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what the australian government has done is correct by abolishing gambling advertising to prevent minors from gambling before they grow up. abolishing gambling ads may reduce the promotion of gambling and it will reduce the number of minors to find out about gambling platforms and play on those platforms.
but abolishing gambling advertising without the role of parents will be in vain because nowadays children are very free to access devices and their environment can also have a bad impact on them. as parents, they must be able to provide good lessons to their children and continue to monitor what they access and what their playing environment is like. with actions like this it is hoped that the number of minors gambling will be reduced.

So you think that adds are responsible for people's addictions?
Many people are addicted to alcohol, but you can see it everywhere. You go to a store and there are rows of liquors to choose from and kids can go there, look at these fancy bottles thinking what's inside.
What about sex? We don't advertise sex, right? But we do advertise condoms. It's like an indirect way of promoting sex.
If a kid can go to a twitch channel and see people gambling, how is not allowing TV to mention gambling going to stop them from trying it?

IMO We are all exposed to smoking, drinking, and gambling and it's up to us to not get addicted.
In my country they don't promote smoking and drinking in any way, but many of my friends still smoke and drink.

Sex is evolutionarily rooted in our systems, making sure our species thrives for reproduction. Comparing that to alcohol is weird to say the least.

Advertising does have an impact for as long as society as a whole hasn't had that massive exposure before. But once gambling founds its way into the middle of society, gambling could most likely be reduced but still get more people to play because of word of mouth and general exposure due to family, friends and whatever other people someone is dealing with.

Do you remember the days when there was radio advertisement? You couldn't even touch the product, not even see it, and yet radio advertisement has an effect on buying or consumption decisions. The reason is that it wires desires or memories subconsciously. Having gambling advertisements everywhere and connected to popular faces or brands or sports legitimizes gambling subconsciously. It makes it socially acceptable.

Assuming that there is a % of people who tend to catch an addiction, what happens if instead of 10,000 people 1,000,000 people in a certain area pursue a potentially addictive activity? It happens to be that we have more addicts because %*10,000 is less than %*1,000,000. Advertisement plays an important role in getting people to do or consume stuff. 
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what the australian government has done is correct by abolishing gambling advertising to prevent minors from gambling before they grow up. abolishing gambling ads may reduce the promotion of gambling and it will reduce the number of minors to find out about gambling platforms and play on those platforms.
but abolishing gambling advertising without the role of parents will be in vain because nowadays children are very free to access devices and their environment can also have a bad impact on them. as parents, they must be able to provide good lessons to their children and continue to monitor what they access and what their playing environment is like. with actions like this it is hoped that the number of minors gambling will be reduced.

So you think that adds are responsible for people's addictions?
Many people are addicted to alcohol, but you can see it everywhere. You go to a store and there are rows of liquors to choose from and kids can go there, look at these fancy bottles thinking what's inside.
What about sex? We don't advertise sex, right? But we do advertise condoms. It's like an indirect way of promoting sex.
If a kid can go to a twitch channel and see people gambling, how is not allowing TV to mention gambling going to stop them from trying it?

IMO We are all exposed to smoking, drinking, and gambling and it's up to us to not get addicted.
In my country they don't promote smoking and drinking in any way, but many of my friends still smoke and drink.
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Very well composed bud, and I perfectly understand the angle you are coming, and I definitely agree with you, if thought about deeply and critically, we will understand that gambling is linked to argument. This is like two or more people arguing about the possible outcome of something. This is exactly what gambling is all about, the only thing today is that everything is now digitalized that we no longer have to do the argue and bet manually.

I remember some time some years back, when there was a match being played between two teams, people cheering will argue and placed bet on which team they think will win the match, this bet will be done manually and the money given to someone there to hold till the end of the match, and after the match is finished, the money will be given to the person who predicted the score right.

But all the same, digitalization has changed everything, today, we no longer have to argue and bet openly like before, we do it online these days.
Of course not everything, and I think some things will remain that way because not all are capable to do what others can do. I can picture what you are talkin about there clearly in my head. I can feel the crowd and excitement. It was fun experience overall.

I think this is something that can't totally be imitated by the online gambling. Luckily like I said earlier, there are still like that who remained. For those who are looking for some nostalgia, can always find the nearest betting arena and see the schedules being posted there. Online gambling still provides a comfort and safety. And then arguing if which team will win is still possible but you will mostly do it alone.
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The Australian Government once said about abolishing gambling ads as a means of reducing gambling activities amongst underage people. But, I think they'll be no successful way of stopping young people from gambling. As it's in them. Most articles here also say things like gambling addiction being hereditary. That means gambling can be hereditary as well. Because I just watched from a distant two kids below 10 years, staking bets, after a long argument about who the artiste of a specific song is. They later staked close to 40 cents each, for the person who gets the answer right. Then they went ahead to verify. And I lost sight of them. I thought about, how come or who thought these kids about betting money during a long argument. I was able to memorize, back when I was a kid. We easily said, how much would you bet if it turns out I'm saying the truth; during an argument. It made me understand that, despite during those days we had no phones or access to the internet, gambling is somehow embedded to the brain of humans. Then, as a child, we weren't exposed to gambling. I could only remember of lotto, as a kid. But we still said things like "let's bet it"
Yes, gambling is ingrained in our DNA as humans, it's not a myth, it's not just the small children you mentioned who bet even when no one taught them to bet, i also bet quite often (my friends and i have also bet on candy) with friends when there was a small argument that we had when i was very young.  governments in countries that want to eradicate gambling are actually quite stupid in doing that, gambling will not be possible to eliminate for everyone, there will continue to be people who gamble even at a very young age, i continue to encourage gambling that is well educated and also responsible.
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You are not wrong to analyze what happened to the child's environment, and yes in the case you described above is a form of gambling with bets on guessing activities that children do with their friends, and gambling practices through betting often occur in community activities, such as who loses then he pays for the game they do, this can also be said to be a hereditary activity in society.
But my personal view is that it does not have a severe effect on children, unlike online gambling which can destroy a person because of gambling addiction.

What the government in your country is doing is a good action to eradicate the abuse by the owners of social media in serving ads to the activity. What the government is doing in your country is a good action to eradicate the abuse by social media owners in serving advertisements to children's activities when using social media or the internet that could appear on their screens because it cannot be controlled, and we know that children always try what makes them curious, so the policy will have positive implications for suppressing the potential development of children's interest in gambling which can destroy children's growth.

The kids mostly get to know about the gambling from their friends as compared to their parents already in the gambling.The gambling was the game and used by the all sect of age group people.The government play major role to create the law for the gamblers,it was most important for the children.Because if the government had create the law for the kids not to involve in the gambling sites.Then the gambling sites should not include the kids to the game.This was the reason by which the gambling sites ask the user to verify the kyc to the gambling sites.The kids should follow the rule made by their government for them.
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Filtering and educate them on what things they are not supposed to do as they are still children.
It is normal for children and toddlers to be curious and wonder what gambling is and why people partake on it, and since they learn it from Television, it is very likely their school companions and friends will also know about it, so they end up sharing what they saw on their TV programs, discuss about it and practice it.
Children are not only limited to imitating what others people do around them, what they see on comics and shows also have a lot of influence over them, and if we keep in mind that today, many parents are more interested in letting their toddlers to watch their TVs and Smartphones unsupervised, it is a situation which becomes more critical and worth of our attention.

In the end, children will end up knowing what gambling is, it is the job of the family to teach the good and bad which comes from it.
This means that today's parent's task is harder than that of parents a few years ago when there was no more advanced technology than now. The children do more physical activity than non-physical activities to socialize with many other children. And parents can teach everything they know to their children so that their children can protect themselves socially. They can also know what they can and cannot do, especially older people, because nowadays, young people tend to have the courage to fight against older people. They even easily report their teachers if they tell them to do something while at school.

And today's children, using their smartphones, can explore many things via the internet. Many people also discover online gambling, so many of them are curious and end up gambling. This is something that parents need to pay attention to so that they can pay more attention to their children in their relationships.

It is harder, yes. Because of those reasons and more.
It is still possible of we educate ourselves on what to do in certain scenarios. It is said there is no book or guide so parents can learn how to be good parents and raise their children, however in reality there are some books or texts which address parenting from several points of views: religious point of view, discipline point of view, educational point of view, etc.
One is not supposed to go all blind in such a travel through parenting life. In my opinion.
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Most articles here also say things like gambling addiction being hereditary.
That's the first I've read about this. I searched some write ups on this and there are evidence that suggests it is but even the researchers admit it's not that conclusive and need further research.

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Because I just watched from a distant two kids below 10 years, staking bets, after a long argument about who the artiste of a specific song is. They later staked close to 40 cents each, for the person who gets the answer right. Then they went ahead to verify.
I'm curious to know if they were boys. I ask because this betting probably came from their masculine trait of being compete.

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I think gambling is inbuilt, kids don't learn it anywhere, they do it!
I think kids learn about betting from somewhere but being competitive is a built in trait for boys at least.
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Filtering and educate them on what things they are not supposed to do as they are still children.
It is normal for children and toddlers to be curious and wonder what gambling is and why people partake on it, and since they learn it from Television, it is very likely their school companions and friends will also know about it, so they end up sharing what they saw on their TV programs, discuss about it and practice it.
Children are not only limited to imitating what others people do around them, what they see on comics and shows also have a lot of influence over them, and if we keep in mind that today, many parents are more interested in letting their toddlers to watch their TVs and Smartphones unsupervised, it is a situation which becomes more critical and worth of our attention.

In the end, children will end up knowing what gambling is, it is the job of the family to teach the good and bad which comes from it.
This means that today's parent's task is harder than that of parents a few years ago when there was no more advanced technology than now. The children do more physical activity than non-physical activities to socialize with many other children. And parents can teach everything they know to their children so that their children can protect themselves socially. They can also know what they can and cannot do, especially older people, because nowadays, young people tend to have the courage to fight against older people. They even easily report their teachers if they tell them to do something while at school.

And today's children, using their smartphones, can explore many things via the internet. Many people also discover online gambling, so many of them are curious and end up gambling. This is something that parents need to pay attention to so that they can pay more attention to their children in their relationships.
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I think it is also part of the popular culture which both children and adults adsorb from social media, Television and even folk stories.
If you try to recall, you could easily remember yourself as a child watching cartoons and there was some specific episode where the protagonists bet against each other, for some silly reason.

There is where children learn about gambling from, right in front of the eye of their parents.
I can recall watching several examples of betting and gambling on shows like Kennan & Kel, Spongebob, KND, etc.  Before you notice, your kids already discovered what a bet is and how they are supposed to work. It only takes two kids in the school to know and they will start to bet on frivolous things, which are at first harmless.
Yes, I remember it clearly, and it was a wonderful time as a kid being able to watch such entertainment. And yes, small children can easily remember what they see and do what everyone else does. They are great imitators that we have experienced. If they see gambling through other sources, maybe they will try to tell their friends about it, and in the end, they will try to gamble exactly like what they saw before. This is the role of parents towards their children so that they can supervise their children better and filter what they see so that they do not become too curious. If parents can guide them well, their children will grow well too,, which is what parents hope for.

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let's accept the fact that we can't monitor our kids 24/7. and they have a lot of people surrounding them, school, playmates and others. so even if we say, we are not showing any indication that we are on gambling, they will encounter this at one point of their lives. so whatever you instill in them will be their weapon in combatting potential influence of this activity. they can try the game but we are hoping that they should know their limits and won't fall to the addiction phase.
We can't watch our children 24/7, but at least we can be with them and do things together. It will provide emotional closeness between parents and their children. And if we can give it more often, they will also be closer to us. This will give them the understanding that they can ask anything they want to know so that parents can explain these things clearly. Perhaps parents need to adjust their explanations to their children's ages so they can accept the explanations well and not go wrong.

Filtering and educate them on what things they are not supposed to do as they are still children.
It is normal for children and toddlers to be curious and wonder what gambling is and why people partake on it, and since they learn it from Television, it is very likely their school companions and friends will also know about it, so they end up sharing what they saw on their TV programs, discuss about it and practice it.
Children are not only limited to imitating what others people do around them, what they see on comics and shows also have a lot of influence over them, and if we keep in mind that today, many parents are more interested in letting their toddlers to watch their TVs and Smartphones unsupervised, it is a situation which becomes more critical and worth of our attention.

In the end, children will end up knowing what gambling is, it is the job of the family to teach the good and bad which comes from it.
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The Australian Government once said about abolishing gambling ads as a means of reducing gambling activities amongst underage people. But, I think they'll be no successful way of stopping young people from gambling. As it's in them. Most articles here also say things like gambling addiction being hereditary. That means gambling can be hereditary as well. Because I just watched from a distant two kids below 10 years, staking bets, after a long argument about who the artiste of a specific song is. They later staked close to 40 cents each, for the person who gets the answer right. Then they went ahead to verify. And I lost sight of them. I thought about, how come or who thought these kids about betting money during a long argument. I was able to memorize, back when I was a kid. We easily said, how much would you bet if it turns out I'm saying the truth; during an argument. It made me understand that, despite during those days we had no phones or access to the internet, gambling is somehow embedded to the brain of humans. Then, as a child, we weren't exposed to gambling. I could only remember of lotto, as a kid. But we still said things like "let's bet it"
You are not wrong to analyze what happened to the child's environment, and yes in the case you described above is a form of gambling with bets on guessing activities that children do with their friends, and gambling practices through betting often occur in community activities, such as who loses then he pays for the game they do, this can also be said to be a hereditary activity in society.
But my personal view is that it does not have a severe effect on children, unlike online gambling which can destroy a person because of gambling addiction.

What the government in your country is doing is a good action to eradicate the abuse by the owners of social media in serving ads to the activity. What the government is doing in your country is a good action to eradicate the abuse by social media owners in serving advertisements to children's activities when using social media or the internet that could appear on their screens because it cannot be controlled, and we know that children always try what makes them curious, so the policy will have positive implications for suppressing the potential development of children's interest in gambling which can destroy children's growth.
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I think it is also part of the popular culture which both children and adults adsorb from social media, Television and even folk stories.
If you try to recall, you could easily remember yourself as a child watching cartoons and there was some specific episode where the protagonists bet against each other, for some silly reason.

There is where children learn about gambling from, right in front of the eye of their parents.
I can recall watching several examples of betting and gambling on shows like Kennan & Kel, Spongebob, KND, etc.  Before you notice, your kids already discovered what a bet is and how they are supposed to work. It only takes two kids in the school to know and they will start to bet on frivolous things, which are at first harmless.
Yes, I remember it clearly, and it was a wonderful time as a kid being able to watch such entertainment. And yes, small children can easily remember what they see and do what everyone else does. They are great imitators that we have experienced. If they see gambling through other sources, maybe they will try to tell their friends about it, and in the end, they will try to gamble exactly like what they saw before. This is the role of parents towards their children so that they can supervise their children better and filter what they see so that they do not become too curious. If parents can guide them well, their children will grow well too,, which is what parents hope for.

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let's accept the fact that we can't monitor our kids 24/7. and they have a lot of people surrounding them, school, playmates and others. so even if we say, we are not showing any indication that we are on gambling, they will encounter this at one point of their lives. so whatever you instill in them will be their weapon in combatting potential influence of this activity. they can try the game but we are hoping that they should know their limits and won't fall to the addiction phase.
We can't watch our children 24/7, but at least we can be with them and do things together. It will provide emotional closeness between parents and their children. And if we can give it more often, they will also be closer to us. This will give them the understanding that they can ask anything they want to know so that parents can explain these things clearly. Perhaps parents need to adjust their explanations to their children's ages so they can accept the explanations well and not go wrong.
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You’ll only say “let’s bet it” because you heard it somewhere. Honestly, there’s no way you tell me that we know gambling by default. See, everything kids do is based on what they see, hear, or read. A kid would never gamble if they don’t even know what betting or staking is. It’s because they’ve seen it, heard good stories (cause apparently, no one be it a kid or an adult will do something that is aimless) about it and decide to try it. If your kid ever does something that you don’t do at home, question them to know where they saw it and know how to cut them off from it before they become irredeemable.
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It's actually silly for any government to try to erase gambling from their citizens minds. Would be better to just inform the people of the risks and help them to understand what they could lose.
The governments of the world cannot ban gambling. It is a good source of revenue for them but they just refuse to admit it. Infact trying to erase it from the minds of their citizens will only lead to a proliferation of it across all age groups.

Yes they should intensify their efforts in spreading awareness about the dangers of being addicted to it just like being addicted to any other thing. Furthermore, they should work to create more centres to help those fight the addiction. It should be affordable for every class of citizens especially those who are low income earners. There is a high incidence of gambling addiction reported within that economic class.
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I believe that when all people are born, they are not born with knowledge about games, food and everything that exists on earth. As they grow up and live with other people, they begin to learn things that those close to them say and do. So, if you have a month-old baby, and you start consuming a lot of alcohol and are addicted to gambling, then as that baby grows into an adult, it will be copying the same things that you are doing, In other words, when the baby becomes an adult, he will be addicted to gambling and alcohol.

But if that baby is raised by a mother who doesn't drink alcohol and doesn't gamble while you drink alcohol and play a lot but don't spend many hours at home, then the baby will grow up without addictions, because he will copy his mother. What often happens is that when children go to play with their friends, they also copy their friends' defects, things like betting on who gets to one of their other friends' houses first, like betting when they play football. but this is not betting on gambling sites, it is a simple children's game

When children become adults they even forget or no longer have the desire to play those children's games. With that I say again: no one is born addicted to gambling, no one is born addicted to alcohol, drugs, sex or anything else. All people acquire addictions when they live with or are exposed to environments with addicted people
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The Australian Government once said about abolishing gambling ads as a means of reducing gambling activities amongst underage people. But, I think they'll be no successful way of stopping young people from gambling. As it's in them. Most articles here also say things like gambling addiction being hereditary. That means gambling can be hereditary as well. Because I just watched from a distant two kids below 10 years, staking bets, after a long argument about who the artiste of a specific song is. They later staked close to 40 cents each, for the person who gets the answer right. Then they went ahead to verify. And I lost sight of them. I thought about, how come or who thought these kids about betting money during a long argument. I was able to memorize, back when I was a kid. We easily said, how much would you bet if it turns out I'm saying the truth; during an argument. It made me understand that, despite during those days we had no phones or access to the internet, gambling is somehow embedded to the brain of humans. Then, as a child, we weren't exposed to gambling. I could only remember of lotto, as a kid. But we still said things like "let's bet it"
You can ban gambling ads all you want but people will still have access to know about gambling. Anyone who visits twit h, YouTube, kick, tiktok, bitcointalk, or 1000 other sites will be able to find out about gambling.

It's actually silly for any government to try to erase gambling from their citizens minds. Would be better to just inform the people of the risks and help them to understand what they could lose.
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what the australian government has done is correct by abolishing gambling advertising to prevent minors from gambling before they grow up. abolishing gambling ads may reduce the promotion of gambling and it will reduce the number of minors to find out about gambling platforms and play on those platforms.

but abolishing gambling advertising without the role of parents will be in vain because nowadays children are very free to access devices and their environment can also have a bad impact on them. as parents, they must be able to provide good lessons to their children and continue to monitor what they access and what their playing environment is like. with actions like this it is hoped that the number of minors gambling will be reduced.

Abolishing of whatever gambling ads is not the problem and like you said there is the responsibility of the parents to guide there children properly and show them the right way to grow up until they are of the age to know and understand certain things. There is a difference when you understand what you are doing and when you are just pressured into something. Therefore, it is a very good advise for parents not to allow there children go astray because there are different social vices that can also lead children into gambling like they may be in need of money and if they have older friends who already gamble for money, they can be lured into gambling with hope to source for money.
It's easier to correct or force a child to do anything while they are still young and does not have freedom and right own they own,  at that point,  is more easier for the parent to be able to guide,  correct,  and controls the actions of their kids,  this is most important because at some point,  it become difficult to achieve such if not at the early stage.

I don't agree with the presumption that gambling is in-built,  the child doesn't have a DNA of gambling and gambling is not something that have a genetic traces so we have to be mindful of what we belief or act on,  such as in this case,  we as parents indeed have a big role to play in the well being of our growing kids and be able to properly mentor them into something better and significant to all that come around and in contact with them as their grow up in the society
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Gambling can come in different ways, children always have this mindset of wining in an argument with there friends or playmate, everyone does that. But in a situation where money is involve and the child continues insisting to bet for money trust me that child will grow up with a betting mindset, and if care is not taking that child continues to exhibit the habit of betting. Sometimes the environment where children find themselves matter alot. Have you not heard of the saying charity begins at home, so any child that grows up with a betting habit learnt it from home and it is not called heredity, I will call it lack of discipline.
At the other hand parents are to be blamed for their child betting habit ? Parents play a huge role in the life of there child, the society will not be hold responsible for a child betting habit, I will not blame any site that allows little children to gamble because they're also looking for money and we should not expect them to stop looking for money.
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The Australian Government once said about abolishing gambling ads as a means of reducing gambling activities amongst underage people. But, I think they'll be no successful way of stopping young people from gambling.
They are not stopping because they can't they just want a reduction if they will not restrict the number will be too high and they will have issues in the future

The Australian government probably came to a conclusion that gambling ads enticed minors to gamble so they planned to abolish it to reduce the number of kids getting engaged to gambling,

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As it's in them. Most articles here also say things like gambling addiction being hereditary.
Not only hereditary but inherent, people can easily learn and be attracted to gambling if platforms are easily accessible and this will result in the increase in people playing and losing money in casinos

Kids always follow what they see in an adult so if there is a person engaged in gambling in one family and this person openly show his gambling activities, kids may get influenced and do the same thing.

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It made me understand that, despite during those days we had no phones or access to the internet, gambling is somehow embedded to the brain of humans. Then, as a child, we weren't exposed to gambling. I could only remember of lotto, as a kid. But we still said things like "let's bet it"
Children learn based on what they see, hear and from them it just developed so if they see their parents or older people playing and betting with each other they easily pick this up and learn easily because its already inherent in them

I highly agree, just like how kids develop their writing and reading skills, through observation of the environment, they tend  to develop the manners and habit of the people around them.  That includes being interested on smoking, alcohol and so on.
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I completely agree with you bud, activities like gambling are not something that are taught in school, so it is our duty as parents to look after our children, make sure they are always ok, and also monitor all their activities, keep watch of the kind of people or friends they are going out with, for i personally believe that children don't just wake up one morning and want to engage themselves in gambling, whenever a child decides to go into gambling, there is probably somebody, (a friend maybe, who is already a gambler) that is telling that child about gambling and encouraging him or her to try it.

So yeah, it's important to never let them out of our sight, and what i mean by this is, just the same as you have said, we must monitor their every move, periodically check their phone to know what they are doing behind closed doors.

The gambling is the game which was not taught in the schools of most of the countries,because in all the countries the government consider the eduction was more important.But the probability and combination which very related to the gambling sites was taught in the school days.When I had come across the dice probability in the Mathematics,I had never think the same dice will come in the gambling.The purpose of the dice in the school is not for the gambling,it was totally for the increase of the problem analytical skills of the children.So we should monitor our childrens and their friends list for the avoid of our children into the gambling sites.
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The Australian Government once said about abolishing gambling ads as a means of reducing gambling activities amongst underage people. But, I think they'll be no successful way of stopping young people from gambling. As it's in them. Most articles here also say things like gambling addiction being hereditary. That means gambling can be hereditary as well. Because I just watched from a distant two kids below 10 years, staking bets, after a long argument about who the artiste of a specific song is. They later staked close to 40 cents each, for the person who gets the answer right. Then they went ahead to verify. And I lost sight of them. I thought about, how come or who thought these kids about betting money during a long argument. I was able to memorize, back when I was a kid. We easily said, how much would you bet if it turns out I'm saying the truth; during an argument. It made me understand that, despite during those days we had no phones or access to the internet, gambling is somehow embedded to the brain of humans. Then, as a child, we weren't exposed to gambling. I could only remember of lotto, as a kid. But we still said things like "let's bet it"

It could be hereditary or it could be the influence of the environment. In 3rd world countries, gambling is proliferated because it's one way to win big money very quick and then you change your life for you and your family. But for Australia, it might be the same, I mean there's casinos and then when you open the TV you might see sports and then you think you might want to bet and win some money. And there could be cases that you are born in a family that gambles, whether your parents or your aunts or uncles and every gathering you hear them talking about their gambling activities.

So there could be a lot of sources of our gambling addictions and it's hard to pinpoint what is the exact reasons why individuals became addicted to it. And I do agree that it's very hard to stop it, unless the government is going to crack it down hard. But it will take a lot of time and effort and money to be able to do that. They are just putting measures to reduce it, but will not be able to 100% removed it from the society because it has been ingrain to us.
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