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Maybe back to what can gambling cause. Because a lot of bad thing can happen if someone keep lose in gambling games. Maybe government only prevent bad things that can happen like criminality or maybe anything else especially if someone already addicted, they will do anything to get money so they can play gambling again. If me i don't care although in my country gambling is prohibited. I still can play with bitcoin that is why i really like bitcoin.
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But the banning of gambling is not happening worldwide instead there are only few countries that has this laws but majority has not so I think this won’t even affect the gambling industry that much

But just like what you said that people will seek ways on how to continue their vices is indeed ,and I have some friends in some countries that you mentioned on whos they can still gamble even the strict law was being  implemented

And another thing is it seems that those countries are Muslims so it’s reasonable that gambling is not part of their living just like liquor and drugs and womanizing as well,.so let’s respect them and let the other countries enjoy gambling legalization
Yes it is not happening in every country. It has happened and is still happening in some of the Middle Eastern countries and in countries like India and Pakistan and maybe China. The rest of the countries for example in Europe and in America are harnessing this industry to make money. They have built great businesses around this concept and give taxes to the governments.
Not all countries do have the same perspective and views towards gambling and some of them would definitely consider it out due to tax reasons.

We know that this is a big industry and can really generate big amounts and a part of it- government does really get some benefits from it thats why they do
allow such industry to operate on.
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Governments don't have to ban all gamblings  Some kinds of legitimate businesses have alot  in common with gambling and they are allowed in countries where gambling is illegal. Isn't that strange?
Business is business, maybe government has been issued business permit and I don't think it is illegal. But first, let me know what is the name on that legitimate business. Because as far as I know, if you abide the government law, it should be punishable and probably put in jail. I think if gambling is banned on your place, then don't try bypass it again because you're just committing crimes if you caught in your government.
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I don’t  believe it’s all counties that ban it because they want to be in control of it regulation and even though they choose to be in control, I think it will be  a great idea because they would prevent a lot of immoral activities that the gambling operators on their own wouldn’t do because they want to make money. For instance, in some countries, for a gambling site to be licensed, it has to make KYC process compulsory and the requirement for age is here and the reason is to stop minors from gambling.

Almost all countries I am aware of, regulates gambling and all licensed companies have to stick to the rules and guidelines. This includes, age limit, taxations etcetera.
This is quite different from places where it us illegal and outrightly banned. These nations do not want their citizens to gamble.

And there is really no logical reason for this. Some argue that it's cause people lose from gambling, but this is based on their decisions, people lose from lots of investments, this does not mean we would ban then all.
Religious sentiments is the most common reason for countries practicing theocracy.

Well, my religion does not prohibit gambling. It would be kind of hypocritical to ban gambling while other things like alcohol (red wine esp) is encouraged in moderation. Governments don't have to ban all gamblings  Some kinds of legitimate businesses have alot  in common with gambling and they are allowed in countries where gambling is illegal. Isn't that strange?
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Some government feels it will make the people to become unproductive and less innovative.
In as much as I'm against governments banning gambling in countries, sometimes we human tends to fall back and seek money in ways were we have to do less work.
Imagine if the citizens of a whole country are gamblers, what a country it will be.
What government should do though instead of banning is to regulate it in a less strict way without extorting.


The country will not unproductive as you say and people don't want to work to earn money because they have a short way to make money. Yes, I agree that the government needs to regulate gambling, so not all people can play gambling, especially for people who don't have work in their life. People need to obey the government if the regulations release because that is for the people itself, and the government doesn't want to see their people will become homeless and unemployed.
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Some government feels it will make the people to become unproductive and less innovative.
In as much as I'm against governments banning gambling in countries, sometimes we human tends to fall back and seek money in ways were we have to do less work.
Imagine if the citizens of a whole country are gamblers, what a country it will be.
What government should do though instead of banning is to regulate it in a less strict way without extorting.

It will not going to happen since people need to make money first in order to continue living their own life. And also, not everyone likes to play gambling in the first place because there are people who are not into it. The government had the right to ban those illegal gambling in the first place since they don't have any permit but of course, this will varies from country to country who have different rules and regulation about gambling.
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Some government feels it will make the people to become unproductive and less innovative.
In as much as I'm against governments banning gambling in countries, sometimes we human tends to fall back and seek money in ways were we have to do less work.
Imagine if the citizens of a whole country are gamblers, what a country it will be.
What government should do though instead of banning is to regulate it in a less strict way without extorting.

It seems to me that this is the right approach, once a government bans gambling there is not much to do except to put in jail all of those that violate the law, this is both costly and ineffective especially if the ban is an attempt to protect those that are addicted to gambling, it is way better to regulate the market, this way they obtain taxes out of the casinos, gamblers have a place where to gamble without any fear of being arrested and they can use that money to create campaigns to inform the public about the dangers of becoming addicted to gambling.
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Some government feels it will make the people to become unproductive and less innovative.
In as much as I'm against governments banning gambling in countries, sometimes we human tends to fall back and seek money in ways were we have to do less work.
Imagine if the citizens of a whole country are gamblers, what a country it will be.
What government should do though instead of banning is to regulate it in a less strict way without extorting.
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As you can see most of the countries in that list are Muslim country and I believe it is because gambling is Prohibited in “Koran” as those governments are religiously run

With due respect maybe it’s better to look for the countries that wasn’t run by religion so we can find much better arguments on why and what’s the reason behind banning of gambling

I do not know how can you relate the gambling to the religion and among the countries mentioned by the OP only United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Lebanon are Muslims countries and the rest of the countries are non-Muslims.
I think its government decision of making gambling legal or illegal and it has nothing to do with the religion.


Here is a list I found with 10 countries where gambling is completely illegal.
United Arab Emirates
Brunei
Cambodia
North Korea
Japan
Singapura
Cyprus
Qatar
Lebanon
Poland
Yeah there is no place for region or anything else because people use to gain money is best from gaming. Not only United state Arab Imarat but all countries use to consider gambling but every one gambling is beneficial if we gamble with rules and never bring emotions in  gaming there is huge profit with good gambling.
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But the banning of gambling is not happening worldwide instead there are only few countries that has this laws but majority has not so I think this won’t even affect the gambling industry that much

But just like what you said that people will seek ways on how to continue their vices is indeed ,and I have some friends in some countries that you mentioned on whos they can still gamble even the strict law was being  implemented

And another thing is it seems that those countries are Muslims so it’s reasonable that gambling is not part of their living just like liquor and drugs and womanizing as well,.so let’s respect them and let the other countries enjoy gambling legalization
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The reason why governments try to ban it is because it is an addiction.
And in every addiction there are many people who cannot control their desires.
It will be an entertainment for many years but rules will be placed forever...

Is it your own opinion or is it based on a fact that you hear from the government?
IMO addiction has nothing to do with BAN, if every addiction is banned by government then many people will leave the country to other country. Addiction is not only about gambling but there are many other addiction which are still not being banned by government.
I have different opinion why gambling is banned by government especially in my country. I have two reasons which come to my mind why gambling is banned:
- It is related to religion.
- The bad effect of gambling = increase the number of criminal activity when many gamblers lost alot of money.
 
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The reason why governments try to ban it is because it is an addiction.
And in every addiction there are many people who cannot control their desires.
It will be an entertainment for many years but rules will be placed forever...

I think that is right. The government ban gambling because gambling can make their people addicted to gambling, and they don't want to see their citizen become lazy too without the want to get work. Once people are playing gambling all day long and they become addicting, they will forget their duty, or they will forget everything because they only want to play again and again. That will be bad for people because they cannot separate which part for having fun, which part for work for their life. Maybe the government doesn't have to ban gambling, but they can make some restriction that will only allow gambling to be played for adult people.
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I don’t  believe it’s all counties that ban it because they want to be in control of it regulation and even though they choose to be in control, I think it will be  a great idea because they would prevent a lot of immoral activities that the gambling operators on their own wouldn’t do because they want to make money. For instance, in some countries, for a gambling site to be licensed, it has to make KYC process compulsory and the requirement for age is here and the reason is to stop minors from gambling.

Almost all countries I am aware of, regulates gambling and all licensed companies have to stick to the rules and guidelines. This includes, age limit, taxations etcetera.
This is quite different from places where it us illegal and outrightly banned. These nations do not want their citizens to gamble.

And there is really no logical reason for this. Some argue that it's cause people lose from gambling, but this is based on their decisions, people lose from lots of investments, this does not mean we would ban then all.
Religious sentiments is the most common reason for countries practicing theocracy.
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There are two reasons, they want it monitored and regulated because this is a good source of revenues, they are banning gambling that does not have licensed, another reason is they want total control of the wealth of their people like they do in North Korea or they are ultra-religious people and it is forbidden according to their holy book.

No government can really stop gambling its part of our nature, either they imposed a stiff penalty or they regulate it
So far regulation is the most popular because it's a multi-billion dollar business, and there are cities built for gambling only.
I don’t  believe it’s all counties that ban it because they want to be in control of it regulation and even though they choose to be in control, I think it will be  a great idea because they would prevent a lot of immoral activities that the gambling operators on their own wouldn’t do because they want to make money. For instance, in some countries, for a gambling site to be licensed, it has to make KYC process compulsory and the requirement for age is here and the reason is to stop minors from gambling.

In a situation like this, we will now see that the countries are more concerned with Having the right gambling attitude than the money itself. Yes gambling has been on for years, but those days, it was done decently and kids below age weren’t permitted to play but to because of internet, you see children below 18 gambling.
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I don't understand exactly why some governments ban gambling. Is it like a babysitter government, trying to protect citizens from themselves? Or are they worried about something else?
As gambling is highly profitable, government could make a lot of money by taxing those companies.

Here is a list I found with 10 countries where gambling is completely illegal.

United Arab Emirates
Brunei
Cambodia
North Korea
Japan
Singapura
Cyprus
Qatar
Lebanon
Poland
source:https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2018/02/10-countries-where-gambling-is-completely-illegal/


The problem I see is that gambling is something humans always did. It is something in the human nature. We always ignore probability and think "I will be luck now, just once, and I will make money here" or something like that.

I looked at wikipedia, people gamble since 3000BC!

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Gambling dates back to the Paleolithic period, before written history. In Mesopotamia the earliest six-sided dice date to about 3000 BC. However, they were based on astragali dating back thousands of years earlier. In China, gambling houses were widespread in the first millennium BC, and betting on fighting animals was common. Lotto games and dominoes (precursors of Pai Gow) appeared in China as early as the 10th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

If government ban gambling, people will gamble illegally. Just like prohibiting drugs, people will still use drugs illegally,

The reason why governments try to ban it is because it is an addiction.
And in every addiction there are many people who cannot control their desires.
It will be an entertainment for many years but rules will be placed forever...
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I don't understand exactly why some governments ban gambling. Is it like a babysitter government, trying to protect citizens from themselves? Or are they worried about something else?
As gambling is highly profitable, government could make a lot of money by taxing those companies.

Here is a list I found with 10 countries where gambling is completely illegal.

United Arab Emirates
Brunei
Cambodia
North Korea
Japan
Singapura
Cyprus
Qatar
Lebanon
Poland
source:https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2018/02/10-countries-where-gambling-is-completely-illegal/


The problem I see is that gambling is something humans always did. It is something in the human nature. We always ignore probability and think "I will be luck now, just once, and I will make money here" or something like that.

I looked at wikipedia, people gamble since 3000BC!

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Gambling dates back to the Paleolithic period, before written history. In Mesopotamia the earliest six-sided dice date to about 3000 BC. However, they were based on astragali dating back thousands of years earlier. In China, gambling houses were widespread in the first millennium BC, and betting on fighting animals was common. Lotto games and dominoes (precursors of Pai Gow) appeared in China as early as the 10th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

If government ban gambling, people will gamble illegally. Just like prohibiting drugs, people will still use drugs illegally,


This is true that even before the modern civilization, gambling already exist. What the government is doing is they try to control it since it can ruin the financial build-up of a person. Anyway, yes it is a human nature to gamble but not to the extent that you get addicted to it and even commit crime just to sustain the addiction on gambling.
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Many different countries are banning or imposing some kind of restrictions to offline gambling however when it comes to online gambling government can stop websites from being accessed by a local ISP but cannot restrict anyone who is smart enough to use TOR and Vpn services to hide their IP,this becomes easier with crypto as you can withdraw to a crypto wallet which is anonymous.Maximum governments can do is to stop withdrawing directly to your bank account.
Well, that is wrong. Because all online gamblings were had by their own licenses to operate and once gambling was banned in that country it means they can not operate too. There are governments that they don't like gambling in their place, just like the country of China, they prohibit gambling but there is the largest casino in Macau. If you are a Chinese citizen you can go to Macau just to gamble legally. Indeed, if your country prohibited in gambling then, just follow on it than you put on jail.
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Most governments actually encourage gambling as long as it is done through legal channels and mostly state run lotteries.  They pull in a huge amount of revenue from the lottery and gullible people continue to buy those tickets not knowing the astronomical odds of winning.
This place of gambling being supported by the government as what you have mentioned, since the government is getting a huge amount of profits which they can use to finance charity works, with legal aspects the government will continue patronizing this kind of gambling and people who loves to take the risk trying their chances with fate knowing that there's only slim chances of winnings.
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Here in Brazil casinos are illegal, but we can have lottery tickets, some private lottery and we are in a mid term about online gambling, we don't have any kind of regulation (and this is one of the best thing about crypto casinos, because it's different in the law, at least here)

I think every person should be responsible for their money, and there's no problem with gambling if the casinos or campanies have their own regulations

Many different countries are banning or imposing some kind of restrictions to offline gambling however when it comes to online gambling government can stop websites from being accessed by a local ISP but cannot restrict anyone who is smart enough to use TOR and Vpn services to hide their IP,this becomes easier with crypto as you can withdraw to a crypto wallet which is anonymous.Maximum governments can do is to stop withdrawing directly to your bank account.
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As you can see in the list you have brought to us, all of the countries mentioned above are somewhat in a great condition. What I mean is they are rich countries, so furthermore countries that are somehow not stated above and allows gambling in their vicinity: the obvious is that they most likely poor countries and populated. If that's the case then somehow those countries above have maintained law and order in their place and less crimes are done. A good government is trying to stop it's citizens from being destroyed and a bad government will let you gamble all you want and  all that they care is profits from you, not caring on what you may become later on.
Yes, most of the countries he mentioned have very great economy and they most likely do not depend on taxes from gambling to excel. Is a country like united Arab that will be in support of gambling because of the benefit of taxes? These ones understand morals and they protect it at all cost. The few countries in support of this probably intend regulating it to generate money from taxes because there is bloody money in casinos. They make a whole lot of money.

If we really want to be true to ourselves, we would admit that gambling has done more harm in the society more than goo. It may have existed for eternity but that doesn’t change the fact that it has damaged so many lives, caused many to go into depression and has made many go broke.
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