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Quote from: len01 on March 17, 2023, 09:24:44 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 16, 2023, 10:37:13 PM

This is what we must be aware of because if the hype about AI has started, there will be many fraudsters who are looking for new targets and trying to make offers to get huge profits from the AI project. And maybe that will happen in the gambling business, considering that the gambling business is now more advanced than a few years ago.

And it's true AI will be more advanced in the future because the technology is more developed than now and maybe it will change the appearance or something. And when a lot of AI is available to companies, it will make casinos also use AI to help their business.

take it easy, gamblers on this forum are not easy to fool. most of the professional gamblers here don't really believe in the predictions made by AI, they believe more in their own predictions and their own analysis.

because everyone who has been in gambling for a long time realizes that AI or ChatGPT predictions are not completely correct and some people have proven it. AI hype will probably happen but it will only last a while.

This forum has many people with experience and expertise in analyzing things so they can know if something will eventually trick them. Gamblers here are used to analyzing because they have been doing it for a long time before AI appeared, so they still rely on their skills and experience in placing sports bets.

Well, let's see how this AI develops because I haven't seen AI as a solution to get a lot of information in a short time. But we must realize that AI technology can develop in the next few years.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on March 17, 2023, 11:48:49 PM

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But if you play in the sports gambling its really effective because the data you must need is they can provide instantly.

Expecting on ChatGPT as a prediction engine for sports gambling is also not reliable.
ChatGPT depends on the database it has, while the database collected and studied at this time is only in 2021, and after that ChatGPT cannot find any data.

and sports matches continue to make updates such as players, player conditions, and weather conditions at that time.
Then the prediction will not be accurate because the data used is not supporting the latest match.

And now that GPT-4 is also available and it's paid, maybe the data used has been updated to 2023.
But are you willing to pay just to make predictions that are not necessarily 100% accurate?

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Recently one of the trends is the chatgpt which you can ask what are the possible outcomes with your questions and they just keep responding they are based on the data given to them and you could use for instance as possible resources but don't get carried with those came from the AI, not all the time its work most likely if you play in gambling, they just giving you a possible outcome and winnings but not all the time it works as we expect. But if you play in the sports gambling its really effective because the data you must need is they can provide instantly.

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They are already winning without the AI, what more with it? I guess that's the answer for it. Business is business, that's their motto, no emotionally inclined movements and this is why AI will be a successful feature of one gambling site.
But they should also be looking at the other way. Once gamblers find it too obvious that they are not winning anymore then losing customers will come next. Even with AI's they should not stop giving away events that can double the winnings or guaranteed money backs, this way, their clients won't just leave them if they see chances of receiving more than what they bet for is high.

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Quote from: serveria.com on March 17, 2023, 03:31:40 PM

Several months ago, there was a similar thread here and I replied that ChatGPT can be quite inaccurate. I have tested ChaGPT quite thoroughly since then and I can say that it's not just inaccurate it's just disastrous! At some point, it just starts to make things up for an unknown reason. It's not just an error it's almost like misleading a user on purpose! I'm not even mentioning that ChatGPT is chat bot, not a gambling bot. So, once again: never ever use ChatGPT for gambling! Cool

I agree with you the former version of ChatGPT, GPT-3.5 is really bad for things related to gambling and probabilities, and logic in general. I've tried to create a script to calculate the chances to get a pair in the next dealed cards of a shoe, but it failed and only produced nonsense garbage things.
But a new version has been released few days ago, the GPT-4 one, and it seems to be more powerful and efficient. Unfortunately it's not free for now.

They are now admitting and showing themselves how bad the current free version could be

https://openai.com/product/gpt-4

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 12, 2023, 06:13:28 AM

We are seeing more and more projects that are almost 100% built on Artificial Intelligence, like ChatGPT. Here are a few experiments that are linked between ChatGPT and gambling....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDthta5sUGQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw3pc-47weg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYegYNkwjR0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlFrI6cLD0E

Do you think AI will be more successful to get a working gambling strategy to win the house... and if they do, what will be the impact on casinos?

Several months ago, there was a similar thread here and I replied that ChatGPT can be quite inaccurate. I have tested ChaGPT quite thoroughly since then and I can say that it's not just inaccurate it's just disastrous! At some point, it just starts to make things up for an unknown reason. It's not just an error it's almost like misleading a user on purpose! I'm not even mentioning that ChatGPT is chat bot, not a gambling bot. So, once again: never ever use ChatGPT for gambling! Cool

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Quote from: Daltonik on March 12, 2023, 07:59:56 AM

A bot that makes sports betting predictions, according to the author of the first video, it seems to me that it may well be a useful tool that makes it easier for players to bet on a possible winner, because not everyone is deeply immersed in the events of different sports and an extra analysis will always be useful.

from my experience I would say that AI will not be able to bring consistent profits unless the person makes a combination of the results obtained from the AI with analyzes obtained by himself, I will give a concrete example: let's say I want to bet on the game between:

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This would tell us that no perfect technology that could see what will happen next. Though we can appreciate how this AI has been created but when it comes to gambling, they are just like us humans and they can be wrong. At the end of the day, the house still makes money even though all gamblers will use this technology.

Because what I see is that everything that has been created has some limitations and so we can't expect AI's knows everything and is able to surpass theeir limitation.

Aside from that do you expect the house will be the ones receiving the loose ends? Of course not. AI is designed to help us ease our workloads, though there're attempts to integrate AI into an existing gambling platform I don't think it'll offer much results in a long run. There're also factors internal and external that can change the outcome of the games you've been betting, so it's safe to say that even with the aid of computer there's no guarantee which outcome you will receive. There's also luck in play when gambling, but there'd be that one person who will try hard to analyze the game results not as an addict but more on making gambling as a profession.

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Quote from: Slow death on March 17, 2023, 10:18:12 AM

Quote from: Daltonik on March 12, 2023, 07:59:56 AM

A bot that makes sports betting predictions, according to the author of the first video, it seems to me that it may well be a useful tool that makes it easier for players to bet on a possible winner, because not everyone is deeply immersed in the events of different sports and an extra analysis will always be useful.

from my experience I would say that AI will not be able to bring consistent profits unless the person makes a combination of the results obtained from the AI with analyzes obtained by himself, I will give a concrete example: let's say I want to bet on the game between:

...

This would tell us that no perfect technology that could see what will happen next. Though we can appreciate how this AI has been created but when it comes to gambling, they are just like us humans and they can be wrong. At the end of the day, the house still makes money even though all gamblers will use this technology.

Because what I see is that everything that has been created has some limitations and so we can't expect AI's knows everything and is able to surpass theeir limitation.

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Quote from: Daltonik on March 12, 2023, 07:59:56 AM

A bot that makes sports betting predictions, according to the author of the first video, it seems to me that it may well be a useful tool that makes it easier for players to bet on a possible winner, because not everyone is deeply immersed in the events of different sports and an extra analysis will always be useful.

from my experience I would say that AI will not be able to bring consistent profits unless the person makes a combination of the results obtained from the AI with analyzes obtained by himself, I will give a concrete example: let's say I want to bet on the game between:

Chelsea FC - Everton FC

in this game, chelsea has an odd of @1.46 and Everton has an odd of @7.00, that is, chelsea is being seen as a favorite, for the AI there is no problem in this game, without a doubt that the AI would recommend betting on chelsea, but a person can watch the videos of the games of each of these teams and see the performance of each one of them and will conclude that in this game there is a good chance of a draw because everton has improved a lot and chelsea are still not unstable in attack

I can give example from the game:

Paris Saint-Germain FC - Stade Rennais FC

no doubt that the AI will recommend betting on PSG, but if a person does a deeper analysis of the two teams, he will see that PSG has a disastrous attack without the neymar - mbappe - messi trio and Rennes has good defense, but also has bad attack, so this is a game in which PSG can draw, so this odd of @1.50 is very low for the risk that betting on PSG represents

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 16, 2023, 10:37:13 PM

This is what we must be aware of because if the hype about AI has started, there will be many fraudsters who are looking for new targets and trying to make offers to get huge profits from the AI project. And maybe that will happen in the gambling business, considering that the gambling business is now more advanced than a few years ago.

And it's true AI will be more advanced in the future because the technology is more developed than now and maybe it will change the appearance or something. And when a lot of AI is available to companies, it will make casinos also use AI to help their business.

take it easy, gamblers on this forum are not easy to fool. most of the professional gamblers here don't really believe in the predictions made by AI, they believe more in their own predictions and their own analysis.

because everyone who has been in gambling for a long time realizes that AI or ChatGPT predictions are not completely correct and some people have proven it. AI hype will probably happen but it will only last a while.

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The question is..... Is gambling still fun for many people or do they grind out many hours of gambling with zero profit at all. The house edge is so bad on many of these casinos, that you hardly see any good wins anymore.

I think many people will enjoy it more, if they can find a way to get a little more profit to extend their gambling time. I am not saying that they must find an exploit and then drain all the money in the casinos .... but rather to find a mathematical advantage to increase their win chance, with a good strategy. Grin

Playing gambling is still fun for people who treat gambling as entertainment. But people who use gambling to make money will try to win using AI and probably spend hours gambling or looking for other sports bets. With the help of AI, they feel that they can win some money and maybe even more money because AI can provide even more information than they can find out on their own.

But surely, there will be people who will experience a lot of losses because the presence of AI can make them feel comfortable in gambling and placing bets. When a person finds comfort, he can spend more time than other people, leading to difficulties later.

By using AI (artificial intelligence ) a gambler can also increase his chances of winning in gambling but since a virtual robot will work here a gambler will never get the full enjoyment of gambling as here AI will act as a third person. But for the person who uses gambling as a source of his income, AI will be very helpful for them. Since AI depends on a program, if a program with good analytics and predictive capabilities is used for it, it will work much better for gambling and will be able to make decisions several times faster than a human.

Maybe it was because they weren't looking for information as they used to before. After all, they had started relying on AI. But the presence of AI can indeed help people to get information, and maybe that information will be more than what they got before.

And the existence of AI will bring changes in the gambling business and maybe there will be many developers who offer this AI technology to gamblers. And from the casino itself will issue AI technology to help casinos continue operating and will not allow gamblers always to win using AI. Obviously, this will make competition in the gambling business even tighter with the presence of AI.

When AI technology is used in gambling then everyone will use this technology as a result of which the casino sites will also bring their more updates due to which even using Ai it will not be possible to win gambling very easily. As Sportbet is not a part of gambling site and it does not follow any algorithm it is played live on the field and the results are based on that score so by analyzing the previous game Ai can give a gambler a possible prediction in a short period of time. It will be a successful use of AI for gambling

But get that success still needs more time until AI technology can develop as expected. In the meantime, we can continue to use the methods we have done before while waiting for updates from each developer regarding their AI technology. Maybe in a year or two, there will be AI technology that is more advanced than the current one that will be introduced to the public so this will trigger AI for the gambling business to be launched. We cannot imagine how this AI can develop in the future, including if AI is included in the gambling business. It will become more interesting and the gambling business will be tighter because each casino can offer something different, and the developers will provide AI to gamblers.

Since the launch of ChatGPT, AI has been the talk for everyone. And AI is being considered for crypto as well. And now a lot of hype has started about it. And artificial intelligence has gained a lot of popularity among all as a possible technology of the future. So surely AI will be more advanced in coming days and AI will be used in almost all fields. And it will also be widely used for gambling. Just as gamblers will use AI, gambling companies will also use AI as an advanced technology on their sites

This is what we must be aware of because if the hype about AI has started, there will be many fraudsters who are looking for new targets and trying to make offers to get huge profits from the AI project. And maybe that will happen in the gambling business, considering that the gambling business is now more advanced than a few years ago.

And it's true AI will be more advanced in the future because the technology is more developed than now and maybe it will change the appearance or something. And when a lot of AI is available to companies, it will make casinos also use AI to help their business.

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Quote from: QueenVera on March 16, 2023, 09:28:26 PM

But actually I've seen friends who do use AI usefully in making great predictions and also make some big winnings and on one or two occasions I've also had the privilege of joining them and I really loved the work it did but just as the joy is there when the winnings come, so will be pains be there when the losses come.

That is actually quite interesting, the fact you already giving us confirmation there are people out there using AI to make predictions and enhance their betting chances. I thought it would take longer, honestly.

If you don't mind, would you care to give us some more information on it?
Do your friends have any knowledge about the teams and sports they are betting on?
Would you say that the win/loss ratio rate has been favorable for now, or there is no actual advantage?
Do your friends blindly trust the AI prediction or do they perform some filtering to get out those that are very unlikely to become a reality?

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I wouldn't say for sure if AI will really do this works and have a working strategy that works forever because one thing I know is that strategies always fails after some time and most times if not basically all the time, the works of an AI is actually programmed by humans and one reason why it seems AI works efficiently is the fact that it maintains a given set of instructions for a long time with any compromise or fail in one factor of consideration of making a pick or predictions.
But actually I've seen friends who do use AI usefully in making great predictions and also make some big winnings and on one or two occasions I've also had the privilege of joining them and I really loved the work it did but just as the joy is there when the winnings come, so will be pains be there when the losses come.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 12, 2023, 06:13:28 AM

We are seeing more and more projects that are almost 100% built on Artificial Intelligence, like ChatGPT. Here are a few experiments that are linked between ChatGPT and gambling....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDthta5sUGQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw3pc-47weg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYegYNkwjR0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlFrI6cLD0E

Do you think AI will be more successful to get a working gambling strategy to win the house... and if they do, what will be the impact on casinos?

Against the house, I do not think so. However there are some cases, in games that are more open and do not have a built-in bias in which the AIs can win against other players. I do not see any problem in letting an AI play poker and learn until it becomes a decent player. It certainly works with chess and dog-fighting with planes in certain situations. We will have to get used to it.

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Quote from: Finestream on March 16, 2023, 05:54:10 PM

Quote from: Oshosondy on March 12, 2023, 07:23:04 AM

In the long run, you can not win the house. The chance you can be lucky and win big to become rich will always be less than 1% while in long time, the house will always be the winner.

Just as it has been advised several times, gamble for just fun.

AI projects has nothing to do with gambling. Yes, it can answer our queries in gambling but it won’t give us guarantees to win in gambling. It’s still on our own luck actually when we gamble, and if we think we can beat the house, that will never happen. The house will never let us win all the time, as gambling is purely designed to put the house as having the most advantage over the gamblers themselves.

The house won't and cannot simply allow players to have something on their advantage to win most of the time 'coz it would be loss on the house's edge. Also, the goal is not to beat the house but to jist win. Even if an individual player win the jackpot, think of how many players are losing and that simply proves that the house will always win. Regarding AI Projects, there's now ay it would be breaching winning bets to help players. And if there are any, the house will make sure that it won't be allowed by blocking the app itself to not be used against them.

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Quote from: Finestream on March 16, 2023, 05:54:10 PM

AI projects has nothing to do with gambling. Yes, it can answer our queries in gambling but it won’t give us guarantees to win in gambling. It’s still on our own luck actually when we gamble, and if we think we can beat the house, that will never happen. The house will never let us win all the time, as gambling is purely designed to put the house as having the most advantage over the gamblers themselves.

So, I agree. maybe Al can answer our questions about anything, including gambling. in fact, Al is always a hot topic of conversation wherever it is. but in fact, artificial intelligence technology is enabled to help us in facilitating our activities as humans. but again, AI's function was not designed for gambling, not even to beat the house.

Let's just say that Al can be used as a prediction, but every result will not guarantee a win. moreover, if it is intended to predict a football match which in fact football cannot be predicted accurately. because, there are no exact calculations that can predict the outcome of a match. although, based on statistical data though. so either way, it's all down to luck.

Tips from AL projects are just random and with no certainty. The knowledge on these applications are simply limited on its creator and that is an enough reason to say that these AI projects do not know everything in this industry. It is one's luck indeed but it would be better to just rely on your own hunch to lessen the regets when losing.

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A developer might just develop another software to deal with those gamblers that solely rely on AI just to gamble and try to beat the house and its system.
We can't be too optimistic about a technology unless it's being tested and proven that it can beat the house. If someone keeps on beating the house and its system through an AI, the houses aren't dumb and blind not to see and do nothing with it. They'll just reinvest somewhere for it and that gambler can no longer beat them anymore and much worse if it's written on their TOS, that gambler might be banned forever and can't even withdraw the funds he's got stuck in that casino.

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Quote from: Finestream on March 16, 2023, 05:54:10 PM

AI projects has nothing to do with gambling. Yes, it can answer our queries in gambling but it won’t give us guarantees to win in gambling. It’s still on our own luck actually when we gamble, and if we think we can beat the house, that will never happen. The house will never let us win all the time, as gambling is purely designed to put the house as having the most advantage over the gamblers themselves.

So, I agree. maybe Al can answer our questions about anything, including gambling. in fact, Al is always a hot topic of conversation wherever it is. but in fact, artificial intelligence technology is enabled to help us in facilitating our activities as humans. but again, AI's function was not designed for gambling, not even to beat the house.

Let's just say that Al can be used as a prediction, but every result will not guarantee a win. moreover, if it is intended to predict a football match which in fact football cannot be predicted accurately. because, there are no exact calculations that can predict the outcome of a match. although, based on statistical data though. so either way, it's all down to luck.

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Quote from: Finestream on March 16, 2023, 05:54:10 PM

Quote from: Oshosondy on March 12, 2023, 07:23:04 AM

In the long run, you can not win the house. The chance you can be lucky and win big to become rich will always be less than 1% while in long time, the house will always be the winner.

Just as it has been advised several times, gamble for just fun.

AI projects has nothing to do with gambling. Yes, it can answer our queries in gambling but it won’t give us guarantees to win in gambling. It’s still on our own luck actually when we gamble, and if we think we can beat the house, that will never happen. The house will never let us win all the time, as gambling is purely designed to put the house as having the most advantage over the gamblers themselves.

^That is definitely right, I don't know how AI works in gambling since I did not try it but I think it can assist in providing information and insights related to gambling, but it cannot guarantee a win. For me, gambling was designed for the house to have an advantage, and the odds are never in favor of the gambler. While luck may play a role in some cases, in the long run, the house always wins. It is very risky to approach gambling with caution and never rely on it as a source of income or a solution to financial problems. Instead, just gamble responsibly and within your means.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 12, 2023, 07:23:04 AM

In the long run, you can not win the house. The chance you can be lucky and win big to become rich will always be less than 1% while in long time, the house will always be the winner.

Just as it has been advised several times, gamble for just fun.

AI projects has nothing to do with gambling. Yes, it can answer our queries in gambling but it won’t give us guarantees to win in gambling. It’s still on our own luck actually when we gamble, and if we think we can beat the house, that will never happen. The house will never let us win all the time, as gambling is purely designed to put the house as having the most advantage over the gamblers themselves.

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Quote from: RILWAN on March 16, 2023, 12:57:52 PM

If ever artificial intelligence become superior to the casino and making steady winning against the house that will be the destruction of most casinos because abusers will exploit that and reck the casino of all their funds.

They can be helpful in so many ways but they can't still guarantee sure winnings all the time. It is. It is honestly hard to beat the house no matter how effective an AI program is. Lots of people rely on artificial intelligence nowadays but I don't think it will be reliable in the long run unless they would have huge developments to make it more effective in the future. It can be a good guide yet it will be hard for it to beat the house edge for now.

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