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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 25, 2023, 06:30:54 AM

I am not a gambling addict but some friends are making me look like one because I gamble less and they gamble more, it all started when we got into an argument that investing in Bitcoin is not the same as gambling, my friends who are gamblers, not full-time but more of a gambler than I am, are claiming that there is no difference between investing and gambling, they said if all you doing is investing money on Bitcoin you are no different to those who are gambling in a casino.

Whatever thing you overdo is bad and could lead you to addiction, let alone when it comes to gambling or trading, we really need to do it with deciplined mind, if we really want to be profitable. One should have rules, state or put down those rules and how to follow it, which should involve the total number of games one should play in a day/week , number of loses which you would have and consider taking a break in order to avoid excessive betting.

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Quote from: terrorJR on May 04, 2023, 03:47:15 PM

As long as we continue to be aware of things like this, then I don't think it's a problem to make this a place to relax ourselves from some conditions where life is tiring.
As long as we know the limits of gambling, in fact things like this are not things that really make us upset, it's just that there are not a few irregularities that occur that make this uncontrollable for some people because the notion that gambling will always be profitable for them in gambling.

It is very good for us to always weigh our weakness and try as much to know our limit when it comes to some certain things so that we are not going to end up becoming a victim of circumstances that could be a detriment to our health and wellbeing.

What I know is that gambling is not for everybody because there are some persons that do not know how to control themselves when it comes to feelings and how they could regulate there gambling activities. We need always look for s way to make sure that we get solution to our problems if we discovered that we have some lapses that could affect our gambling lifestyle.

The problem is that sometimes things like this can't be controlled, which makes gamblers always make the same mistakes.
I don't want to be naive with myself because on several occasions I also sometimes do that which makes regret always come in the end.
But on the other hand, as long as if indeed we are still in gambling then it is quite clear that learning about this must still be done because even if we cannot change the whole, at least we can minimize it little by little.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on May 04, 2023, 04:29:52 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on May 04, 2023, 04:16:39 PM

This is correct, that's the difference between investing and gambling. But it's much better to avoid arguing with the gamblers that don't have their minds open.
These types of people will argue with you until the next morning and won't allow you to win any rounds of your debate. So, just oblige what they say and you've got your own point.
It's pointless to have these arguments win by you as you've got nothing to gain, you've a point and they got a point as well that they believe they're correct above everyone else.

You can't win an argument to people who are not open to any opinion of others.
Well, if you know what you're doing, you don't need to make a debate with other people.
Just continue what you think is best for your money, because later on, they will see the results of your effort.
The will soon find out that you still have some of your satoshis, whereas, most of them have lost theirs with their bets.
So who do you think is the real winner? The one with satoshis at the end or the ones who lost it?
So for me, you don't need to win on this argument, just look at the outcome of your activities.

Yes, just try to avoid such arguments because it's going to be an endless debate for you when the other party can't accept your ideas which are correct and they're saying that they're correct on their own thinking. Even if, by analyzing what they're saying, they're wrong and yours should be the accepted fact by them. I've been into such situations and it's exhausting and will just suck all of your energy and thinking with that so, I ended up just giving them their own point so that it will come to an end. Just value your peace of mind and let them win an argument that they'll never lose.

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Quote from: madnessteat on May 04, 2023, 03:15:01 PM

Quote from: panganib999 on May 04, 2023, 01:17:37 PM

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In my opinion, before we continue this conversation, we need to clearly understand that investing is a way to make money (sometimes very risky) and gambling is entertainment. I would advise against making the wrong associations in your head, as some do, and not trying to get rich in a casino, as it depends on luck, not desire, amount of money or free time.

There's time that we brought our luck where ever we go and that's the time also when we are playing in casino or any gambling sites and place we will win not once not twice but even up to 16 times streak win and that's the power of luck. And if that will happen in your life and every bet is a biggest bet they you can earn a lot you became a millionaire but it's temporary because once you start failing or losing then you will not stop or we can say that you can not control your emotions then all that money will gone.

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Quote from: madnessteat on May 04, 2023, 03:15:01 PM

In my opinion, before we continue this conversation, we need to clearly understand that investing is a way to make money (sometimes very risky) and gambling is entertainment. I would advise against making the wrong associations in your head, as some do, and not trying to get rich in a casino, as it depends on luck, not desire, amount of money or free time.

This is correct, that's the difference between investing and gambling. But it's much better to avoid arguing with the gamblers that don't have their minds open.
These types of people will argue with you until the next morning and won't allow you to win any rounds of your debate. So, just oblige what they say and you've got your own point.
It's pointless to have these arguments win by you as you've got nothing to gain, you've a point and they got a point as well that they believe they're correct above everyone else.

You can't win an argument to people who are not open to any opinion of others.
Well, if you know what you're doing, you don't need to make a debate with other people.
Just continue what you think is best for your money, because later on, they will see the results of your effort.
The will soon find out that you still have some of your satoshis, whereas, most of them have lost theirs with their bets.
So who do you think is the real winner? The one with satoshis at the end or the ones who lost it?
So for me, you don't need to win on this argument, just look at the outcome of your activities.

Winning the argument doesn't gonna benefit in any means. It simply gives way to further discussion which is once again gonna turn useless as the minds weren't open. Good is to look upon our own activities and stay safe. We can give suggestions based on experience, when someone isn't ready to accept it is good to move.

As said it isn't the conversation that wins, we need to win with our holdings. This requires patience, regular savings and close observation of the market which lets you take the right decision (buy/sell and further based on the price make a buying/selling).

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Quote from: passwordnow on May 04, 2023, 04:16:39 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on May 04, 2023, 03:15:01 PM

In my opinion, before we continue this conversation, we need to clearly understand that investing is a way to make money (sometimes very risky) and gambling is entertainment. I would advise against making the wrong associations in your head, as some do, and not trying to get rich in a casino, as it depends on luck, not desire, amount of money or free time.

This is correct, that's the difference between investing and gambling. But it's much better to avoid arguing with the gamblers that don't have their minds open.
These types of people will argue with you until the next morning and won't allow you to win any rounds of your debate. So, just oblige what they say and you've got your own point.
It's pointless to have these arguments win by you as you've got nothing to gain, you've a point and they got a point as well that they believe they're correct above everyone else.

You can't win an argument to people who are not open to any opinion of others.
Well, if you know what you're doing, you don't need to make a debate with other people.
Just continue what you think is best for your money, because later on, they will see the results of your effort.
The will soon find out that you still have some of your satoshis, whereas, most of them have lost theirs with their bets.
So who do you think is the real winner? The one with satoshis at the end or the ones who lost it?
So for me, you don't need to win on this argument, just look at the outcome of your activities.

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Quote from: Negotiation on April 28, 2023, 06:20:44 AM

Bitcoin investing in casinos will have to wait patiently to make a profit bitcoin is a reliable currency with more positive results than negative ones. Gamblers will have to wait until the bull run to see the face of profit bitcoin casinos are popular for accepting bitcoin, an alternative payment method and currency that is never bad to have. Always make sure to backup payment methods that you feel are safe and reliable bitcoin casinos differ from regular online casinos due to their fast transaction times.

I've tried getting a better understanding if what you're referring to, which i couldn't but I think op was simply trying to compare gambling and bitcoin investments which are entirely two separate things and at some points, it seems bitcoin investments always looks more like gambling but since there are technical analysis and if properly done, I think one should be more at the safer end in bitcoin investments especially when it has to do with hodling which has relatively more lesser risk.
Please don't get me wrong and I wasn't quoting you wrongly but I felt I had to make the op clearer to you that the comparison was for bitcoin investments and gambling and not fiat casino and bitcoin casinos.

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Quote from: madnessteat on May 04, 2023, 03:15:01 PM

In my opinion, before we continue this conversation, we need to clearly understand that investing is a way to make money (sometimes very risky) and gambling is entertainment. I would advise against making the wrong associations in your head, as some do, and not trying to get rich in a casino, as it depends on luck, not desire, amount of money or free time.

This is correct, that's the difference between investing and gambling. But it's much better to avoid arguing with the gamblers that don't have their minds open.
These types of people will argue with you until the next morning and won't allow you to win any rounds of your debate. So, just oblige what they say and you've got your own point.
It's pointless to have these arguments win by you as you've got nothing to gain, you've a point and they got a point as well that they believe they're correct above everyone else.

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Bitcoin trading and gambling are both risky, but people have their different views of things. The gambler who is not into cryptocurrency has his reasons for saying that you're similar to a gambler because he must have heard it somewhere about how traders lose so much money in cryptocurrency trading. Excellent bitcoin traders earn more profits, same with excellent gamblers. Differentiating among the side that earns the most money isn't easy, because sometimes a gambler could see a massive profit through gambling. The fact you gamble less doesn't make you an addict, but they think so, and it's their response about you. That defines the fact that everyone's perspective of what you do differs. That's why you shouldn't bother so much and show them results like you did, I'm sure it kept them calm. Hence, I bet that when you leave that circle to a place filled with skilled gamblers they'll show you their gambling profits, which may marvel you to learn that players see such amount of money in gambling. None is far better than the other or far worse than the other. Everyone should focus on what works best for them.

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Quote from: terrorJR on May 04, 2023, 03:47:15 PM

Quote from: klidex on May 04, 2023, 03:25:52 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on May 04, 2023, 03:15:01 PM

Quote from: panganib999 on May 04, 2023, 01:17:37 PM

^

In my opinion, before we continue this conversation, we need to clearly understand that investing is a way to make money (sometimes very risky) and gambling is entertainment. I would advise against making the wrong associations in your head, as some do, and not trying to get rich in a casino, as it depends on luck, not desire, amount of money or free time.

Actually, I have said about this issue on several pages of this thread, but everyone has different thoughts and I think I agree with your statement that gambling is a place of entertainment to seek pleasure, which is very different from investment.
Even though this investment itself is not a place to look for luck, not like gambling, but the rest is like saving gold.

As long as we continue to be aware of things like this, then I don't think it's a problem to make this a place to relax ourselves from some conditions where life is tiring.
As long as we know the limits of gambling, in fact things like this are not things that really make us upset, it's just that there are not a few irregularities that occur that make this uncontrollable for some people because the notion that gambling will always be profitable for them in gambling.

It is very good for us to always weigh our weakness and try as much to know our limit when it comes to some certain things so that we are not going to end up becoming a victim of circumstances that could be a detriment to our health and wellbeing.

What I know is that gambling is not for everybody because there are some persons that do not know how to control themselves when it comes to feelings and how they could regulate there gambling activities. We need always look for s way to make sure that we get solution to our problems if we discovered that we have some lapses that could affect our gambling lifestyle.

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Quote from: klidex on May 04, 2023, 03:25:52 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on May 04, 2023, 03:15:01 PM

Quote from: panganib999 on May 04, 2023, 01:17:37 PM

^

In my opinion, before we continue this conversation, we need to clearly understand that investing is a way to make money (sometimes very risky) and gambling is entertainment. I would advise against making the wrong associations in your head, as some do, and not trying to get rich in a casino, as it depends on luck, not desire, amount of money or free time.

Actually, I have said about this issue on several pages of this thread, but everyone has different thoughts and I think I agree with your statement that gambling is a place of entertainment to seek pleasure, which is very different from investment.
Even though this investment itself is not a place to look for luck, not like gambling, but the rest is like saving gold.

As long as we continue to be aware of things like this, then I don't think it's a problem to make this a place to relax ourselves from some conditions where life is tiring.
As long as we know the limits of gambling, in fact things like this are not things that really make us upset, it's just that there are not a few irregularities that occur that make this uncontrollable for some people because the notion that gambling will always be profitable for them in gambling.

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Quote from: klidex on May 04, 2023, 03:25:52 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on May 04, 2023, 03:15:01 PM

Quote from: panganib999 on May 04, 2023, 01:17:37 PM

^

In my opinion, before we continue this conversation, we need to clearly understand that investing is a way to make money (sometimes very risky) and gambling is entertainment. I would advise against making the wrong associations in your head, as some do, and not trying to get rich in a casino, as it depends on luck, not desire, amount of money or free time.

Actually, I have said about this issue on several pages of this thread, but everyone has different thoughts and I think I agree with your statement that gambling is a place of entertainment to seek pleasure, which is very different from investment.
Even though this investment itself is not a place to look for luck, not like gambling, but the rest is like saving gold.

Right, there's exactly no point why we should treat gambling like an investment because even if their odds is the same where profits is not guaranteed, it is still different in various ways. I know there are some people who are called professional gamblers but even these kinds of people also got their own share of big losses especially before they got that what they have.

We should know that investment and gambling is two different things and we couldn't really associate these two because it will just result into a big mess.

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Quote from: madnessteat on May 04, 2023, 03:15:01 PM

Quote from: panganib999 on May 04, 2023, 01:17:37 PM

^

In my opinion, before we continue this conversation, we need to clearly understand that investing is a way to make money (sometimes very risky) and gambling is entertainment. I would advise against making the wrong associations in your head, as some do, and not trying to get rich in a casino, as it depends on luck, not desire, amount of money or free time.

Actually, I have said about this issue on several pages of this thread, but everyone has different thoughts and I think I agree with your statement that gambling is a place of entertainment to seek pleasure, which is very different from investment.
Even though this investment itself is not a place to look for luck, not like gambling, but the rest is like saving gold.

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Quote from: panganib999 on May 04, 2023, 01:17:37 PM

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In my opinion, before we continue this conversation, we need to clearly understand that investing is a way to make money (sometimes very risky) and gambling is entertainment. I would advise against making the wrong associations in your head, as some do, and not trying to get rich in a casino, as it depends on luck, not desire, amount of money or free time.

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So basically, they are projecting upon you their deepest insecurities and all the shitty things that their stupid mental is making them feel every time they gamble. They felt like you are higher up than them since you make money out of your craft while they themselves scramble for luck. Unless this discussion sprung from a discussion/argument between you guys. In any case, no matter who started who I'd side with investing over gambling. Investing takes time and effort as well as years of honed skill and discipline to be somewhat good at it. Gambling takes no skill to learn and lose from (lmao), and most of all nothing but a way to past time and spend disposable money with.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 25, 2023, 06:30:54 AM

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Gambling and Bitcoin investment are totally different as we all know that from the word Gambling there are two things in outcome because sometimes you will win and sometimes you will loss. And in gambling not all the time we can make a profit it because all things are based on luck and if we have our luck the
We will in but if there's no luck then we will loss. While in investment In Bitcoin there's assurances that in the long run we can make a profit not only less profit but a huge profit but it takes too long and not just easy to invest.

Only people who buy bitcoins recklessly would make bitcoin investing a gamble, especially if they cannot hold bitcoin as a long-term investment and finally decide to sell their bitcoins when the price decreases.

People who use this method are gambling with their money because instead of wanting to profit, they will lose. They buy cheaply and hope to sell when the price increases. But it turned out that the price dropped deeper and made them panic and sell their bitcoins immediately.

They will find no profit in investing in bitcoin but will only lose money. And if so, it would amount to gambling. But if they can hold their bitcoins even though the price is still dropping, they have the potential to make a profit. And it will not be the same as gambling, which will make them lose their money without recovering their losses.

You are right and that's just be a lesson to learn if people want to enter the wok of investment like what you said that investment in bitcoin is not just like lighting that only a few times will boom and you've got a profit. But it takes more time to hold because the price is volatile which means we didn't know when to fall and when to rise so it's better to stay focused in our investment and don't let your greedines will take over you.

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Gambling is very addictive, gambling less can only help you if you are not putting it to heart which I not possible but I must say that once you are into gambling it will be almost impossible for you not gamble more unless you are just a beginner that just want to give it a benefit of doubt but once you win a bet generally you will gradually see yourself graduating into a full gambler.

yes, I feel it. for some reason, some of the games in the casino and football betting are very interesting to me. it makes me always bet and set aside some of my money to gamble. there is no problem with this, as long as we can control what we will bet.
All gamblers are aware that games from casinos are indeed made for the curiosity of gamblers. that's for us to keep playing.

This is not the case for you alone but it is most likely the case and of course that includes me as one of them.
This condition is never inevitable because of course there is always a desire to feel the sensation and feel something is missing if it is not done.
But as you say, there is no problem with that because as long as we can control this then it is not a problem.
It's just a small fraction of what we get so it's not a problem because I still consider it a self reward to myself to relax more. Even though things like gambling are not good, as long as we know the limits of what we're doing I think there's no problem with it.

Unlike you, not all can control this habit from becoming a problem for them and its very bad and sad to see such people make gambling a must do act. Some people go as far dreaming to make it an every day means of making profit which we all know is impossible because this act can turn a destruction for you when we become obsessed with it. Knowing your limits to gambling is the only way to successfully abstain from becoming an gambling addict and only few gambling have this capability.

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Nothing that we spend on hoping to make money from isn't safe. Some are just relatively lower on risk, but the risk is there. This comparison is, IMO, not really useful since these are two different facets. You can gamble less money on gambling platforms, but if you invested more and lost a lot more in there, I don't think you can even consider it a win. We choose where to spend our money, but saying that one is better than the other just because you're winning on it doesn't mean that everyone should do it too.

But people tend to use more money than other people because they want to win more. The risk is bigger than other people because they are using more money and seem to know about it and do it anyway. And those who are risking little money on gambling platforms may want to prevent the risk from getting big, so they think using less money will be better for them. But if there are different opinions, that's also up to them because maybe people don't understand it, so they will argue according to their thoughts.

Yeah you are right. There are people who gamble more than they can afford to lose and there are others who gamble within their limits.
The latter ones are generally more clam because they don't stress over their losses while the prior ones always take higher risks and stress over higher losses.
It's their choice though and we can't really argue with a person if he knows he's taking high risk and still wanna do it.

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You think, they are still talking about bitcoin. Even in Bitcoin is not a very safe currency. The market is not regulated or regulated and no one is able to stop their gambling habits. It is easy and smooth to play gambling.

Depends on what you consider Bitcoin can be called as safe.

If you think the volatility make Bitcoin isn't safe, then it will never been safe from the beginning.
If you think the regulation make Bitcoin isn't safe, you still have a choice to use Bitcoin even though it's get banned in your country.
If you think the security and network in Bitcoin isn't safe, you're wrong.

Regulations to ban gambling can reduce people to not gamble, but it will not stop 100% since you can still use VPN or gamble on an unlicensed casino.

In the beginning, I think BTC's volatility isn't high as today because there are still less people who are using it. Regulation helps somehow to scare or caught the criminals and it's said to make BTC stable. BTC network is now strong or secure because there's so many people now who are involved in BTC but there are rumors that it can be attacked in the future by the super computers. That's the thing that we will see but for now, there is no need to panic.

There are so many ways to play gambling not only online or on a designated casino offline. People can still play card games, mahjong and others inside their homes without the authorities knowing it.

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Quote from: Shamm on May 03, 2023, 12:04:20 PM

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 25, 2023, 06:30:54 AM

<..>

Gambling and Bitcoin investment are totally different as we all know that from the word Gambling there are two things in outcome because sometimes you will win and sometimes you will loss. And in gambling not all the time we can make a profit it because all things are based on luck and if we have our luck the
We will in but if there's no luck then we will loss. While in investment In Bitcoin there's assurances that in the long run we can make a profit not only less profit but a huge profit but it takes too long and not just easy to invest.

Only people who buy bitcoins recklessly would make bitcoin investing a gamble, especially if they cannot hold bitcoin as a long-term investment and finally decide to sell their bitcoins when the price decreases.

People who use this method are gambling with their money because instead of wanting to profit, they will lose. They buy cheaply and hope to sell when the price increases. But it turned out that the price dropped deeper and made them panic and sell their bitcoins immediately.

They will find no profit in investing in bitcoin but will only lose money. And if so, it would amount to gambling. But if they can hold their bitcoins even though the price is still dropping, they have the potential to make a profit. And it will not be the same as gambling, which will make them lose their money without recovering their losses.

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