Topic: I got SCAMMED by bitbox.mx!!! (Read 12836 times)
ok, my bad. got my money back. case closed. i won't bother you guys on this thread anymore!
Yeah, op stop being a bitch.
I got my btc. I suggest op provide documents they want.
I had to mark the payment as "fraudulent" with my bank. Got my money back. Also filled with the BBB (not that I think it will matter a lot), also looking for other agencies to file with.
Hope these scammers are brought to justice soon!!
Could you post your real name in here? I can't be arsed to go all prism on you right now because it's so early and I'm not up to my level of caffeine and I need to add you to my little black book of people never to do business with. Thanks.
I don't believe they are scammers. They don't have the experience yet and have bugs but they are very legit or try to be. I got everything.
I got my btc. I suggest op provide documents they want.
I had to mark the payment as "fraudulent" with my bank. Got my money back. Also filled with the BBB (not that I think it will matter a lot), also looking for other agencies to file with.
Hope these scammers are brought to justice soon!!
Well they pay. Stop being a Bitch and give them documents. Obviously something set off flags about you. I deposited $1000 without documents.
so in short they are not scamming you by asking you for ID. they are simply following the rules, which most customers are not use to
Problem here was, unless I've misunderstood, that they first accepted the payment, and then asked for ID.This makes no sense.
If ID was required, they shouldn't allow you to pay first, they should have first asked for the ID, and once they received it they should have given the user the payment address.
I got my btc. I suggest op provide documents they want.
as a guy that likes to search out scammers and shame them.
i am afraid to say bitbox.mx is not a shady scamming company.
infact if you search fincens website
http://www.fincen.gov/financial_institutions/msb/msbstateselector.html
and search 'bit' in the company name and search all states there are only 2 businesses with Bit in their company name that have full MSB licences for all US states.
bitbox being one of them
because they are fully licenced they have to BY law set up strict policies and money (dollar) control processes. which they have laid out in their terms and services.
by customers not conforming to these terms, makes the customers in breach of the rules.
no where in law does it say that customers should be refunded automatically if being investigated as part of fincen guidelines/ company handbook. otherwise wouldnt paypal, banks etc require warrants purely to freeze accounts. no!
MSB can freeze an account for any reason deemed high risk.. which strangely enough includes, but is not limited to receiving a warrant order from a court. it may also include other items such as account holder is on a government watch list. received information from a third party, or even simple matters of suspicious amounts.
so in short they are not scamming you by asking you for ID. they are simply following the rules, which most customers are not use to, due to the fact that customers have become too comfortable with other non-licenced companies relaxed or lack of policies. thus thinking that no policies is the norm. which infact is not the case
this is both a good thing that bitbox is fully licenced, which means they have the experience, training and understanding of how to handle money(dollars). but also the bureaucratic nightmare of government, which bitcoin customers want to avoid.
i am afraid to say bitbox.mx is not a shady scamming company.
infact if you search fincens website
http://www.fincen.gov/financial_institutions/msb/msbstateselector.html
and search 'bit' in the company name and search all states there are only 2 businesses with Bit in their company name that have full MSB licences for all US states.
bitbox being one of them
Quote
MSB Registration Status Information
Date: 06/29/2013
The inclusion of a business on the MSB Registrant Search Web page is not a recommendation,
certification of legitimacy, or endorsement of the business by any government agency.
The MSB Registrant Search Web page, which is updated on a weekly basis, contains entities that have registered as Money Services Businesses (MSBs)
pursuant to the Bank Secrecy Act (BSA) regulations at 31 CFR 1022.380(a)-(f), administered by the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN).
Information contained on this site has been provided by the MSB registrant. FinCEN does not verify information submitted by the MSB.
Information provided on this site reflects only what was provided directly to FinCEN. If an error or incomplete information is detected
on this site, the registrant should follow the appropriate instructions for correcting a Registration of Money Services Business (RMSB) form.
MSB Registration Number: 31000028630016
Registration Type: Initial Registration, Corrected Report
Legal Name: BitBox LLC
DBA Name: BitBox
Street Address: 500 E Washington St, Suite 10
City: Ann Arbor
State: MICHIGAN
Zip: 48104
MSB Activities:
Money transmitter
States of MSB Activities:
Alabama, Alaska, American Samoa, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District Of Columbia,
Federated States Of Micronesia, Florida, Georgia, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas,
Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Marshall Islands, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri,
Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Northern Mariana Islands,
Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Palau, Pennsylvania, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee,
Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virgin Islands, US, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming
All States & Territories & Foreign Flag: All States/Territories
Number of Branches:
Authorized Signature Date: 06/17/2013
Received Date: 06/18/2013
Date: 06/29/2013
The inclusion of a business on the MSB Registrant Search Web page is not a recommendation,
certification of legitimacy, or endorsement of the business by any government agency.
The MSB Registrant Search Web page, which is updated on a weekly basis, contains entities that have registered as Money Services Businesses (MSBs)
pursuant to the Bank Secrecy Act (BSA) regulations at 31 CFR 1022.380(a)-(f), administered by the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN).
Information contained on this site has been provided by the MSB registrant. FinCEN does not verify information submitted by the MSB.
Information provided on this site reflects only what was provided directly to FinCEN. If an error or incomplete information is detected
on this site, the registrant should follow the appropriate instructions for correcting a Registration of Money Services Business (RMSB) form.
MSB Registration Number: 31000028630016
Registration Type: Initial Registration, Corrected Report
Legal Name: BitBox LLC
DBA Name: BitBox
Street Address: 500 E Washington St, Suite 10
City: Ann Arbor
State: MICHIGAN
Zip: 48104
MSB Activities:
Money transmitter
States of MSB Activities:
Alabama, Alaska, American Samoa, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District Of Columbia,
Federated States Of Micronesia, Florida, Georgia, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas,
Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Marshall Islands, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri,
Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Northern Mariana Islands,
Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Palau, Pennsylvania, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee,
Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virgin Islands, US, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming
All States & Territories & Foreign Flag: All States/Territories
Number of Branches:
Authorized Signature Date: 06/17/2013
Received Date: 06/18/2013
because they are fully licenced they have to BY law set up strict policies and money (dollar) control processes. which they have laid out in their terms and services.
by customers not conforming to these terms, makes the customers in breach of the rules.
no where in law does it say that customers should be refunded automatically if being investigated as part of fincen guidelines/ company handbook. otherwise wouldnt paypal, banks etc require warrants purely to freeze accounts. no!
MSB can freeze an account for any reason deemed high risk.. which strangely enough includes, but is not limited to receiving a warrant order from a court. it may also include other items such as account holder is on a government watch list. received information from a third party, or even simple matters of suspicious amounts.
so in short they are not scamming you by asking you for ID. they are simply following the rules, which most customers are not use to, due to the fact that customers have become too comfortable with other non-licenced companies relaxed or lack of policies. thus thinking that no policies is the norm. which infact is not the case
this is both a good thing that bitbox is fully licenced, which means they have the experience, training and understanding of how to handle money(dollars). but also the bureaucratic nightmare of government, which bitcoin customers want to avoid.
Just wanted to re-repost this. 
Just wanted to re-repost this.
/facepalm
Where's the "scammers tried to help me, I didn't listen" meme when you need it?!?
Where's the "scammers tried to help me, I didn't listen" meme when you need it?!?
To quote a very wise man:
The company asking the client to report the transfer as fraudulent with their bank in order to have funds returned should set off some alarm bells. Does that sound "normal" to you?
Well I've gotten most of my 9.9 btc out. Took 8 transactions so far trying random amounts. Still 1.2 stuck.
Called my bank, and you are right! ACH reversals can be made!
But I'll have to go to the branch in person, fill out a couple of forms, and wait ~10 business days to get my deposit back....
I still blame BitBox for all the wastage of time, and holding up of my money!!!
/facepalmBut I'll have to go to the branch in person, fill out a couple of forms, and wait ~10 business days to get my deposit back....
I still blame BitBox for all the wastage of time, and holding up of my money!!!
Where's the "scammers tried to help me, I didn't listen" meme when you need it?!?
Same here, they are a SCAM!
Can't withdraw BTC, keeps saying withdrawal limit!
BEWARE!!
AND they allow you to use the same token numbers for a while allowing replay attacks!
Can't withdraw BTC, keeps saying withdrawal limit!
BEWARE!!
AND they allow you to use the same token numbers for a while allowing replay attacks!
There is no law against holding your money if you don't give them ID.
{{citation needed}}{{citation needed}}
Do you think there is not a law agains you holding my money?
Like, in, I don't know, theft?
Either there is a specific clause claiming you can hold my money, or you are breaking the law.
Requesting ID and giving the money after ID is provided in order to not break the law (if you just give and take money, even after they file a support ticket, it's still breaking the law if you don't follow the proper procedures) =/= stealing.
There is no requirement for MSB collect ID before returning funds from an incomplete transaction. However you are asking someone to disprove a negative. The regs for MSBs are publicly available you claim the law requires them to "hang on to" = "steal" so provide a cite for the reg requiring this activity.
As someone who has attended BSA training I will save you some time. There is no requirement, no obligation, there isn't even the right for a company to "hang on to funds". The company can refuse the transaction at which point they are required to return the funds. If the company believes the transaction is suspicious they are obligated to file a SAR. If the company knows ID will be required they are obligated to collect that PRIOR to starting the transaction.
The company asking the client to report the transfer as fraudulent with their bank in order to have funds returned should set off some alarm bells. Does that sound "normal" to you?
Hmmm, that is true, it isn't normal. I'll think about it some more, but it does partially seem like an over-reaction.
There is no law against holding your money if you don't give them ID.
{{citation needed}}{{citation needed}}
Do you think there is not a law agains you holding my money?
Like, in, I don't know, theft?
Either there is a specific clause claiming you can hold my money, or you are breaking the law.
Requesting ID and giving the money after ID is provided in order to not break the law (if you just give and take money, even after they file a support ticket, it's still breaking the law if you don't follow the proper procedures) =/= stealing.
There is no requirement for MSB collect ID before returning funds from an incomplete transaction. However you are asking someone to disprove a negative. The regs for MSBs are publicly available you claim the law requires them to "hang on to" = "steal" so provide a cite for the reg requiring this activity.
As someone who has attended BSA training I will save you some time. There is no requirement, no obligation, there isn't even the right for a company to "hang on to funds". The company can refuse the transaction at which point they are required to return the funds. If the company believes the transaction is suspicious they are obligated to file a SAR. If the company knows ID will be required they are obligated to collect that PRIOR to starting the transaction.
The company asking the client to report the transfer as fraudulent with their bank in order to have funds returned should set off some alarm bells. Does that sound "normal" to you?
There is no law against holding your money if you don't give them ID.
{{citation needed}}{{citation needed}}
Do you think there is not a law agains you holding my money?
Like, in, I don't know, theft?
Either there is a specific clause claiming you can hold my money, or you are breaking the law.
Requesting ID and giving the money after ID is provided in order to not break the law (if you just give and take money, even after they file a support ticket, it's still breaking the law if you don't follow the proper procedures) =/= stealing.
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