Topic: I miss the Soviet Union. - page 2. (Read 15603 times)

You should learn about all of the major atrocities in history instead of just microfocusing on famine or gulag.  Far more was done than Stalin's policies which may or may not have been genocidal (its literally debated amongst historians).   Its telling that you never talk about anything but communist famines which may or may not have been targeted.  Its believable that you never learned about anything else besides that and the holocaust but its also believable that you have a subconscious excuse that dismisses most mass murder as part of the "good fight". 

Not my words- Via wikipedia
Wow its almost as if there are multiple perspectives to consider and a complex historical analysis is necessary.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/india-35-million-deaths-britain-shashi-tharoor-british-empire-a7627041.html
https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051
Imagine if these events were mentioned everytime anyone said anything about the US or UK.


I can acknowledge great accomplishments of empires even though I clearly despise them.  I love the fact that so much of the world speaks English and can acknowledge that without condoning the Bengal famine.  I can talk about great things the US has accomplished without brining up all of its atrocities.  I acknowledge that despite not having the best quality of life or ethics, no nation has accomplished more than the US in the latter part of the 20th century.  That doesn't automatically make me culpable for the very things I spend so much time ridiculing.

Everything is so simple to you.  You have only projected that you deal in absolutes and have no ability to perceive nuance.  You claim to know so much history but learning history without multiple perspectives and contexts is pointless.  Can you give a list of good things about the Soviet Union to prove you aren't a complete bot?  Its a captcha. 

Oh, you just aren't talking about it while you claim the era  was "undeniably great", even though the fact a genocidal maniac was in charge most of that time making your claim in fact quite deniable. How convenient. No it wasn't utopia, it was the closest thing I have ever learned about till this day to Hell on Earth. Greater than any other empire... I would laugh at you if you weren't so pathetically mindless.

I'm not throwing it out, I'm just not talking about that.  I'm against colonialism, imperialism, and authoritarianism but that doesn't create a bias in my mind that blinds me from the great accomplishments of a system that involved all three.  Was it ideal? no. Was it a utopia? no.  Were the accomplishments relatively greater than every other empire of the 20th century?  Of course!

They are actual facts not slogans.   Those generalized facts literally apply to the average cuban.   Why don't you go live in the next hurricane Maria or Katrina?  I wonder what life is like living in America as a dead baby. 

well its boring to live in communism though

"not a saint" wow, what a harsh criticism of one of the greatest mass murderers alive. You mean like how you throw out even acknowledging the existence of these horrible situations by just ignoring they happened and calling the time under this system as "undeniably great". What a master debater.

These are slogans, they mean nothing to an average Cuban.

I suggest you go and live in Cuba for a few months, just make sure you don't take more than $20/month with you.  You'll very quickly learn what it is like to live in Cuba.  You will change your mind in a New York minute.

Well I'd like to start by saying its better for hurricane victims.  In 2017, hurricane Irma was a direct hit on Cuba as a cat5.  It killed 10 people there and weakened before hitting Florida where it killed 84 people.  By contrast, Hurricane Maria was a hurricane of similar strength and killed over 3000 people.  Its not even close.  Disaster preparedness in the US is a disaster itself and despite aggressive embargo and significantly lower national resources, Cuba does so much more with less.  Its not just disaster preparedness, Cuba also leads the way in Latin America when it comes to healthcare, education, and sustainability.  



Yeah, even though I said they weren't saints (what superpower was?), just throw everything else out of the window in favor of the simplistic "Stalin man bad!" analysis.  Every imperial power has done bad things because being imperial is already evil in the first place.  Level headed humans can appreciate the fact that humanity has been to and made use of space without simultaneously condoning mass murder. 

Which part?  And more importantly for whom?

Have you been to Cuba?

No tienes ninguna idea.

You are fucking out of your mind.

Life is pretty good in Cuba.  

This is such a huge exaggeration.  They killed people yes but so did every powerful country in human history.  No one is saying they were saints but their advancements to human civilization as well as the general state of society in Russia from 1921-1961 were undeniably great. 

well the west is also a totalitarian regime if you dont want to join being money earning of the banking cartels there.

You miss Soviet Union because you obviously never lived under under totalitarian regime.If you want to check it out, go try live in Venezuela,Cuba or North Korea.

Regarding american workers and period of prosperity,it has nothing to do with Soviet Union.Decline for US workers started with development of China.

And did it by killing off millions, and taking away the freedom of millions of others, and still couldn't do as good a job as America has done with freedom. Are you sure it isn't "coins4commics?"

Imagine a system that took a backwards land of peasants literally to the peak of human existence in just 40 years and oh by the way defeated the greatest evil in human history in the middle of all that. 

united states will become north american soviet union, what the russians didnt achieved, crypto will achieve in no time.

trust me

Well most of us at the Democratic era it impossible to speak any thing good about any other system of government, since the Soviet Union practices the socialist system of government the leader have to be imposing to bring to light it policy and governance.

You operate under the delusion that Communism and the banking system were ever separate things.

crypto is no freedom its currently the enslavement by the owners and opperators of the global cryptoindex

they dont list "coins with huge marketcapitalisation"

everything must be centered on "their" bitcoins, and the dumpsterfire they want to release tomorrow into the world

exactly my observation, future soviet union is the us banking cartel,

the equity billionaires, and property billionaires, and the dependend urban population will try to save themselves from decentralisation by creating a socialist union of amerika

Be careful what you wish for.  The US is heading in this direction.

This time it will the US turn to have millions die of starvation, isolate themselves from the rest of the world, build (Berlin like) walls etc.

Majority of young people in the US are ready for communism and would embrace this system with open arms, the ones who will be against it will be killed or marginalized, IMHO. 

These changes can happen within a generation or two, so be careful what you wish for.

Communism is evil, no matter where in the world it exists.