know by now that even if two people from the same household gambled from the same WiFi, IP addresses that are assigned to the devices will kind of change..if one is ending with a suffic of say .xx1 then the next device will have .xx2 , but whatever the case lets not play smart when it comes to these issues because some bookies and casinos actually have this in their T&Cs and you don't want risking losing your hard earned money this easily...

My advice just don't try it!!

That is only the internal IP address which will be different for each device on your network. The public IP address, which is visible to websites you visit, is the same for every device using the same WiFi. Even if you use different devices for each account, the casino will still know they belong to the same household.

Rules against multi-accounting are there to prevent abuse of bonuses and bypassing restrictions on an account. If two people gamble from the same IP but don’t do anything wrong, they will likely be more lenient. They might still ban one or both accounts but they will let you withdraw your funds after you have done KYC.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

We’ve been seeing a lot of posts about multiple accounts using the same IP. When this happens, the casino will usually close the account, and worse, they might even confiscate the funds. As gamblers, we want to be honest and follow the TOS, but what if you’re living in a house where your family also loves to gamble and you all use the same site? Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

Super risky since casino only based multiple account connections to IP similarity. There’s no way to defend yourself against multiple account even if you are playing with a family to same casino since casino can’t verify it and there’s no way to verify it digitally.

Some casino specifically specify about the 1 player per IP on same household since they don’t want to deal with bunch of excuses by cheaters that want to blend in to legit players that play on same household.

This is why I never connect to public wifi and play gambling games. I always use mobile data when I’m outdoor.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on October 11, 2024, 06:11:24 PM

If they do really want to pursue their gambling on the same site, what they can do is reach out the support of the site itself and ask their assistance on this dilemma. If the site is asking kyc, then, they should be willing to undergo such process. Just to prove that they are different persons but using the same IP. Better take precautions rather than freeze the funds and regret later.

This is a really good approach but don’t you think it would be better if they just used different sites? If the site gives them the go ahead to create the account then that’s fine but if it’s isn’t allowed and might result to them having issues with their account in the future then they should just go look for site that provide them same odds or even better and also has a good reputation.

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Every old gambler who is on this forum must have known about the rules and certainly they will never violate the ToS that have been determined by the gambling party. And if there are gamblers here and have other families who gamble, they must use other gambling sites.
Luckily I have never had this problem because in my family I am the only one who gambles and if there is a possibility that a friend or anyone uses the same IP network in my house to gamble, I am sure they only gamble on local fiat gambling.
Staying away from risk is better.

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Quote from: _act_ on October 11, 2024, 05:40:26 AM

Quote from: stompix on October 11, 2024, 05:08:29 AM

Pretty simple solution, make it so that every family member uses a different casino or bookie, there are hundreds of casinos out there, so there is no need to overcomplicate your life and make everyone in the family play there!

The best to me is to use different sims and devices. They can still use the same site if they have different sims and devices.

At one point you'll encounter KYC, and then the casino will know that there are two members of the same family playing there anymore as you will have the same address, same name, plus, if you use mobile data you might have a surprise of getting the same IP allocated over and over for both accounts as you'll both be in the range of the same cell tower, there is no point in doing it compared o the risks.

Quote from: Solosanz on October 11, 2024, 05:19:14 AM

Let's say a family of 4 people using the same account, each of them play different games, one playing slots, one playing fantasy sport, one playing live casino, and another one playing dice. The casino might detect the account was used by bots because the account is really active and played by 4 people at the same time.

Personal opinion but in this situation I think the family has a different problem and closing down their account might be for the better!

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I don't think anyone would do something like this, they would definitely think twice before doing it because it would be very risky when the casino finds out that there is the same IP address in several different gambling account names.
But if it uses Wi-Fi, it might never be detected because when using Wi-Fi on several phones, each phone will show different IP, I have done some research and some of my acquaintances who understand about networks say that using Wi-Fi will indeed provide different IP address, but if I wrong, please correct me.
What is clear is that as gambler, must be able to choose what not to do and what to avoid in order to maintain and minimize the occurrence of suspension or freezing of the accounts they have, this is not only about the account but also maintaining the balance you have because when something bad happens and freeze is made, we will definitely lose that amount of money.

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Better to ask live support if it is allowed to use the same IP with different devices?
Usually there are those who allow the same IP as long as the device is different so don't abuse any bonuses then this will trigger ongoing risks.

Maybe many people will advise not to use the same IP this is too risky. True because the casino will identify your IP.

Or you can try if there is a problem with when trying it?
Usually with small bets there is no problem, when it comes to big money then this will be questioned by the casino.

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Quote from: AVE5 on October 11, 2024, 05:01:29 PM

If it's a casino site that does requires KYC there's not going to be a problem about it because the system is aware that Multiple users could login on same device which would detect it's of two different IDs.
Also, the casino may track the transaction histories of the both accounts to know if they've both been running transaction such as funding or withdrawing to a particular or same account.

Almost the average gambling site asks KYC to issue requirements and that is an obligation for users. The problem is whether it makes sense if the casino closes the account because you share the same IP, the answer still makes sense because they indeed have rules related to this problem. If we don't want to experience these problems, you should avoid something that does not happen that is not desirable.

If you don't want to have problems, you should play on different sites or vice versa using one account and all bets are installed on the account. It should be if one house will be much easier to manage bets on one account so there is no need to share IP.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

We’ve been seeing a lot of posts about multiple accounts using the same IP. When this happens, the casino will usually close the account, and worse, they might even confiscate the funds. As gamblers, we want to be honest and follow the TOS, but what if you’re living in a house where your family also loves to gamble and you all use the same site? Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

This is certainly a very high risk.
Currently, casinos can even identify the devices that are connected to their site, distinguishing a smartphone from a desktop, and they can even obtain the browser version and operating system, thus speculating that they are from different people.
However, even a person who wants to obtain an illicit advantage could be using different devices for each of their accounts.

I used to be an RPG game operator (nothing to do with gambling) and there it was possible for users to voluntarily indicate that player A and B shared the same IP address and thus we could create certain restrictions within the game for these two accounts, avoiding undue advantages. Perhaps casinos can do the same.

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the problem lies in the TOS of each gambling site. but usually IP is one of the benchmarks in dealing with multiple accounts. Most of them are very strict about this kind of thing to reduce various frauds.

it's just that, if for example the same IP address and exactly it may be indeed different people, have also done KYC, if you experience a problem, you just try to contact their CS by providing evidence related to different people. Wait for them to review. but if they stick to the main TOS, maybe they will still give sanctions.

oh yeah. can't you use a premium VPN to make a different IP? Maybe this is too risky, but I sometimes do it, especially since there are many online gambling sites that I can't open if I use my country's IP.

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Quote from: Cantsay on October 11, 2024, 06:04:47 PM

Quote from: alani123 on October 11, 2024, 05:09:36 PM

The real question is why would someone want to have different accounts for the same household?
If it's indeed a household and not a roommate situation, couldn't you arrange things with the same account?

What he means is that what if two siblings that are into gambling and shares the same WiFi connection creates two account in the same site - this clears up that “2 accounts under the same household”.

And if the scenario I mentioned above is true then it won’t make sense for both of them to start gambling with the same accounts - they’ll obvious value their privacy and because of that they might not want the other to know how their gambling life is going.

The best way around it (if the site doesn’t allow this type of thing) is for them to gamble in a separate site - since you’ll be risking your money by continuing using that site it’s best you just look for a different one and use so they won’t be any issue of two accounts sharing the same ip address.

If they do really want to pursue their gambling on the same site, what they can do is reach out the support of the site itself and ask their assistance on this dilemma. If the site is asking kyc, then, they should be willing to undergo such process. Just to prove that they are different persons but using the same IP. Better take precautions rather than freeze the funds and regret later.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

We’ve been seeing a lot of posts about multiple accounts using the same IP. When this happens, the casino will usually close the account, and worse, they might even confiscate the funds. As gamblers, we want to be honest and follow the TOS, but what if you’re living in a house where your family also loves to gamble and you all use the same site? Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

Yes, that's reasonable.
A rule is a rule and us as users, we have to understand that policy since having the same IP address is against to their rule whether you're doing it alone or with some genuinely gambles together with you, that won't play as an excuse. Because the abusers could also say the same thing and that's why most casinos are firm with that rule they have. Why not just use one account instead? but if you want to try it, it's better to get a confirmation and ask this to the support of the casino you are playing.

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Quote from: alani123 on October 11, 2024, 05:09:36 PM

The real question is why would someone want to have different accounts for the same household?
If it's indeed a household and not a roommate situation, couldn't you arrange things with the same account?

What he means is that what if two siblings that are into gambling and shares the same WiFi connection creates two account in the same site - this clears up that “2 accounts under the same household”.

And if the scenario I mentioned above is true then it won’t make sense for both of them to start gambling with the same accounts - they’ll obvious value their privacy and because of that they might not want the other to know how their gambling life is going.

The best way around it (if the site doesn’t allow this type of thing) is for them to gamble in a separate site - since you’ll be risking your money by continuing using that site it’s best you just look for a different one and use so they won’t be any issue of two accounts sharing the same ip address.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

We’ve been seeing a lot of posts about multiple accounts using the same IP. When this happens, the casino will usually close the account, and worse, they might even confiscate the funds. As gamblers, we want to be honest and follow the TOS, but what if you’re living in a house where your family also loves to gamble and you all use the same site? Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

It all depends on what the casino says in their terms and conditions therefore we should always read their rules before making use of their casinos. If the casino does not allow the use for the same IP address for gambling then you do not have any reason to open accounts for different users under the same IP address. In this situation, everybody should just gamble from one user account but if the casino does not say anything about IP address then you can open different accounts and verify your KYC so the support team can see that you are different individuals despite using the same IP address. We should not assume but follow the casinos rules and what they want because they are losing money always to multiple account that benefits from referral bonuses and the rest. At times I don't blame the casinos for being so strict.

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The real question is why would someone want to have different accounts for the same household?
If it's indeed a household and not a roommate situation, couldn't you arrange things with the same account?

I think the easiest solution though would just be to play at different casinos other than anything else. Why risk your balance and your progress when you could simply have accounts on different casinos and be perfectly safe?

I think this is the most common sense scenario because this way you can also keep an eye on better odds, better offers etc and notify each other in case someone wants to join in the action if there's a super good offer or something. If it's an account they don't access everyday mistakes are much less likely to happen.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 11, 2024, 04:49:34 AM

Is it reasonable for the casino to close your account for multiple accounts, even though you didn’t actually create them, but because you share the same IP, that’s what they see?

If it's a casino site that does requires KYC there's not going to be a problem about it because the system is aware that Multiple users could login on same device which would detect it's of two different IDs.
Also, the casino may track the transaction histories of the both accounts to know if they've both been running transaction such as funding or withdrawing to a particular or same account.

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