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April 06, 2014, 10:47:40 PM
#33
We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.

That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism.

That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept.

Lol... Could not put it better myself  Smiley
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April 06, 2014, 08:23:12 PM
#32
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As for capitalism, for me the biggest problem is that once you get big, you become "too big to fail" which is a blatant contradiction of the entire concept. Failing systems should be allowed to fail, but we are supporting them. The people that get to the top of the capitalist ladder tend to stay there (if not indefinitely, at least for much longer than they should) and amass ridiculous amounts of power to control the entire system.

You are not describing free-market capitalism.
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April 06, 2014, 07:36:53 PM
#31
We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.

That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism.

That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept.

There's no "new concept" that will fix that. The best thing is to take good parts from everything. Also, improve them slowly over time. But bottom line, human nature will always fuck great ideas up.

For example, REAL communism never happened. What happened in Russia, China, etc, was NOT communism. Communism in its supposed form is actually pretty damn amazing - think about, nobody wants for anything, everyone has the same quality of life. There's no need for conflict when we're all equal in terms of food, material goods, etc. But as a society right now, we are not ready for this kind of equality - not all of us want it, and there will always be people who want to abuse their power to live better than anyone else (which is exactly what the people in power in semi-communist states like USSR did). So even though communism is not that bad of an idea, human nature prevents real communism from ever taking place.

As for capitalism, for me the biggest problem is that once you get big, you become "too big to fail" which is a blatant contradiction of the entire concept. Failing systems should be allowed to fail, but we are supporting them. The people that get to the top of the capitalist ladder tend to stay there (if not indefinitely, at least for much longer than they should) and amass ridiculous amounts of power to control the entire system.
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April 06, 2014, 06:33:08 PM
#30
It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. Sir Winston Churchill British politician (1874 - 1965).
He wasn't the first. Plato said the same using much stronger words. Grin

Talking the modern language, he said that liberalism has nothing in common with democracy, it's just a "legitimized" way to the seizure of power.
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April 06, 2014, 05:47:13 PM
#29
We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.

That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism.

That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept.

Say no to "-ism"s!  Grin

Now really , English is the fourth foreign language I learned but...is there any -ism word that describes something nice ? I can't think of any right now.

Libertarianism is "nice" some of the time.  Smiley
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April 06, 2014, 05:27:43 PM
#28
Technically Liberal is Liberal and not Liberalism which is a bastardization of the word
"Liberalism" is the name of political ideology, which is based on liberty and equality. Do not confuse the name of ideology with the designation of its institutions and followers... Liberal/liberalism, communist/communism, socialist/socialism, etc.

Anyway, it doesn't matter... Liberalism concept won't work ever, because a liberal society is unsustainable. It quickly degenerates into an oligarchy in the process of wealth distribution.

True but it is creeping up into papers now and then since people just add ism's to everything.

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. Sir Winston Churchill British politician (1874 - 1965).
legendary
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April 06, 2014, 05:11:54 PM
#27
Technically Liberal is Liberal and not Liberalism which is a bastardization of the word
"Liberalism" is the name of political ideology, which is based on liberty and equality. Do not confuse the name of ideology with the designation of its institutions and followers... Liberal/liberalism, communist/communism, socialist/socialism, etc.

Anyway, it doesn't matter... Liberalism concept won't work ever, because a liberal society is unsustainable. It quickly degenerates into an oligarchy in the process of wealth distribution.
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April 06, 2014, 05:02:55 PM
#26
Say no to "-ism"s!  Grin

OK... then we can go back to the monarchy. It was much better than any of the isms.
Monarchy it's "-ism" too. "Monarchism", "Absolutism", etc.

Technically Liberal is Liberal and not Liberalism which is a bastardization of the word
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April 06, 2014, 09:33:19 AM
#25
Say no to "-ism"s!  Grin

OK... then we can go back to the monarchy. It was much better than any of the isms.
Monarchy it's "-ism" too. "Monarchism", "Absolutism", etc.
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April 06, 2014, 08:16:12 AM
#24
Say no to "-ism"s!  Grin

OK... then we can go back to the monarchy. It was much better than any of the isms.
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April 06, 2014, 07:27:17 AM
#23
We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.

That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism.

That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept.

Say no to "-ism"s!  Grin
"Say no to onanism first!"  Grin

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April 06, 2014, 07:26:18 AM
#22
We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.

That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism.

That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept.

Say no to "-ism"s!  Grin

Now really , English is the fourth foreign language I learned but...is there any -ism word that describes something nice ? I can't think of any right now.
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April 06, 2014, 07:22:33 AM
#21
We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.

That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism.

That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept.

Say no to "-ism"s!  Grin
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April 06, 2014, 07:20:22 AM
#20
We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.

That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism.

That's the problem with all : socialism , communism , capitalism etc...In theory all sound ok. In real life , humans find a way to f*** it so good you need to invent a new concept.
legendary
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April 06, 2014, 02:04:38 AM
#19
We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.

That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism.

Changing the world and innovation are related its sort of a series of steps towards something better, although I agree that a paradigm shift in the way we approach our economic systems and political ones like Bitcoin and even the internet may be moving society forward at a faster rate than any time preceding it in human history.

Perhaps we can get rid of the last 500 years of entrenched ideas in 50 given world communications and digital technologies changing our societies and correcting/optimizing society and how we perceive the world as a whole in the general collective consciousness.

That said bigotry will still unfortunately exist but it might get better overall
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April 06, 2014, 01:56:35 AM
#18
We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.

That is the real problem. The real capitalism is not used anywhere. For example, in the US, it is Socialism being dished out after re branded as Capitalism.
legendary
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April 06, 2014, 01:31:13 AM
#17
Well to be honest Communism is a more equitable system when USED PROPERLY
Although the reason we are seeing a Red Tide in Latin America is because they tried American Capitalism and it didn't work well there after all a small country needs to manage policies differently than a big one etc.
Not one size fits all in political systems and economic ones

Too bad we have yet to see communism being used properly...

We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.

It has been a giant pendulum between two kind of philosophies, no matter their names and the rationalizations behind them, throughout History. Then the Entropy of corruption comes knocking at the end. Every time.

Bitcoin might be a real paradigm shift if it gets an hold on people's consciousness at large. But this is a subject for the main bitcoin forum  Smiley
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April 06, 2014, 12:39:39 AM
#16
Well to be honest Communism is a more equitable system when USED PROPERLY
Although the reason we are seeing a Red Tide in Latin America is because they tried American Capitalism and it didn't work well there after all a small country needs to manage policies differently than a big one etc.
Not one size fits all in political systems and economic ones

Too bad we have yet to see communism being used properly...

We have yet to see (real) Capitalism being used properly either.
legendary
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April 06, 2014, 12:32:47 AM
#15
Well to be honest Communism is a more equitable system when USED PROPERLY
Although the reason we are seeing a Red Tide in Latin America is because they tried American Capitalism and it didn't work well there after all a small country needs to manage policies differently than a big one etc.
Not one size fits all in political systems and economic ones

Too bad we have yet to see communism being used properly...
legendary
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April 06, 2014, 12:28:39 AM
#14
Its also equitable to knock out my teeth because my grandfather has none, but I'm not likely to want that either.
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