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Quote from: Wiwo on March 27, 2023, 02:25:58 PM

Quote from: tjtonmoy on March 26, 2023, 07:59:58 PM

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I agree with you on the fact that Machines perform higher than humans in terms of getting a job done, but if you talk about reasoning, Machines can't reason as human and that is where the human brain is far higher than machines in terms of reasoning.

-If this is applied to gambling, you will discover that humans are more consistent in gambling and predicting the right results compared to Artificial Intelligence.

Right, because what you say is the true fact. We agree that machines have a higher level of work privileges than us humans, whether it's related to how to get work done faster or how machines work more efficiently.

Speaking of gambling, AI is currently a new phenomenon that is said to make it easier for us to predict a match, or in short, to help us win bets with the help of artificial intelligence technology. however, I'm not sure about that. in fact, until now maybe I am one of the few people who have never used this technological sophistication made by Al. but of the many who posted Al, there is no doubt that this artificial intelligence really helps us humans. In fact, it can make it easier for all activities that involve our work. but regarding predictions, I would say no. in particular, sports betting.
As you said, machines don't have reason but rather generate data. While sport covers many aspects, it is not just about data and statistics. however, more on how a team carries out its battle. which in the end, a definite result will be known after the match takes place or is over. so the point is, humans are more consistent in terms of predicting when compared to artificial intelligence.

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Quote from: BobK71 on March 27, 2023, 02:58:52 PM

Of course, humans can analyze things but AI cannot. We should not request AI for prediction because they have no real sense or they can't guess. But it is possible for human. Bots are only able to provide algorithmic results. No matter how advanced this AI is, it will never be able to predict future. Humans are capable of combining emotions, feelings, and situations to give an answer that is not possible through artificial intelligence. But even if they can't give information about the future they can do other tasks smoothly which is very difficult for humans.

Being unable to analyze the current event and adapt to change quickly make the use of AI in gambling ineffective and since artificial intelligence needs configuration to work effectively it is of no use and can't predict or analyze games.

-There is no doubt that a lot of AI development has been on the increase lately but its usage is still limited due to some factors.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 25, 2023, 01:42:01 PM

I think the casinos can also benefit from the AI, because it can use the AI to find "holes" in their security and also in the algorithms that they are using. It must be used preventative to stop exploits, not when they are already found and exploited.

I am very curious to see if AI are more clever than humans to spot these "exploits" and to see how it will react when it founds it. (It would be great if it would go into White hat hacker mode and report it to the casinos) Wink

Though it can be useful for casinos as they can use it to find security and coding vulnerabilities, exploits are a different matter altogether. They will need to have a very strong AI algorithm to be incorporated within their systems that would periodically report bugs and issues to the casino to prevent hackers or cheaters to use those against the casino and in their favor.

AI is a very vast technology and we are yet to see its full potential. We are only at the beginning phase of AI development and we are yet to see the real revolution. I'm sure there will be way more usage opportunities for AI in all fields of life as we proceed toward the future.

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Quote from: Wiwo on March 27, 2023, 02:25:58 PM

Quote from: tjtonmoy on March 26, 2023, 07:59:58 PM

I wonder how far they have gone with ChatGPT-4. And Microsoft's new AI claims to be more advance than ChatGPT. It is no wonder that machine learning AIs can do a far better job than a human could and in so less time than it would take for a human to do it. Complex calculation could be done in seconds with many different data.
But everything has it two sides. AI does have its limitations based on how it was designed. But if one can create such bot or AI then it will be game changing. And it is possible to win the house. Then again, a few days back, I saw a post where a guy lost millions with an odd of 1.008 (source). So there's that.
Luck matters too.

I agree with you on the fact that Machines perform higher than humans in terms of getting a job done, but if you talk about reasoning, Machines can't reason as human and that is where the human brain is far higher than machines in terms of reasoning.

-If this is applied to gambling, you will discover that humans are more consistent in gambling and predicting the right results compared to Artificial Intelligence.

Of course, humans can analyze things but AI cannot. We should not request AI for prediction because they have no real sense or they can't guess. But it is possible for human. Bots are only able to provide algorithmic results. No matter how advanced this AI is, it will never be able to predict future. Humans are capable of combining emotions, feelings, situations to give an answer that is not possible through artificial intelligence. But even if they can't give information about future they are able to do other tasks smoothly which is very difficult for human.

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Quote from: tjtonmoy on March 26, 2023, 07:59:58 PM

I wonder how far they have gone with ChatGPT-4. And Microsoft's new AI claims to be more advance than ChatGPT. It is no wonder that machine learning AIs can do a far better job than a human could and in so less time than it would take for a human to do it. Complex calculation could be done in seconds with many different data.
But everything has it two sides. AI does have its limitations based on how it was designed. But if one can create such bot or AI then it will be game changing. And it is possible to win the house. Then again, a few days back, I saw a post where a guy lost millions with an odd of 1.008 (source). So there's that.
Luck matters too.

I agree with you on the fact that Machines perform higher than humans in terms of getting a job done, but if you talk about reasoning, Machines can't reason as human and that is where the human brain is far higher than machines in terms of reasoning.

-If this is applied to gambling, you will discover that humans are more consistent in gambling and predicting the right results compared to Artificial Intelligence.

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Quote from: len01 on March 27, 2023, 04:20:34 AM

maybe you misplaced your reply. It's not about referrals and it's not about affiliation either.
please reread before replying!

maybe he's talking about the bonus you get by joining the gambling platform using referrals. You can use it to try out the bot or AI prediction. I'm not sure.

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so it is absolutely impossible for the AI to beat the house and there is only a 0.0001% chance of beating the house.

I got your point, but when it comes to analyzing the massive data available on the internet, no human can beat a machine. Maybe some can, but not all of us. And what if the person who builds a perfect bot to predict it correctly never decides to join the platform as a recruit? I bet he can use that strategy to make a lot of money. I am just saying. Likewise, I don't know their decision. So it fair to say that it is possible to win the house using AI or Machine Learning technology. But as I said before, luck matters too.

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Quote from: bettercrypto on March 26, 2023, 05:17:32 PM

If there are people who have experienced earning from the referral scheme I can say that it is not bad if the system is done properly. Not everyone is called to be an affiliate marketer, and you have nothing to lose if you try.

Even though they are newbies in this industry, they gave the guts to do it because there are many social media platforms that can share the referral bonus and maybe it also depends on the platform you share/

What exactly do you mean by referral or affiliate schemes?
This is a thread made on the topic of project al to win a house.
Read through the main topics contained in the thread before you provide a response.
As as you know that your response has strayed far from the topic and is completely irrelevant.
I hope you will learn more about gambling and what is an al project in order to be able to provide more appropriate responses in this thread.

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Quote from: bettercrypto on March 26, 2023, 05:17:32 PM

If there are people who have experienced earning from the referral scheme I can say that it is not bad if the system is done properly. Not everyone is called to be an affiliate marketer, and you have nothing to lose if you try.

Even though they are newbies in this industry, they gave the guts to do it because there are many social media platforms that can share the referral bonus and maybe it also depends on the platform you share/

maybe you misplaced your reply. It's not about referrals and it's not about affiliation either.
please reread before replying!

Quote from: tjtonmoy on March 26, 2023, 07:59:58 PM

I wonder how far they have gone with ChatGPT-4. And Microsoft's new AI claims to be more advance than ChatGPT. It is no wonder that machine learning AIs can do a far better job than a human could and in so less time than it would take for a human to do it. Complex calculation could be done in seconds with many different data.
But everything has it two sides. AI does have its limitations based on how it was designed. But if one can create such bot or AI then it will be game changing. And it is possible to win the house. Then again, few days back, I saw a post where a guy lost millions with an odd with 1.008 (source). So there's that.
Luck matters too.

I see that the current ChatGPT AI trend always appears with new ChatGPT models with different intelligence and their system has been designed even better than the previous ChatGPT. although these bots are continuously being developed in the future but as discussed before, although maybe AI can be developed by someone but it is very difficult to beat the house.

here we know that the casino always wins, that's what makes it possible that if one day someone can make an AI with the right predictions, the casino will find out this person and hire him in the casino, as some people in this thread have said.
so it is absolutely impossible for the AI to beat the house and there is only a 0.0001% chance of beating the house.

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I wonder how far they have gone with ChatGPT-4. And Microsoft's new AI claims to be more advance than ChatGPT. It is no wonder that machine learning AIs can do a far better job than a human could and in so less time than it would take for a human to do it. Complex calculation could be done in seconds with many different data.
But everything has it two sides. AI does have its limitations based on how it was designed. But if one can create such bot or AI then it will be game changing. And it is possible to win the house. Then again, few days back, I saw a post where a guy lost millions with an odd with 1.008 (source). So there's that.
Luck matters too.

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If there are people who have experienced earning from the referral scheme I can say that it is not bad if the system is done properly. Not everyone is called to be an affiliate marketer, and you have nothing to lose if you try.

Even though they are newbies in this industry, they gave the guts to do it because there are many social media platforms that can share the referral bonus and maybe it also depends on the platform you share/

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I think they will always fight each other. The player will try to create an AI for 100% winnings, and the casino will analyze such AI to prevent players from winning.
It will be possible to win from time to time - when the player's AI finds a new way to win, and the casino AI has not yet broken it.

That's not what I mean but the casino has a sophisticated system and is designed no one can beat it even though a very intelligent AI has been developed in any way but it will only be in vain.
So far I haven't found a tool that's really right to be able to beat the casino, except for hackers.
Casinos will only lose to hackers who can hack all the systems in the casino.

I don`t think that only hackers can win the casino. Today we see that AI is using everywhere and the casino can use machine learning to protect their winning and the gamblers can try to understand winning algo the same time the same way. And it is possible situation that in some moments gamblers can catch the casino. But some time later the casino change algo and they begin next round.

Yea, I think the casinos can also benefit from the AI, because it can use the AI to find "holes" in their security and also in the algorithms that they are using. It must be used preventative to stop exploits, not when they are already found and exploited.

I am very curious to see if AI are more clever than humans to spot these "exploits" and to see how it will react when it founds it. (It would be great if it would go into White hat hacker mode and report it to the casinos) Wink

Maybe AI can help casinos for algorithm security or in security systems in casinos.
But I'm not sure if the intelligence of AI can surpass the limits of the human mind whereas AI is created by human intelligence.
From this I can make a little thought that AI can be the second role in casino security and most importantly the intelligent human mind.

Right, gambling is not the thing AI can improve, so AI in casino leads to stability, security and marketing improvement. The process itself is highly emotional, while most stakings are unpredictable, since most sports are battles of emotions too, so AI is not a way to predict anything in gambling...

As I said before even though AI is developed to get more precise predictions, it will only be useless because the house edge will always win because they have a smarter and more sophisticated system that AI cannot predict.
But on another basis AI can help casinos to improve security or help casinos in any aspect that can help casino teams be more efficient in serving customers and in aspects of improving systems at casinos.
So there are advantages and disadvantages of AI for casinos today, those disadvantages are AI can never beat the house edge and advantages of AI in casinos can help casinos from several aspects.

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Quote from: klidex on March 26, 2023, 05:05:09 AM

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I think they will always fight each other. The player will try to create an AI for 100% winnings, and the casino will analyze such AI to prevent players from winning.
It will be possible to win from time to time - when the player's AI finds a new way to win, and the casino AI has not yet broken it.

That's not what I mean but the casino has a sophisticated system and is designed no one can beat it even though a very intelligent AI has been developed in any way but it will only be in vain.
So far I haven't found a tool that's really right to be able to beat the casino, except for hackers.
Casinos will only lose to hackers who can hack all the systems in the casino.

I don`t think that only hackers can win the casino. Today we see that AI is using everywhere and the casino can use machine learning to protect their winning and the gamblers can try to understand winning algo the same time the same way. And it is possible situation that in some moments gamblers can catch the casino. But some time later the casino change algo and they begin next round.

Yea, I think the casinos can also benefit from the AI, because it can use the AI to find "holes" in their security and also in the algorithms that they are using. It must be used preventative to stop exploits, not when they are already found and exploited.

I am very curious to see if AI are more clever than humans to spot these "exploits" and to see how it will react when it founds it. (It would be great if it would go into White hat hacker mode and report it to the casinos) Wink

Maybe AI can help casinos for algorithm security or in security systems in casinos.
But I'm not sure if the intelligence of AI can surpass the limits of the human mind whereas AI is created by human intelligence.
From this I can make a little thought that AI can be the second role in casino security and most importantly the intelligent human mind.

Right, gambling is not the thing AI can improve, so AI in casino leads to stability, security and marketing improvement. The process itself is highly emotional, while most stakings are unpredictable, since most sports are battles of emotions too, so AI is not a way to predict anything in gambling...

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 25, 2023, 01:42:01 PM

Quote from: mak013 on March 25, 2023, 01:32:00 PM

I don`t think that only hackers can win the casino. Today we see that AI is using everywhere and the casino can use machine learning to protect their winning and the gamblers can try to understand winning algo the same time the same way. And it is possible situation that in some moments gamblers can catch the casino. But some time later the casino change algo and they begin next round.

Yea, I think the casinos can also benefit from the AI, because it can use the AI to find "holes" in their security and also in the algorithms that they are using. It must be used preventative to stop exploits, not when they are already found and exploited.

I am very curious to see if AI are more clever than humans to spot these "exploits" and to see how it will react when it founds it. (It would be great if it would go into White hat hacker mode and report it to the casinos) Wink

I`m sure that AI is used by both sides. And the man today will lose to AI i think. But the human can change algo(for example) or security/winning setting in the moment, when the AI on the isn`t ready.
I think that the main idea can bet use both the AI and the human - the only thing AI can`t predict is a human.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 25, 2023, 01:42:01 PM

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Quote from: klidex on March 24, 2023, 10:40:49 AM

Quote from: mak013 on March 24, 2023, 03:06:41 AM

I think they will always fight each other. The player will try to create an AI for 100% winnings, and the casino will analyze such AI to prevent players from winning.
It will be possible to win from time to time - when the player's AI finds a new way to win, and the casino AI has not yet broken it.

That's not what I mean but the casino has a sophisticated system and is designed no one can beat it even though a very intelligent AI has been developed in any way but it will only be in vain.
So far I haven't found a tool that's really right to be able to beat the casino, except for hackers.
Casinos will only lose to hackers who can hack all the systems in the casino.

I don`t think that only hackers can win the casino. Today we see that AI is using everywhere and the casino can use machine learning to protect their winning and the gamblers can try to understand winning algo the same time the same way. And it is possible situation that in some moments gamblers can catch the casino. But some time later the casino change algo and they begin next round.

Yea, I think the casinos can also benefit from the AI, because it can use the AI to find "holes" in their security and also in the algorithms that they are using. It must be used preventative to stop exploits, not when they are already found and exploited.

I am very curious to see if AI are more clever than humans to spot these "exploits" and to see how it will react when it founds it. (It would be great if it would go into White hat hacker mode and report it to the casinos) Wink

Maybe AI can help casinos for algorithm security or in security systems in casinos.
But I'm not sure if the intelligence of AI can surpass the limits of the human mind whereas AI is created by human intelligence.
From this I can make a little thought that AI can be the second role in casino security and most importantly the intelligent human mind.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 12, 2023, 06:13:28 AM

Do you think AI will be more successful to get a working gambling strategy to win the house... and if they do, what will be the impact on casinos?

Definitely, it will not work because when we are talking about the house, there's always an advantage in their favor, and we cannot beat them if we want to be a long-term gambler. AI cannot predict what will happen in the future; it can only provide us with information necessary for us to analyze our bets. This particularly works in sports betting, but only if AI can provide the latest information, which I think ChatGPT does not have the capability for now.

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Quote from: abel1337 on March 25, 2023, 03:41:51 PM

Quote from: serjent05 on March 25, 2023, 03:29:36 PM

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The advise that these AI will give you is just scrapped over the internet, The only good thing about it is it's more accurate on the question or suggestions you are asking compared in googling it. Unless the AI is a gambling dedicated, I don't think it will help you a lot in processing the winning on gambling. I'm speculating that those gambling dedicated AI is more mathematically program to win or to have a greater chance of getting the chance of winning. Remember that casino owners is aware of the fact that AI can disrupt their casino, Let's see how they can act or what moves are they doing to carefully repel those users who are using AI to win their gambles.

When it comes to gambling, I can see where you're coming from with your criticism of AI. The meeting point of technology and politics fascinates me as a tech fan. While AI has made strides, it has a long way to go before it can compete with human players in video games.

Keep in mind that AI is not an adversary, but rather a neutral resource. Combining policy with innovative solutions is, in my opinion, the greatest method to control AI in games. If we have regulations on how to use technology properly and promote research and development, we can keep people safe while still fostering its growth.

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Quote from: o48o on March 25, 2023, 02:39:11 PM

With chatgpt getting good amount of data and resources then it can somehow give a good advice in which team will likely to win but it isn't 100% because as I always said, there is alway a variable that no one can predict, and can greatly affect the input of the match. But if all goes well with the statatistics and data, then AI can sure give boost to our chance of winning a sports bet. Though AI advice will always be in vain in a luck-based game.

The advise that these AI will give you is just scrapped over the internet, The only good thing about it is it's more accurate on the question or suggestions you are asking compared in googling it. Unless the AI is a gambling dedicated, I don't think it will help you a lot in processing the winning on gambling. I'm speculating that those gambling dedicated AI is more mathematically program to win or to have a greater chance of getting the chance of winning. Remember that casino owners is aware of the fact that AI can disrupt their casino, Let's see how they can act or what moves are they doing to carefully repel those users who are using AI to win their gambles.

Well obviously it won't be 100% accurate but neither am i and it sure can scrape way more information and combine and compare then i could even comprehend in a ways i couln't have even thought of.
And this development of them is only going to accelerate, so i am not even kidding when at some point it's not only match results it can predict. And that's kind of scary thought as we never had this kind of tech before. It will be used for gambling and trading first but that's just the start.

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They might change games where counting cards give you an edge against casino, but most of the games are build so that casino has an edge, so it's just mathematically impossible for any ai to cheat the system. But now that programs like chatgpt can get online and run programs, i am pretty sure they give a good edge when it comes to betting sports. But winning in those aren't really "beating the house", it's just beating other gamblers and most likely will mean more less desirable winning ratios.

With chatgpt getting good amount of data and resources then it can somehow give a good advice in which team will likely to win but it isn't 100% because as I always said, there is alway a variable that no one can predict, and can greatly affect the input of the match. But if all goes well with the statatistics and data, then AI can sure give boost to our chance of winning a sports bet. Though AI advice will always be in vain in a luck-based game.

The advise that these AI will give you is just scrapped over the internet, The only good thing about it is it's more accurate on the question or suggestions you are asking compared in googling it. Unless the AI is a gambling dedicated, I don't think it will help you a lot in processing the winning on gambling. I'm speculating that those gambling dedicated AI is more mathematically program to win or to have a greater chance of getting the chance of winning. Remember that casino owners is aware of the fact that AI can disrupt their casino, Let's see how they can act or what moves are they doing to carefully repel those users who are using AI to win their gambles.

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Most of us are aware of how powerful AI is today since AI existed on every part of our lives now. Though with the hype of AI today, I think there developers who aim on making an powerful AI that is sole purpose is to win on casinos. This kind of AI should be the one that casino be ready for. I believe that casino owners know that sooner or later, There will be an AI that will interact with their casino and they should be ready on it by driving them away or not allowing them to win in their casino. AI can be too powerful and we can see how can AI on that is made on our current generation is now performing. I just believe that AI should be regulated as they can interrupt our daily lives soon if those become over powerful that we humans can't control it anymore.

They might change games where counting cards give you an edge against casino, but most of the games are build so that casino has an edge, so it's just mathematically impossible for any ai to cheat the system. But now that programs like chatgpt can get online and run programs, i am pretty sure they give a good edge when it comes to betting sports. But winning in those aren't really "beating the house", it's just beating other gamblers and most likely will mean more less desirable winning ratios.

With chatgpt getting good amount of data and resources then it can somehow give a good advice in which team will likely to win but it isn't 100% because as I always said, there is alway a variable that no one can predict, and can greatly affect the input of the match. But if all goes well with the statatistics and data, then AI can sure give boost to our chance of winning a sports bet. Though AI advice will always be in vain in a luck-based game.

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Quote from: abel1337 on March 22, 2023, 06:40:44 PM

Most of us are aware of how powerful AI is today since AI existed on every part of our lives now. Though with the hype of AI today, I think there developers who aim on making an powerful AI that is sole purpose is to win on casinos. This kind of AI should be the one that casino be ready for. I believe that casino owners know that sooner or later, There will be an AI that will interact with their casino and they should be ready on it by driving them away or not allowing them to win in their casino. AI can be too powerful and we can see how can AI on that is made on our current generation is now performing. I just believe that AI should be regulated as they can interrupt our daily lives soon if those become over powerful that we humans can't control it anymore.

They might change games where counting cards give you an edge against casino, but most of the games are build so that casino has an edge, so it's just mathematically impossible for any ai to cheat the system. But now that programs like chatgpt can get online and run programs, i am pretty sure they give a good edge when it comes to betting sports. But winning in those aren't really "beating the house", it's just beating other gamblers and most likely will mean more less desirable winning ratios.

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