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January 07, 2019, 07:13:25 AM
#53
lol soviet union, and nazi germany (american capitalists main enemies) were main guarantee that protected american labourers, from the current capitalist scam they live under, next will be the cryptoscam, in which all money printing americans (so called "coin offerers" will try to live on the back of those that are still so stupid to "work"


without its enemies (nazis, sovietunion, and radical islamism, slavery)

the united states becomes nothing more than just a communist banking that tries to enslave everyone to its money printing press.
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@cryptocommies
January 06, 2019, 04:22:32 PM
#52
RE: TECSHARE saying all leftist ideology is the same.  


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_uprisings_against_the_Bolsheviks#Background
Its always left out of the discussion but the civil war included heavy resistance to the Bolsheviks from the left. Imagine fighting people who have exactly the same ideology.

Lenin on the Krondstadt rebelliion
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"undoubtedly more dangerous than Denikin, Yudenich, and Kolchak combined."
He said it was the greatest threat to the bolsheviks

Here is a list of Krondstadt demands
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Immediate new elections to the Soviets; the present Soviets no longer express the wishes of the workers and peasants. The new elections should be held by secret ballot, and should be preceded by free electoral propaganda for all workers and peasants before the elections.
Freedom of speech and of the press for workers and peasants, for the Anarchists, and for the Left Socialist parties.
The right of assembly, and freedom for trade union and peasant associations.
The organisation, at the latest on 10 March 1921, of a Conference of non-Party workers, soldiers and sailors of Petrograd, Kronstadt and the Petrograd District.
The liberation of all political prisoners of the Socialist parties, and of all imprisoned workers and peasants, soldiers and sailors belonging to working class and peasant organisations.
The election of a commission to look into the dossiers of all those detained in prisons and concentration camps.
The abolition of all political sections in the armed forces; no political party should have privileges for the propagation of its ideas, or receive State subsidies to this end. In place of the political section, various cultural groups should be set up, deriving resources from the State.
The immediate abolition of the militia detachments set up between towns and countryside.
The equalisation of rations for all workers, except those engaged in dangerous or unhealthy jobs.
The abolition of Party combat detachments in all military groups; the abolition of Party guards in factories and enterprises. If guards are required, they should be nominated, taking into account the views of the workers.
The granting to the peasants of freedom of action on their own soil, and of the right to own cattle, provided they look after them themselves and do not employ hired labour.
We request that all military units and officer trainee groups associate themselves with this resolution.
We demand that the Press give proper publicity to this resolution.
We demand the institution of mobile workers' control groups.
We demand that handicraft production be authorised, provided it does not utilise wage labour.[8]


legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
April 08, 2014, 02:42:10 PM
#51
We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.

That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism.

That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept.

Say no to "-ism"s!  Grin

Now really , English is the fourth foreign language I learned but...is there any -ism word that describes something nice ? I can't think of any right now.

Libertarianism is "nice" some of the time.  Smiley

Until somebody tries it in real life at a large scale and we can all guess how it will end.

You can guess all you want.
Most of the world will be thrilled the Gov is no longer stealing from the poor/middle classes and giving to the rich.
legendary
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minds.com/Wilikon
April 08, 2014, 02:27:45 PM
#50
There is like no logic in this statement.

Read some history books (published by neutral authors), you wont miss Soviet Union any more.


I never did.

Someone at salon.com did
http://www.salon.com/2014/04/01/communism_saved_the_american_worker_how_soviet_competition_raised_our_living_standards/
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April 08, 2014, 06:16:50 AM
#49
There is like no logic in this statement.

Read some history books (published by neutral authors), you wont miss Soviet Union any more.
legendary
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April 07, 2014, 09:47:20 PM
#48
While that is true, the corruption was not so "in your face", not so obvious. You would give a box of chocolates to a teacher from time to time, but you weren't expected to do so and definitely not giving money. Nowadays you can barely expect to get medical service unless you pay double of what is in the price list.
(And yes, I lived there. Didn't see much of the corruption unless you really needed to have something done high up in the food chain.)

That was the point I made. The corruption wasn't much prevalent among the lower levels.
legendary
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minds.com/Wilikon
April 07, 2014, 03:54:56 PM
#47
Here is a comparison of the USSR and the Russian Fed (RF)

USSR:

1. No immigration from parasite states to Moscow and other cities
2. Free healthcare, but long queues.
3. No corruption among cops, and other public servants. But lot of corruption among the top Communist officials.

RF:

1. Moscow and other cities are now coping with millions of non-white immigrants
2. Expensive healthcare
3. Cops, doctors, nurses.... everyone is corrupt.

So people DO miss the Soviet Union...

there will always be people who miss it, mostly ethnic Russians and Serbians but others who were in the USSR and Yugoslavia despise it

there are people who like it but are mostly mixed between nations in that country and they still consider themselvs USSRs citzens or Yugoslavs

good thing, they're a minority Smiley

I would include hipsters born long after the fact, never been part of the Eastern Bloc, living in Brooklyn.





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April 07, 2014, 03:46:48 PM
#46
Here is a comparison of the USSR and the Russian Fed (RF)

USSR:

1. No immigration from parasite states to Moscow and other cities
2. Free healthcare, but long queues.
3. No corruption among cops, and other public servants. But lot of corruption among the top Communist officials.

RF:

1. Moscow and other cities are now coping with millions of non-white immigrants
2. Expensive healthcare
3. Cops, doctors, nurses.... everyone is corrupt.

So people DO miss the Soviet Union...

there will always be people who miss it, mostly ethnic Russians and Serbians but others who were in the USSR and Yugoslavia despise it

there are people who like it but are mostly mixed between nations in that country and they still consider themselvs USSRs citzens or Yugoslavs

good thing, they're a minority Smiley
legendary
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minds.com/Wilikon
April 07, 2014, 11:02:23 AM
#45
Here is a comparison of the USSR and the Russian Fed (RF)

USSR:

1. No immigration from parasite states to Moscow and other cities
2. Free healthcare, but long queues.
3. No corruption among cops, and other public servants. But lot of corruption among the top Communist officials.

RF:

1. Moscow and other cities are now coping with millions of non-white immigrants
2. Expensive healthcare
3. Cops, doctors, nurses.... everyone is corrupt.

So people DO miss the Soviet Union...
legendary
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April 07, 2014, 10:55:07 AM
#44
While that is true, the corruption was not so "in your face", not so obvious. You would give a box of chocolates to a teacher from time to time, but you weren't expected to do so and definitely not giving money. Nowadays you can barely expect to get medical service unless you pay double of what is in the price list.
(And yes, I lived there. Didn't see much of the corruption unless you really needed to have something done high up in the food chain.)
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in defi we trust
April 07, 2014, 10:29:27 AM
#43
Here is a comparison of the USSR and the Russian Fed (RF)

USSR:

1. No immigration from parasite states to Moscow and other cities
2. Free healthcare, but long queues.
3. No corruption among cops, and other public servants. But lot of corruption among the top Communist officials.

RF:

1. Moscow and other cities are now coping with millions of non-white immigrants
2. Expensive healthcare
3. Cops, doctors, nurses.... everyone is corrupt.

I'm pretty sure you know  that because you lived there , isn't that?
In every damn communist country everyone was corrupt ,not just police or doctors .. everybody was trying to get some money out of their position.
legendary
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April 07, 2014, 08:32:06 AM
#42
Here is a comparison of the USSR and the Russian Fed (RF)

USSR:

1. No immigration from parasite states to Moscow and other cities
2. Free healthcare, but long queues.
3. No corruption among cops, and other public servants. But lot of corruption among the top Communist officials.

RF:

1. Moscow and other cities are now coping with millions of non-white immigrants
2. Expensive healthcare
3. Cops, doctors, nurses.... everyone is corrupt.
legendary
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April 07, 2014, 07:20:29 AM
#41
it doesnt matter how you call it but for many centuries there were strategical conflicts between sea hegemonies (anglo-american establishment) and land hegemonies (golden orda, osmanian, russian empires etc). during most world conflicts there were only two sides to choose from. historically the west (sea) accumulates capital through trade etc. but the east (land) aquires huge power in terms of politics, social fabric of citizens etc. that is exact reasons why we have coups and revolutions everywhere - its the masters of capital not letting any country to become big enough through social status of its citizens. you dont need the country to be wealthy to be strong. the battered up country would have agile people, comfortable countries full of capital have to buy strenght. they know their weakness so its top priority to them to get rid of powerful leaders. the discharge of power is usually presented in full on war. now as we can see in the west capital is at its peak. but on the other side the masses have huge will to defend their rights, ready to fight. there is huge disbalance. unfortunately another war is imminent. this coming war will be against ruling class of multinationals. the resistance will be led by handful of countries representing the people.
legendary
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April 07, 2014, 06:24:19 AM
#40
My friend's grandmothher will be happy to hear that someone still misses the Soviet Union.

A lot of people still miss the Soviet Union. That is why KPRF gets ~20% of the vote in the Russian election even now.
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
April 07, 2014, 05:48:41 AM
#39
We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.

That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism.

That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept.

Say no to "-ism"s!  Grin

Now really , English is the fourth foreign language I learned but...is there any -ism word that describes something nice ? I can't think of any right now.

Organism
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in defi we trust
April 07, 2014, 05:33:23 AM
#38
We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.

That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism.

That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept.

Say no to "-ism"s!  Grin

Now really , English is the fourth foreign language I learned but...is there any -ism word that describes something nice ? I can't think of any right now.

Libertarianism is "nice" some of the time.  Smiley

Until somebody tries it in real life at a large scale and we can all guess how it will end.
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April 07, 2014, 04:36:08 AM
#37
My friend's grandmothher will be happy to hear that someone still misses the Soviet Union.
legendary
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April 07, 2014, 03:49:11 AM
#36
For example, REAL communism never happened. What happened in Russia, China, etc, was NOT communism. Communism in its supposed form is actually pretty damn amazing - think about, nobody wants for anything, everyone has the same quality of life. There's no need for conflict when we're all equal in terms of food, material goods, etc. But as a society right now, we are not ready for this kind of equality - not all of us want it, and there will always be people who want to abuse their power to live better than anyone else (which is exactly what the people in power in semi-communist states like USSR did). So even though communism is not that bad of an idea, human nature prevents real communism from ever taking place.
USSR economy initially used state capitalism with elements of socialism. According to Lenin, state capitalism it's a necessary stage on the way to create socialist society, just like socialism it's a stage on the way to communist society.

China now uses a similar approach, it's a socialist republic with mixed economy (private + public ownership).
legendary
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April 07, 2014, 03:45:44 AM
#35
Don't worry, we still have NK and Venezuela to show us why socialism gets progressively worse the more of it you have Tongue
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April 07, 2014, 03:36:44 AM
#34
I'm afraid only you and some soviet grandparents miss the Soviet Union.
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