Topic: I have solved the problem of complexity in provably fair games - page 5. (Read 2249 times)

I haven’t made any deal. There was a major casino representative (who had written many papers on provably fair and a member of the crypto gambling foundation), we had some discussions, but at the end of the day he was expecting me to just share my paper without any prior agreements, which of course I didn’t want to do.

Another casino representative not so reputable contacted me here, so I asked for Escrow, because I am not trusting less reputable members. He did not come back to me.

Maybe you’re right, they don’t want to invest in it, and that current system is fine and nobody’s complaining about it. I will continue with my life as before and no problem.

But in my opinion, there is too many people saying “scam”, and only looking at some posts here show completely false claims and misunderstanding about provably fair. I think the casino who will implement my system will make a killing. Now why no one seems to want make an agreement and see for themselves free of charge first, no one knows, but it is what it is. I contacted Eddie the owner of Stake and Bijan Tehrani as well to no avail. As of now, I think my chances are slim, but who knows, these owners might be too busy managing their funds given their recent success. Perhaps in future they might want to give such a thing more attention.

Anyway…. To answer your question, my system might never see the light, or someone else might discover it.

Is it actually by what you say or by what the reality is with what you're saying, there are many people who have been here for long time past and were no where to be found because they brought in something they feel could serve it's purpose to realize that what is involved is beyond what they are seing or aiming, this just tells about us that we should be mindful of whatsoever thing we do, there's always a positive and negative aspect of it.

So how's it been for you OP? Have you caught attention of casino owners by advertising your projects? Were there any sales? Where and when can we expect the system to appear?
If you received no messages and weren't even in talks with any of the already existing casinos, maybe there's no interest in buying it. Maybe the community is fine with the current state of provably fair...
Maybe it's not worth it for them to invest in this project which can cost them a lot of money to implement, as long as there's not enough complaints on the existing system to start looking for alternatives.

You actually quoted three of us, so I still find it difficult to know the one out of all to whom you directed the first lines of your reply, me or others? And if it's me, then you are the one who didn't understand what I wrote, how could probably fair be in-between? That's not possible and I couldn't have mentioned that. For clarity, as you can see in my reply above, there are three important points which I would like to simplify for you to understand better in case you found it difficult to understand as I put it.

The first point is about the marketable remarks of provably fair, and of course, everyone would want to deal with fair casinos, not otherwise, which is the reason why the provably fair becoming increasingly popular.

The second point is that not all casinos that prove they are provably fair are actually so, and still yet, there are many that say they are provably fair, and indeed, they are, and thanks for naming Stakes yourself.

And the last point is that provably fair or not some gamblers would not want to believe simply because they are losers.

You can read the post again and confirm with this and let me know if you still find the "in-between" you mentioned.

Sometimes,  what really the need to switch from one casino to the other when you have already tested the reputation and system of a particular casino over time,  I think it is highly uncalled for if you believe in the fact that the multiple casinos you test the higher your chances of winning,  we better change that mentality,  and the only time I visit another casino for any reason is only if I am doing so just to review the casino and how effective its features are at some point.

Although the majority of gamblers,  are chasing after bonuses and so since majority of the casinos offers first time bonuses,  some of the may jump from one casino to another all with the aim to grab some bonuses.

Sorry to say this doesn’t make much sense.

A game is either PROVABLY fair, or it’s NOT. There is no in between. You can’t just cheat a little, or trust just a little bit. There should be absolutely no room for trust. You either understand how it’s provably fair and verify it by yourself, or you’re simply trusting. That being said, it is true that some casinos call some of their games “provably fair”, but in reality they’re not. Stake for example has true provably fair games, not some others though.

Now to understand and verify, initially, a lot of time and skill is needed. This is what my system solves.

To be honest with, I myself don't regularly play on different casinos, atleast for the moment, I've maintained playing on one casinos for several months, but ideally, it is completely normal for one to switch between casinos from time to time just as you have said it, and this is not always because they find any fault with the casino they previously played on,  but things as simple as a bonus can indeed make some gamblers switch casinos, or even finding another casino  offering a better odds on their sports games can as well make any gambler switch casinos.

This is exactly the same thing happening in offline businesses, for so many people out there, there is no permanent customer any where for them, they patronize or buy from who ever is selling the best products at a cheaper rates, so it's exactly the same with gambling casinos for so many gamblers.

That's a good point, provably fair is the phrase that just became popular in the gambling industry and it's mostly for marketing reasons as not all provably fair are so, but we still can't condemn all of them at the same time. Some might truly be provably fair, only that persistent losses are making people not care if it's fair or not and tagging them as entirely not fair.

For the avoidance of doubts at times, one could still check for the following among others;

1. If the casino provides the proof to back the provably fair system up.
2. It should reflect in their terms and conditions and the interpretations.
3. Third-party audit goes a long way
4. Providing the seed and hash verification is another layer of trust
5. Reputable RNG in generating the outcome of the game proves to be fair as well.
6. Authenticity of the registration and regulation
7. You might also make searches and read professional reviews to learn about the scrutiny of their service

What gamblers need most is a platform that have less problem, so if a gambling platform have to do with all of this, I believe that what you have to is to be selective in any of the gambling platform you wish to gamble with, to be sincere, one of the things that makes gambling platforms to be okay and understanding is about the network, having a reliable mindset in a gambling websites it depends on the futures of the gambling platform or websites, that's why many people change gambling websites every time and they don't keep one gambling websites or platform.

The system is either provably fair or it’s not. The casino would know this before implementing it. There is no place for doubt. If there is, then they shouldn’t implement it. And since my system is simple, it’s not going to be that hard figuring it out.

I do also believe but i dont really make this as a big issue so that my mind wont really be troubling and boggling on the time that i do play specially on games which are house controlled or type.

If they are really that 100% fair then there would really be no line such as "HOUSE DO ALWAYS WIN IN THE END" kind of say. Therefore, it would really be better and wise that you shouldn't really that make yourself that too mindful about those small details and probabilities so that you wont really be making yourself that get stressed out.
Fair games could be called in to those legit sites but not really 100% as early as i have said.

Complexity? There's no way on knowing it yet everything is really written in codes, not unless if you are really that dealing with those
strategic games.

I don't even believe in probably fair games because there will still be some atom of unfair practice of such games. Probably fair games are not really much and they can be compromised anytime after when it is discovered that gamblers are now attracted to such kind of games. It is better for us to be wise and scrutinize our decisions and the way we bet on probably fair games so that we don't keep making losing thinking it's all our fault without knowing that the entire game had been compromised.

Anything about gambling complexity cannot be solved once and for all, this is why i don't believe any problem related to provably games cannot be completely solved, maybe we should only be careful in other not to get some certain attractions from those that wishes to invite us to their platforms in the name of helping through solving all provably games, gambling is beyond what we just might have seen appearing, we need more of it to work on and the casinos can't vouch a complete assurance of not having challenges in using them.

If I were the authorized casino managers, I would not sign some kind of big agreement that if your invention is accepted, then they are obliged to pay something in large amounts.  This is too risky if the algorithm is implemented and then, after some time, it turns out that it does not work correctly or has errors.  In this second big agreement, I see a very big problem for you. 
Do you think you can persuade at least one casino to sign such an agreement with serious financial obligations? 
Have you had any success in finding such a casino?

You are one of the few here who make comments that make sense.

It is correct that I can’t have serious legal protection, UNLESS, a PREVIOUS agreement takes place. So a lengthy and detailed agreement takes place, signed by both parties, about what happens IF the casino were to decide to use my system, and what happens if casino says it does not want to use it but still uses it.

The only point where you’re off, is that it wouldn’t be possible for them to use it without my knowledge, because it’s either on their website or it’s not. I can say I am lucky that the question of whether my system is being used could be easily answered by “yes” or “no” for any person with good intentions.

It is clear that you assume that the algorithm you have created is some kind of valuable invention and you want to receive money for it, which can be called royalties.  This desire is understandable and fair and there is no point in criticizing you for this desire, much less reproaching you. 

However, even if you find some casino where its managers want to try using your algorithm, and you provide them with your invention, there is still the option that, having tried to use the algorithm, they will then tell you that your invention is not suitable and can  maybe they will just pay you a little money “for the presentation”.  And then they will tell you that they are not interested in the algorithm.  But in fact, this casino will decide to secretly implement it and you will not know about it.  I understand that this is theft, but this also happens.  And the likelihood of such a development of events is high since you do not have any serious legal protection.  And from such a case you can no longer insure yourself. 

So in your situation, I don’t understand how you can really make a lot of money from such an invention.

Our own satisfaction tend to be our ultimate goal and also becomes our biggest flex, knowing confidently you can deal with any problem. We all have one or two challenges that we're facing and some keep it to themselves while others believed in sharing the problems they're facing in the system, which later becomes easy to comprehend and also acquainted with the system. We discussed every realistic circumstances here, we deal with challenges and share problems together for the purpose to solved them without encountering any hinder actions.

As I have said before, unfortunately that is not possible, because this does not fall under the category of “invention” and so cannot be patented as such. If I were to publish it in a scientific journal I can, but then I would only get “the credit” for it, and nobody would need my permission to use it (I asked many lawyers).
But I am not looking to “get credit”, I am looking to sell my system. No prepayment is required, but I need to set a price for my system so previous agreements should be made before sharing my paper (I’ve written my paper). The payment would take place only if the casino wants to implement my system.

My offer is still available, please do not hesitate to contact me and let’s make a deal!! I truly believe the casino who will implement this will have a big advantage.

If you really invented some unique algorithm for checking provable fairness, then first of all you should try to find out whether you have repeated the discovery of some mathematician that was made earlier and perhaps somehow patented or described in some scientific matthematical publication  in printed or electronic form.  It may well be that your discovery, one of the brilliant mathematicians “discovered this invention” much earlier than you.  But if you were the first to make such a discovery, then you need to somehow indicate that you are the author of the invention.  And to do this, you still need to not offer casino representatives the use of an unfamiliar algorithm, the 100% reliability of which has not been proven, but perhaps, even for a small fee, you should simply publish a short article about this algorithm in a specialized scientific publication.  Only after this can you contact different casinos with your proposal to implement the algorithm, first for trial operation.  So I believe that this is the correct course of action for the inventor for his unique invention. 
Only in this way will it be possible to defend it in court in case of theft and unauthorized use in violation of copyright.

This has some sense. In addition, my innovation is not even to be considered an invention, it’s like a math algorithm. It can’t be patented. Although good news is it would be clear if the casino has implemented it or not, so I would sue them if they don’t pay what we agreed upon in advance.

Now some casino personalities think I have to share my innovation and then “we’ll see later” how am I going to be rewarded. Not happening. If that means this would never be shared, or someone else from their own teams discovers it by himself, let it be, no problem.