Humans Gamble since 3000BC, and Governments still try to ban - page 4.

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Quote from: bitmover on August 22, 2019, 09:39:30 AM

I don't understand exactly why some governments ban gambling. Is it like a babysitter government, trying to protect citizens from themselves? Or are they worried about something else?
As gambling is highly profitable, government could make a lot of money by taxing those companies.

Here is a list I found with 10 countries where gambling is completely illegal.

United Arab Emirates
Brunei
Cambodia
North Korea
Japan
Singapura
Cyprus
Qatar
Lebanon
Poland
source:https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2018/02/10-countries-where-gambling-is-completely-illegal/

The problem I see is that gambling is something humans always did. It is something in the human nature. We always ignore probability and think "I will be luck now, just once, and I will make money here" or something like that.

I looked at wikipedia, people gamble since 3000BC!

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Gambling dates back to the Paleolithic period, before written history. In Mesopotamia the earliest six-sided dice date to about 3000 BC. However, they were based on astragali dating back thousands of years earlier. In China, gambling houses were widespread in the first millennium BC, and betting on fighting animals was common. Lotto games and dominoes (precursors of Pai Gow) appeared in China as early as the 10th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

If government ban gambling, people will gamble illegally. Just like prohibiting drugs, people will still use drugs illegally,

because gambling is associated with illegal activities such as money laundering, gang/mob/mafia involvement etc. which the government tries to prevent or limit it's activities
in their country. and as you know there are countries that allows gambling but with strict restriction to limit the crime activities it associated with.

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Quote from: cabalism13 on August 22, 2019, 10:06:40 AM

Quote from: bitmover on August 22, 2019, 09:39:30 AM

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Here in the Philippines they wouldn't ban those things, necessarily because the government is corrupt and they gain so much money on these casinos, they only see gambling as illegal if they don't seem to get tax on it just like JUETENG,... and other online casinos that isn't registered by SEC,...

Gambling in our country is registered in the government so they will not ban those kind of gambling games here Cheesy

. You said it already that our country is composed of a corrupted government that is why they will not ban gambling here. Not only Jueteng but also the so called "peryahan" is considered gambling too. Anyway, that is how our country is lets just go with the flow Cheesy

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Quote from: bitmover on August 22, 2019, 09:39:30 AM

I don't understand exactly why some governments ban gambling. Is it like a babysitter government, trying to protect citizens from themselves? Or are they worried about something else?
As gambling is highly profitable, government could make a lot of money by taxing those companies.

Here is a list I found with 10 countries where gambling is completely illegal.

United Arab Emirates
Brunei
Cambodia
North Korea
Japan
Singapura
Cyprus
Qatar
Lebanon
Poland
source:https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2018/02/10-countries-where-gambling-is-completely-illegal/

The problem I see is that gambling is something humans always did. It is something in the human nature. We always ignore probability and think "I will be luck now, just once, and I will make money here" or something like that.

I looked at wikipedia, people gamble since 3000BC!

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Gambling dates back to the Paleolithic period, before written history. In Mesopotamia the earliest six-sided dice date to about 3000 BC. However, they were based on astragali dating back thousands of years earlier. In China, gambling houses were widespread in the first millennium BC, and betting on fighting animals was common. Lotto games and dominoes (precursors of Pai Gow) appeared in China as early as the 10th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

If government ban gambling, people will gamble illegally. Just like prohibiting drugs, people will still use drugs illegally,

The list of the countries you have provided and playing of gambling is illegal in those countries is a surprise to me and I thought Japan and Cyprus are safe for gambling! The government is not safing the citizens from taking risk but because there is no flamework in the tax’s laws on gambling and they have to tag gambling as evil in other to be able to make it illegal !

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One of the reason why governments made gambling as illegal is religious belief like in Islam gambling will be considered as illegal so countries like UAE ad Brunei banned gambling due to that and other religion also might say it as not the right thing to do.But personally people gamble with or without their knowledge from their childhood between friend as well which is the thing existed for very long time and it will stay even in the banned countries.

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In my country also gambling prohibited but nothing i can do because they have their own reasons why decide gambling illegal but indeed in the some of countries who legalize gambling then it can be good as source tax because i thought gambling tax is very high and government can use the money to build public facilities which is can be use by many people

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Quote from: bitmover on August 22, 2019, 09:39:30 AM

I don't understand exactly why some governments ban gambling. Is it like a babysitter government, trying to protect citizens ?

if their purpose of banning gambling is because of protecting thier citizens then that is great . its good to know that there are still governments like that thesedays but im not saying that those who allow gambling are careless or selfish type of governments . they also care about thier citizens because they think that people will enjoy and can profit if they allow gambling on thier country .

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Quote from: bitmover on August 22, 2019, 09:39:30 AM

I don't understand exactly why some governments ban gambling. Is it like a babysitter government, trying to protect citizens from themselves? Or are they worried about something else?
As gambling is highly profitable, government could make a lot of money by taxing those companies.

Here is a list I found with 10 countries where gambling is completely illegal.

United Arab Emirates
Brunei
Cambodia
North Korea
Japan
Singapura
Cyprus
Qatar
Lebanon
Poland
source:https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2018/02/10-countries-where-gambling-is-completely-illegal/

The problem I see is that gambling is something humans always did. It is something in the human nature. We always ignore probability and think "I will be luck now, just once, and I will make money here" or something like that.

I looked at wikipedia, people gamble since 3000BC!

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Gambling dates back to the Paleolithic period, before written history. In Mesopotamia the earliest six-sided dice date to about 3000 BC. However, they were based on astragali dating back thousands of years earlier. In China, gambling houses were widespread in the first millennium BC, and betting on fighting animals was common. Lotto games and dominoes (precursors of Pai Gow) appeared in China as early as the 10th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

If government ban gambling, people will gamble illegally. Just like prohibiting drugs, people will still use drugs illegally,

Governments often ban gambling to save their citizens from getting addicted and loosing their money, though I don’t really agree with their decision as citizens should be free to decide whether they wish to gamble or not. If only governments allowed gambling they could make huge amounts of money in taxes, and use it for further development of thier citizens.

Quote from: Saisher on August 22, 2019, 11:06:31 AM

Some of the countries banning gambling are mostly Muslim countries, it's understandable because it prohibits them although there are some Muslim regions that allow them, North Korea is very obvious because people there are so poor that they do not have the means to gamble and they control everything, Gambling cannot be prevented by liberal and democratic countries, but countries that has full control of their citizen can impose that

@Saisher you’re correct countries that run on Islam laws do not allow gambling, and when I visited Dubai last year I didn’t knew this and tried searching for a casino but I found none because betting is illegal there.

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Although the governments want to ban gambling industry, I guess they will difficult to close all of the gambling places, especially with the biggest gambling places in offline and online. The owner of the gambling places will negotiate with them to continue their business, and perhaps, there will be money that will be given to the government.

Although all governments ban all of the gambling places, I am sure that people will still find a way to connect to the gambling places and visit it back to playing gambling. It doesn't stop people from playing gambling because gambling will still exist for a long time. So I think that will not be a good idea if the government ban the gambling industry, perhaps, they could make a regulation that will prohibit younger people from playing gambling.

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Gambling is like a part of human. And banning gambling can't stop them from gambling if they really want to. They would still gamble illegally. But for me, regulating gambling is already enough and not to the point the government have to ban it. Just like here in my country, some gambling are legal and some are illegal.

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Quote from: bitmover on August 22, 2019, 09:39:30 AM

I don't understand exactly why some governments ban gambling. Is it like a babysitter government, trying to protect citizens from themselves? Or are they worried about something else?
As gambling is highly profitable, government could make a lot of money by taxing those companies.

Here is a list I found with 10 countries where gambling is completely illegal.

United Arab Emirates
Brunei
Cambodia
North Korea
Japan
Singapura
Cyprus
Qatar
Lebanon
Poland
source:https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2018/02/10-countries-where-gambling-is-completely-illegal/

The problem I see is that gambling is something humans always did. It is something in the human nature. We always ignore probability and think "I will be luck now, just once, and I will make money here" or something like that.

I looked at wikipedia, people gamble since 3000BC!

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Gambling dates back to the Paleolithic period, before written history. In Mesopotamia the earliest six-sided dice date to about 3000 BC. However, they were based on astragali dating back thousands of years earlier. In China, gambling houses were widespread in the first millennium BC, and betting on fighting animals was common. Lotto games and dominoes (precursors of Pai Gow) appeared in China as early as the 10th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

If government ban gambling, people will gamble illegally. Just like prohibiting drugs, people will still use drugs illegally,

Singapura? Are we talking about Singapore here? There are two casinos in Singapore which is in Marina Bay Sands and in Sentosa. Singapura if I am not mistaken is the old name of Singapore. Singapura (Malay) means Lion City. Although Singapore is just a small island or islands (some are reclaimed only or man made), 2 casinos are just enough.

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Quote from: bitmover on August 22, 2019, 09:39:30 AM

If government ban gambling, people will gamble illegally. Just like prohibiting drugs, people will still use drugs illegally,

This line is indeed the truth but we cant do anything about it if certain government do ban gambling into their country.They do have the power on the things that they do like to decide.They might have that sole purpose of banning it just to project its citizens to get addicted and some of them do able to allow it for taxation matter yet we know
that these gambling places generate enourmous amounts of profit and that do benefit out the economy on said country somehow.

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Gambling is illegal in China. But this law I guess only applies to the mainland because if you have visited some place like Macua and Hongkong, they seem to have gambling house there. Most of the gamblers in Asia, high rollers are mostly Chinese. If you happen to watch some Asian news, the Chinese are expanding their casinos all over Asia just so they can party outside the mainland and legally do it somewhere else.

The governments can bann gambling but their citizen are still allowed to gamble somewhere, whats the point. They should just allow it and extract taxes from the casinos.

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They ban because they cannot control or regulate it, they only want people to buy lottery tickets instead on betting it on some games. They only allow lottery because they can earn from it.

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Alot of things are gambling but most people and governments don't want to admit it... Things like investing time and money to get employed but not getting picked amongst thousands of applicants.. Or investing in a legitimate investment but not making enough money..
Trying ones luck in lucrative but difficult-to-win things shouldn't be legal as long as they are not addictive and proven to be bad for the society.

I don't think hard drugs should be legal though.

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Making gambling illegal only worsens the case in those countries if you ask me, whether there is a ban on it or not, people would still gamble, whether it's covertly or overtly.
So rather than placing a total ban on what most people consider as a means of earning an income, what's much better to be done is to establish regulations and restrictions to betting companies, that way any violation of such laws would attract X punishment.

Gambling is no crime and should never be stopped, the government can try to advice people through various means to gamble wisely and warn them they are at a personal risk should they not.

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Quote from: bitmover on August 22, 2019, 12:14:58 PM

Let people do whatever they want. And prostitution is legal is some countries

It makes sense to allow people freely do whatever they want as long as they do not infringe on the rights of others. In a way, it is a littlesimilar to the situation of cryptocurrency in many countries where governments outrightly ban or regulate it's use, tagging it a high risk venture.
They are sort of saying, let us do the thinking for the rest of you and are trying to protect their citizens from themselves.
Or maybe in those countries gambling is synonymous with some other activity which may be illegal.

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What I thought about when I was reading your topic is that when governments tend to ban something, they have a motive towards it, like how they would make something more valuable. Imagine, drugs are prohibited in some countries, and yet there are people who gain a lot of money from that. If it’s legal, it wouldn’t be priced at such a high rate, but if you make it legal, it’s going to lower in price. Not talking about what could happen to people when exposed to those kinds of stuff but we’re talking about the finance part only.

Maybe the mindset starting from 3000BC didn’t change that much because it’s still in a circle. Nothing so much change regards with the gambling industry. I know that if the government has the right leaders, they would be able to control the situations that arise from the people themselves.

Gambling is hard on it by itself, imagine making it legal. What do you see? What is our future?

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Quote from: buwaytress on August 22, 2019, 11:55:28 AM

Anyway, child labour and prostitution have been done since 3000 BC. Why are governments still trying to ban those (see the bad logic of your argument?)

Comparing child labor and gambling is quiet crazy don't you think?
You are not harming anyone by gambling.
And child labor is usually forced. Does anyone put an weapon in your head and force you to gamble inside a casino?

About prostitution, it is the same as gambling. Let people do whatever they want. And prostitution is legal is some countries

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I have a feeling that list is suspect, because there's definitely 100% gambling in Singapore. I've seen Casinos there and they regularly put job vacancies for them.

Brunei it is outlawed, correct, but their citizens drive to the border to gamble (illegal also).

Japanese gamble all the time, sportsbetting is small but legal there to my memory of several years ago and I'm pretty sure there are casinos being built right now in several big cities.

Anyway, child labour and prostitution have been done since 3000 BC. Why are governments still trying to ban those (see the bad logic of your argument?)

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I would rather err on the side of regulation. Completely banning it would just put the industry in the hands of crime families. The government simply saying they won't allow it won't make people stop wanting to do it, as the Prohibition in the US has shown.

Quote from: cabalism13 on August 22, 2019, 10:06:40 AM

Quote from: bitmover on August 22, 2019, 09:39:30 AM

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Here in the Philippines they wouldn't ban those things, necessarily because the government is corrupt and they gain so much money on these casinos, they only see gambling as illegal if they don't seem to get tax on it just like JUETENG,... and other online casinos that isn't registered by SEC,... Within those said countries I don't know what's their reason but knowing from JAPAN, they have MAFIAs running gambling games so I'm really in shock that they're on the list.

Gambling is a constitutional right in the Philippines. LOL. Kidding aside, it truly is legal as long as you can prove you are having a wake. They also don't go after aunties spending their afternoons playing BINGO out in public.

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