Topic: I have solved the problem of complexity in provably fair games - page 4. (Read 2249 times)
December 17, 2023, 08:49:15 AM
Still open for suggestions on whom I might contact.
December 15, 2023, 09:01:45 AM
Math algorithms and methods cannot be registered, do not ask me why, but there is certainly an edge on a first implementation if you move it fast enough.
I agree. They would get customers to register while other platforms are busy implementing my system of provably fair games. It will take some time for them to know about it, make a plan, talk with the developers and then implement it and release it. In the meanwhile, the platform who implemented it first will get many new customers.
I think you are overestimating the competitive edge a casino gets from provably fair gaming. Casinos want a good reputation among their potential customers. So if your system can get them that then that's what you should pitch.
PF is not some magic bullet that will increase business though. Many casinos operate without it on their reputation alone, casinos with a robust PF system can and do go out of business.
Perhaps their business is even better, regardless of whether players know whether the games are provably fair at a given casino or whether these are unsubstantiated claims by the casino devs. And they don’t need any verification algorithms at all. In addition, I don’t think that the casino’s customer base is seriously increasing from such an essentially marketing technique as a public statement by the casino about the introduction of algorithms for checking provable fairness. Most likely, the increase in the client base is estimated at a few percent and does not seriously increase the flow of funds to the casino’s balance sheet and its profits.
And if this is approximately the case, then it may indeed be difficult to find among casino managers the interest of a manager who actually resolves issues in the implementation of algorithms for checking provable fairnesss.
December 02, 2023, 10:49:41 AM
If you created a new and better provably fair engine that's cool, but once a casino hire you to implement it then it will become public because the casino has to explain to the users how it works.
And i don't see the current provably fair engines as complex as you mention, they have logic and they already let the users verify their rolls.
A provably fair engine must have 3 elements:
-Server Seed.
-User Seed.
-Nonce.
If you skip any of those inputs then your engine isn't provably fair, that why it would be nice to know your system to be able to compare it with the current ones the casinos have and decide if it's better or not.
And i don't see the current provably fair engines as complex as you mention, they have logic and they already let the users verify their rolls.
A provably fair engine must have 3 elements:
-Server Seed.
-User Seed.
-Nonce.
If you skip any of those inputs then your engine isn't provably fair, that why it would be nice to know your system to be able to compare it with the current ones the casinos have and decide if it's better or not.
You don’t see it as complex? Are you a developer? How do you verify your bets?
Yes that is correct about what you mention for the 3 elements.
Yes, I'm a developer, the way I verify my bets is almost the same in all the provably fair engines.
1.-You make a string with the SSeed, USeed and the Nonce. then get the sha256 from that string.
2.-take the last 4 digits from the sha256 change from hex to Dec for dice and to binary for plinko.
Those 3 elements are necessary for the next reason:
-Server Seed: To avoid the user predicting the next roll (That's why it comes hashed and user can see it after getting new seed.)
-User Seed: To avoid the house manipulate the bet result.
-Nonce: To have a different result in the next bet with the same seeds.
So, I'm really curious about your method, if you don't have one of these elements then the bet can be rigged from the user or house side.
I know you must be really curious, and I also can’t wait to share my system, but unfortunately I haven’t had the opportunity yet.
Yes I was pretty sure you were a developer, if you don’t find understanding and verifying the provably fair games a difficult task (at least in the beginning). My system is destined to non developers, who know a little bit about crypto and computers to be able to use a crypto casino.
November 29, 2023, 05:06:28 PM
Math algorithms and methods cannot be registered, do not ask me why, but there is certainly an edge on a first implementation if you move it fast enough.
I agree. They would get customers to register while other platforms are busy implementing my system of provably fair games. It will take some time for them to know about it, make a plan, talk with the developers and then implement it and release it. In the meanwhile, the platform who implemented it first will get many new customers.
I think you are overestimating the competitive edge a casino gets from provably fair gaming. Casinos want a good reputation among their potential customers. So if your system can get them that then that's what you should pitch.
PF is not some magic bullet that will increase business though. Many casinos operate without it on their reputation alone, casinos with a robust PF system can and do go out of business.
November 29, 2023, 03:03:41 PM
If you created a new and better provably fair engine that's cool, but once a casino hire you to implement it then it will become public because the casino has to explain to the users how it works.
And i don't see the current provably fair engines as complex as you mention, they have logic and they already let the users verify their rolls.
A provably fair engine must have 3 elements:
-Server Seed.
-User Seed.
-Nonce.
If you skip any of those inputs then your engine isn't provably fair, that why it would be nice to know your system to be able to compare it with the current ones the casinos have and decide if it's better or not.
And i don't see the current provably fair engines as complex as you mention, they have logic and they already let the users verify their rolls.
A provably fair engine must have 3 elements:
-Server Seed.
-User Seed.
-Nonce.
If you skip any of those inputs then your engine isn't provably fair, that why it would be nice to know your system to be able to compare it with the current ones the casinos have and decide if it's better or not.
You don’t see it as complex? Are you a developer? How do you verify your bets?
Yes that is correct about what you mention for the 3 elements.
Yes, I'm a developer, the way I verify my bets is almost the same in all the provably fair engines.
1.-You make a string with the SSeed, USeed and the Nonce. then get the sha256 from that string.
2.-take the last 4 digits from the sha256 change from hex to Dec for dice and to binary for plinko.
Those 3 elements are necessary for the next reason:
-Server Seed: To avoid the user predicting the next roll (That's why it comes hashed and user can see it after getting new seed.)
-User Seed: To avoid the house manipulate the bet result.
-Nonce: To have a different result in the next bet with the same seeds.
So, I'm really curious about your method, if you don't have one of these elements then the bet can be rigged from the user or house side.
November 29, 2023, 12:26:27 PM
are you an open source fan? i am...
how about you just say what your idea is- you seem like a smart guy, you will have more ideas... and maybe next time they will align better with your skill set so you can utilize it.
if you dont/cant make your own site, just say the idea and take pride and joy in possibly bettering an industry we all, obviously, care about. its very hard to make money from an idea you cant grow yourself.
just spill it. i mean, what are we here for? to give you business advice?
how about you just say what your idea is- you seem like a smart guy, you will have more ideas... and maybe next time they will align better with your skill set so you can utilize it.
if you dont/cant make your own site, just say the idea and take pride and joy in possibly bettering an industry we all, obviously, care about. its very hard to make money from an idea you cant grow yourself.
just spill it. i mean, what are we here for? to give you business advice?
November 29, 2023, 10:45:23 AM
Isn't it more better that we allow everybody to claim what they want or they are into, why i say this is for them to be able to get their own satisfaction well enough beyond their conviction and then they get contempted, then they will be able to know their own limit for whatever they are bringing to others as if it could always be the solution to other's people's problem, gambling is far beto what we think we can on our own self solve the problem, even the gambling casinos couldn't, how much us.
Spamming to meet post requirements should be severely punished. This account should be tagged. November 27, 2023, 04:54:27 PM
Isn't it more better that we allow everybody to claim what they want or they are into, why i say this is for them to be able to get their own satisfaction well enough beyond their conviction and then they get contempted, then they will be able to know their own limit for whatever they are bringing to others as if it could always be the solution to other's people's problem, gambling is far beto what we think we can on our own self solve the problem, even the gambling casinos couldn't, how much us.
November 27, 2023, 01:07:09 PM
I agree. They would get customers to register while other platforms are busy implementing my system of provably fair games.
I really don't know if you may have been hired by any casino here on this forum, but if not, then I think they are yet to be convinced by this service which you offer, which is also a sign that you actually need to step up your marketing strategy to convince the over 20+ casinos we have here on this forum. But however, there is a statement highlighted bold above which you just said which caught my attention (i.e while other platforms are busy implementing my system of provably fair games. ), which implies that there are many casinos out there which you were able to help implement this strategy of provably fair games, right? So if so, why not give an example of some of the casinos you were able to help implement this method so that casino representatives here could go examine the previous work you did, and if they are satisfied with it, they could likely hire you to come duplicate same on there casino. That's just my simple suggestion. Thank you
What you put in bold means that once a single casino implements it, everyone will see it and follow steps, no doubt about it. It will take some time though, and during that time it would be my client Casino who will get the players. The other casinos don’t need any permission because systems, ways of doing things or algorithms can’t be patented.
November 26, 2023, 01:59:26 PM
I agree. They would get customers to register while other platforms are busy implementing my system of provably fair games.
I really don't know if you may have been hired by any casino here on this forum, but if not, then I think they are yet to be convinced by this service which you offer, which is also a sign that you actually need to step up your marketing strategy to convince the over 20+ casinos we have here on this forum. But however, there is a statement highlighted bold above which you just said which caught my attention (i.e while other platforms are busy implementing my system of provably fair games. ), which implies that there are many casinos out there which you were able to help implement this strategy of provably fair games, right? So if so, why not give an example of some of the casinos you were able to help implement this method so that casino representatives here could go examine the previous work you did, and if they are satisfied with it, they could likely hire you to come duplicate same on there casino. That's just my simple suggestion. Thank you
November 26, 2023, 12:06:10 PM
Math algorithms and methods cannot be registered, do not ask me why, but there is certainly an edge on a first implementation if you move it fast enough.
I agree. They would get customers to register while other platforms are busy implementing my system of provably fair games. It will take some time for them to know about it, make a plan, talk with the developers and then implement it and release it. In the meanwhile, the platform who implemented it first will get many new customers.
November 24, 2023, 08:07:00 AM
Math algorithms and methods cannot be registered, do not ask me why, but there is certainly an edge on a first implementation if you move it fast enough. Why would someone bother to implement if you offer a credible cheap service. I agree that it would be terribly difficult to make a business of implementation, but what about auditing and verification?
November 24, 2023, 04:17:24 AM
If you created a new and better provably fair engine that's cool, but once a casino hire you to implement it then it will become public because the casino has to explain to the users how it works.
And i don't see the current provably fair engines as complex as you mention, they have logic and they already let the users verify their rolls.
A provably fair engine must have 3 elements:
-Server Seed.
-User Seed.
-Nonce.
If you skip any of those inputs then your engine isn't provably fair, that why it would be nice to know your system to be able to compare it with the current ones the casinos have and decide if it's better or not.
And i don't see the current provably fair engines as complex as you mention, they have logic and they already let the users verify their rolls.
A provably fair engine must have 3 elements:
-Server Seed.
-User Seed.
-Nonce.
If you skip any of those inputs then your engine isn't provably fair, that why it would be nice to know your system to be able to compare it with the current ones the casinos have and decide if it's better or not.
You don’t see it as complex? Are you a developer? How do you verify your bets?
Yes that is correct about what you mention for the 3 elements.
November 23, 2023, 05:20:50 PM
Is it actually by what you say or by what the reality is with what you're saying, there are many people who have been here for long time past and were no where to be found because they brought in something they feel could serve it's purpose to realize that what is involved is beyond what they are seing or aiming, this just tells about us that we should be mindful of whatsoever thing we do, there's always a positive and negative aspect of it.
Negative energy should stay far away because I'm focus on gaining excellence, I'm only in for positive vibes and that's definitely what keeps me going. There are these set of people we're supposed to hang around with and not some negative minded individuals that ate always looking forward to acknowledge negativity. That's definitely not how to handle this whole matter. The power of things is in the mouth, we should be extremely careful of the words that do actually come out from mouths because it contains great power than we could even imagine it exists. The truth may be bitter, just as when every trolling users bounce into this forum without going through the right way in the he normal and expected things required from them, we tend to remind them of what's being involved or at stake in every of their necessary steps taken, but OP can as well make it look more real by changing the entire pattern used and let people build their trust in what he offers.
November 23, 2023, 10:04:37 AM
If you created a new and better provably fair engine that's cool, but once a casino hire you to implement it then it will become public because the casino has to explain to the users how it works.
And i don't see the current provably fair engines as complex as you mention, they have logic and they already let the users verify their rolls.
A provably fair engine must have 3 elements:
-Server Seed.
-User Seed.
-Nonce.
If you skip any of those inputs then your engine isn't provably fair, that why it would be nice to know your system to be able to compare it with the current ones the casinos have and decide if it's better or not.
And i don't see the current provably fair engines as complex as you mention, they have logic and they already let the users verify their rolls.
A provably fair engine must have 3 elements:
-Server Seed.
-User Seed.
-Nonce.
If you skip any of those inputs then your engine isn't provably fair, that why it would be nice to know your system to be able to compare it with the current ones the casinos have and decide if it's better or not.
November 23, 2023, 08:25:06 AM
Is it actually by what you say or by what the reality is with what you're saying, there are many people who have been here for long time past and were no where to be found because they brought in something they feel could serve it's purpose to realize that what is involved is beyond what they are seing or aiming, this just tells about us that we should be mindful of whatsoever thing we do, there's always a positive and negative aspect of it.
Negative energy should stay far away because I'm focus on gaining excellence, I'm only in for positive vibes and that's definitely what keeps me going. There are these set of people we're supposed to hang around with and not some negative minded individuals that ate always looking forward to acknowledge negativity. That's definitely not how to handle this whole matter. The power of things is in the mouth, we should be extremely careful of the words that do actually come out from mouths because it contains great power than we could even imagine it exists. I agree with you. Socializing with negative people can be dangerous to our psychological state. Negative people can transfer their negative energy with those they communicate with. As a result of this communication, people can feel stressed. I have noticed more than once that I also feel anxious after communicating with negative people.
November 22, 2023, 02:30:48 PM
Is it actually by what you say or by what the reality is with what you're saying, there are many people who have been here for long time past and were no where to be found because they brought in something they feel could serve it's purpose to realize that what is involved is beyond what they are seing or aiming, this just tells about us that we should be mindful of whatsoever thing we do, there's always a positive and negative aspect of it.
Negative energy should stay far away because I'm focus on gaining excellence, I'm only in for positive vibes and that's definitely what keeps me going. There are these set of people we're supposed to hang around with and not some negative minded individuals that ate always looking forward to acknowledge negativity. That's definitely not how to handle this whole matter. The power of things is in the mouth, we should be extremely careful of the words that do actually come out from mouths because it contains great power than we could even imagine it exists. I like your post. This is very important, but you can never ignore the objective evaluation of things, since some things (in this instance, my provably fair system) are superior to others. That being said, pessimism might bring the best projects down, yeah that’s true.
November 22, 2023, 02:25:28 PM
So how's it been for you OP? Have you caught attention of casino owners by advertising your projects? Were there any sales? Where and when can we expect the system to appear?
If you received no messages and weren't even in talks with any of the already existing casinos, maybe there's no interest in buying it. Maybe the community is fine with the current state of provably fair...
Maybe it's not worth it for them to invest in this project which can cost them a lot of money to implement, as long as there's not enough complaints on the existing system to start looking for alternatives.
I haven’t made any deal. There was a major casino representative (who had written many papers on provably fair and a member of the crypto gambling foundation), we had some discussions, but at the end of the day he was expecting me to just share my paper without any prior agreements, which of course I didn’t want to do.If you received no messages and weren't even in talks with any of the already existing casinos, maybe there's no interest in buying it. Maybe the community is fine with the current state of provably fair...
Maybe it's not worth it for them to invest in this project which can cost them a lot of money to implement, as long as there's not enough complaints on the existing system to start looking for alternatives.
Another casino representative not so reputable contacted me here, so I asked for Escrow, because I am not trusting less reputable members. He did not come back to me.
Maybe you’re right, they don’t want to invest in it, and that current system is fine and nobody’s complaining about it. I will continue with my life as before and no problem.
But in my opinion, there is too many people saying “scam”, and only looking at some posts here show completely false claims and misunderstanding about provably fair. I think the casino who will implement my system will make a killing. Now why no one seems to want make an agreement and see for themselves free of charge first, no one knows, but it is what it is. I contacted Eddie the owner of Stake and Bijan Tehrani as well to no avail. As of now, I think my chances are slim, but who knows, these owners might be too busy managing their funds given their recent success. Perhaps in future they might want to give such a thing more attention.
Anyway…. To answer your question, my system might never see the light, or someone else might discover it.
Please tell us how many casinos or how many games in different casinos you have checked for provably fair algorithms. I don't ask what casinos or games they are, understanding that this is classified information. Just name the number of such checks and how many casinos and games did not successfully pass these checks.
I think such statistics will be very interesting to many players.
November 22, 2023, 12:32:39 AM
Is it actually by what you say or by what the reality is with what you're saying, there are many people who have been here for long time past and were no where to be found because they brought in something they feel could serve it's purpose to realize that what is involved is beyond what they are seing or aiming, this just tells about us that we should be mindful of whatsoever thing we do, there's always a positive and negative aspect of it.
Negative energy should stay far away because I'm focus on gaining excellence, I'm only in for positive vibes and that's definitely what keeps me going. There are these set of people we're supposed to hang around with and not some negative minded individuals that ate always looking forward to acknowledge negativity. That's definitely not how to handle this whole matter. The power of things is in the mouth, we should be extremely careful of the words that do actually come out from mouths because it contains great power than we could even imagine it exists. November 21, 2023, 04:22:32 AM
So how's it been for you OP? Have you caught attention of casino owners by advertising your projects? Were there any sales? Where and when can we expect the system to appear?
If you received no messages and weren't even in talks with any of the already existing casinos, maybe there's no interest in buying it. Maybe the community is fine with the current state of provably fair...
Maybe it's not worth it for them to invest in this project which can cost them a lot of money to implement, as long as there's not enough complaints on the existing system to start looking for alternatives.
I haven’t made any deal. There was a major casino representative (who had written many papers on provably fair and a member of the crypto gambling foundation), we had some discussions, but at the end of the day he was expecting me to just share my paper without any prior agreements, which of course I didn’t want to do.If you received no messages and weren't even in talks with any of the already existing casinos, maybe there's no interest in buying it. Maybe the community is fine with the current state of provably fair...
Maybe it's not worth it for them to invest in this project which can cost them a lot of money to implement, as long as there's not enough complaints on the existing system to start looking for alternatives.
Another casino representative not so reputable contacted me here, so I asked for Escrow, because I am not trusting less reputable members. He did not come back to me.
Maybe you’re right, they don’t want to invest in it, and that current system is fine and nobody’s complaining about it. I will continue with my life as before and no problem.
But in my opinion, there is too many people saying “scam”, and only looking at some posts here show completely false claims and misunderstanding about provably fair. I think the casino who will implement my system will make a killing. Now why no one seems to want make an agreement and see for themselves free of charge first, no one knows, but it is what it is. I contacted Eddie the owner of Stake and Bijan Tehrani as well to no avail. As of now, I think my chances are slim, but who knows, these owners might be too busy managing their funds given their recent success. Perhaps in future they might want to give such a thing more attention.
Anyway…. To answer your question, my system might never see the light, or someone else might discover it.
Please tell us how many casinos or how many games in different casinos you have checked for provably fair algorithms. I don't ask what casinos or games they are, understanding that this is classified information. Just name the number of such checks and how many casinos and games did not successfully pass these checks.
I think such statistics will be very interesting to many players.
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