Topic: I didn't pay capital gains tax on bitcoin sales to IRS today - page 6. (Read 24100 times)

Once again, the argument for paying taxes has defaulted to "I don't want to go to jail".

If the only reason is a threat, than you're conceding the moral argument.

Advise that remains valid.
You guys would be better off if you just ignore sage.
Sage seems to just like instigating conflicts.

The fact that Sage is not in jail indicates to me that he is all talk.  If you really were flaunting that you weren't paying taxes you'd be in jail.  It has happened to many, many people. Hey listen if you were withholding taxes for some other reason, like you disagreed with war or the US killing people, I'd support you.  I agree with that premise but I don't want to go to jail.

You didn't answer my question. Where does the "The Constitution & Bill of Rights" says, that you are not allowed to drive too fast?

I already answered that question. Look closely.

No turvarya YOU obviously don't understand laws.

The Constitution & Bill of Rights supersedes ANY & all laws of the land.  Any law that is unconstitutional is null & void!  Otherwise why the hell would we have a Constitution & Bill of Rights?

Perhaps you should stick to commenting about your own country's system of law & not one you're completely ignorant about.



 

You obviously don't understand laws.
It's not like every law is written in a constitution. That's not the function of a constitution. A constitution just has some Basic laws.
I don't think, that in your (US) constitution there is anything written about driving too fast. Still, if a cop caught you driving too fast, would you just refuse to pay up, because it "subverts" the constitution?

Sucking up donuts and coffee while monitoring all the "forums of interest."
OPs tax dollars hard at work

Scum or otherwise the reality is that this is an open forum and I would expect government informants and agents to be present here.

OMG what's this waffling?

Now you're openly admitting to the skullduggery used to railroad a man that was exposing the fraud.  Whereas before you tried to use lawyer tricks to justify Dawson's skullduggery?

WTF???

It's okay in your book to subvert the Constitution?  To do away with the right to due process?  To use skullduggery in a courtroom?  For a federal judge to railroad a man.  Putting him jail for life, because it would expose that fraud?

All because you believe that system is justified?  All for the "greater good"...

Where have we heard that kind of logic before... Hint:  Communist Russia, Nazi Germany, & every genocidal regime before & since.

Which is exactly what the powers behind the Federal Reserve & the income tax scam are conducting right now... genocide.

Good Lord...bbeagle are you that ignorant?  Or just brainwashed beyond hope?  Or have they bought you off too?

I just wanted to point out that you are making money from the Internet, which was initially developed by the Federal government of the United States, using income taxes "extorted" from us tax paying citizens.  Without the federal government's help, the network would have never gotten off the ground, because it took decades until it was profitable.  You can pretend that the internet would have developed without the government, but if it did, we be using set top boxes that only downloaded content from big businesses that could afford the economic barriers to become content providers.

You might find a different line of work if not being a hypocrite is important to you.

Government informants have been the scum of society for millenia, the same scum that every police state inevitably slips on and breaks its neck in its final demise.

If you welcome and support Stasi tactics from your government you are one sick MF.

You are welcome to your scum and the law of the jungle they usher in ...

You might as well talk to a rock as talk to Dank.

At least the rock will not waste your time by replying.

My $.02.

Sage, I guess I'm on the other side of the fence than you are, therefore I see this differently. There is nothing for me to 'Wake Up' to - I have a different philosophy than you do. I would say the same 'Wake Up' to you before you end up in jail.

I agree that Americans need to pay the income tax. I know the court MUST use skullduggery because, technically, income tax is not in the Constitution. I don't have a problem with that - because I feel that Americans must all pay income tax for the good of the country, I do not support the idea that you can question this in the court.

There have been numerous court cases brought to the Supreme Court in which the Supreme Court has ruled that people must pay their taxes. For example, Cheek vs. United States: ' The Court ruled that an actual belief that the tax law is invalid or unconstitutional is not a good faith belief based on a misunderstanding caused by the complexity of the tax law, and is not a defense.'

Spoken like a lawyer who tries to twist the truth.

"Assumed to be a law"... What kind of court is that won't even allow the law (or lack of) to be introduced into the case that the defendant is said to be breaking.

"I will not allow the law in my courtroom" was Dawson's response to Irwin Schiff's attempt introduce supreme court rulings to support his case.  Completely relevant rulings to his case.

Yes, they used every dirty trick in the book in that case.  Every dirty trick.  It could not be more blatant a railroad job.  Read the transcripts yourself, bbeagle.  Then reread your last post, and laugh at your logic... cause it's laughable to try to use that logic to justify Dawson's own comments.

Lastly, if there was a law that obligated the average American to pay the income tax they most certainly would allow it in the court room... rather then using all this skullduggery.

Wake up!  There's a reason tax cases aren't tried in a true criminal court.

Okay. I read what you wrote. It sounded unbelievable, so I looked it up myself.

Yes, Judge Kent J. Dawson did indeed say, "I will not allow the law in my courtroom". But what he said is being misinterpreted. He did NOT say that his court is lawless, but instead was following the laws of the court.

Under the U.S. legal system, the general rule is that neither side in a civil or criminal case is allowed to try to prove to the jury what the law is. For example, in a murder case the defendant is not generally allowed to persuade the jury that there is no law against murder, or to try to interpret the law for the jury. Likewise, the prosecution is not allowed to try to persuade the jury about what the law is, or how it should be interpreted.

It would take too much of the court's time to (a) prove that the crime was actually a law broken, (b) prove the defendant guilty/innocent. So, after an incident is brought up to the court - part A is decided BEFORE THE TRIAL. Part B is decided upon AT THE TRIAL. All lawyers know this. Otherwise every single trial would take 10 time what it does now, because the law would have to be proven again and again and again.

So, when you go to court to fight 'not paying your taxes', you CANNOT claim that 'there is no law that says you must pay your taxes'. There is assumed to be a law (or the court case would have been thrown out previously).

Anything Sage says in the future, I'll have to verify, or I won't believe now. He's taking things out of context.

Yes, you won't get the 'rule of law' in the tax court, i.e. whether the tax law is legal or not - you only get to defend yourself against the existing tax code.

It's been over 14 years since learning the truth about that scam system.  And then choosing to do the only ethical/moral thing, absolutely refusing to enable that evil system from there on out, I have not received one single letter, or notice of for "payment" of any kind.

When trying to comply with that scam I was constantly assaulted with nuisance notices from the scam that is the IRS.  

It's those that try to comply with that scam that they know they can extract yet more wealth from that they hassle.

Why else to do they force you to sign on the dotted line?  Don't fall for that first step of entrapment.

Treat them like you would the mob.  Get your assets out of their reach.  Refuse to use their scam system, and they'll move onto more easily exploited sheep.

Of course if we all did that we wouldn't need the services LostDutchman provides.  God forbid the agents  to that system (LostDutchman) would then actually have to engage in a biz that actually did add value to the world.

Poor Sage.

We should all send him letters after he is locked up.

My $.02.

Plants like Botolo...

Stay legal?  How can you stay legal with an ILLEGAL organization that pulls rulings out of the air, without any authority of law to do so, & then applies them retroactively.

Then anyone they want to target, selectively prosecute in yet another shame, illegal court system known as the "tax court".  You gotta ask yourself why tax cases are not tried in a criminal court. 

You really think you'll get any rule of law in the tax court?

Here's a few quotes from the tax court for you to ponder...

"I will not allow the law in my courtroom"
U.S. District Court Judge Kent J. Dawson

And another quote by the same traitor to the Constitution & the American people...
"You must follow the law as I give it to you."

Wake up.  They don't follow the law.

The only solution to the Federal Reserve scam & their collection agency the IRS is to refuse to participate.

Treat them like you would the mob.  Keep all assets out of their reach.  And simply refuse to participate in that scam.

I think you are correct and I am quite certain that the IRS and perhaps other "three-letter" agencies have plants here.

They tend to do that sort of thing, you know.

Stay legal people; find ways to minimise tax and go on!

My $.02.

By posting a message on this forum, you are not making a direct challenge to the IRS. If you want to make a direct challenge to the IRS, have someone report you to the IRS and we will then see whether you are right or wrong. I have the feeling that they will be able to find something because, as stated before, the ramifications of your financial expenditures do not stop on your person but they continue and reach anyone you have been in contact with.