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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on August 21, 2023, 06:32:38 AM

I don't know where some gamblers are getting their confidence from, do you know that online casinos can keep rejecting your ID after you made some high amount of money? Some people cares about winning first before passing KYC, it's cool you believe that you won't always win but the luck comes when we least expected.

Imagine winning and you find it hard to pass KYC, trapping your money on the casino for like ever.

It's not always the casinos fault, I know some are dubious but the thing is KYC verification is something you should first deal with before making your first deposit.

Online casinos can be frustrating at times, some casino won't accept your submitted document even when you haven't make any deposit on the platform yet, so always confirm your identity first.

Submit your identity and wait for approval, do not be in haste to make deposit first, because the identity you submitted without a green approval from the team can still be rejected, take your time to get the passed approval first before proceeding with gambling.

Giving KYC up front doesn't mean anything. When you go for a payout they can ask for a video selfie. Play at no KYC casinos is the only safe way to do it.

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- I think that if there is reputable casino gambling here in the crypto space, there seems to be no problem. So far, my gambling experience here in the crypto gambling business has been so good. Maybe the only ones that can do such a thing are the casinos that have bad plans for their casino players.

Because often, from what I see from what I read here, when others release a big winning from their gambling, the other gambling platform that said that there is no KYC will suddenly require it in the end, and after the KYC that is requested is given, there is still follow-up needed. Reputable casinos in the crypto industry are not like that.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 30, 2023, 10:17:57 AM

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 29, 2023, 01:53:31 PM

It turns out that there is no dilemma. After all, if we play in a dishonest casino, then we won’t get our winnings even with KYC, even without KYC. But if we play in an honest casino, then we will receive our winnings after we pass the KYC. It turns out that if you look at it this way, then there is simply no point in going through the KYC in advance (including because the chances of a big win are low).

Dishonest casinos then in any game by the user will be cheated they only intend to highlight the customer's money so why KYC first if we already know even the casino is dishonest?

I understand this statement, even if you win but play an unfair casino then the winnings will be withheld for various reasons as the user cannot do much even though he has passed the KYC.
Yes we already know a fair casino here, so no need to worry even if we don't KYC the winnings will still be ours.

By the way, there is another huge disadvantage of going through the KYC in advance: if we are dealing with a dishonest casino, then they can make money by selling our data to third parties. Judging by the fact that there are a lot of similar goods on dark markets, many services earn money by this (I don’t believe that all of them were “hacked”).

Correct. One of my email addresses was already breached but I don't think it's because of a gambling site. More like a phishing style so I trashed that e-mail. The same thing could happen to us here on gambling sites and it might be worse if we pass all the documents we have. This is why we should select carefully what or where online casinos we will entrust our identity.
Luckily, we have so many options now. There's Stake.com and Sportsbet.io, and there's actually more that I won't list here because it's going to be long.
They offer services that many users in this forum believe to be great and their trust rating is higher than other sports betting or casino sites that we see on online advertisements outside this forum.
KYC is a dual edge sword, it could also ruin us if we do not choose carefully on where we will provide it. And I think that is one of the main reason many crypto enthusiasts doesn't like the idea of going through it.

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Quote from: Onyeeze on August 26, 2023, 02:21:40 PM

People don't like verifying their accounts and that is causing alot problems to the participants of gambling in a particular gambling site, what a platform needed in gambling is that you have to know their kyc is necessary and I believe that anyone that have done their Kyc have no issues to that particular platform but gamblers does not show concern of verifying their accounts expect that they have issues of withdrawing their money. So it's good to work in accordance with your platform not by complaining when everything is getting late to resolve

For gambling platform many people disagree for verifying their account and if vote opening more than 80% of respondent won't to submit their document ID for verifying in gambling platform. Its reason why some of them priority for active in gambling platform not required for KYC but in the reality when huge amount withdrawing they need to submit and verifying account. Actually many gambler have play with some gambling platform are free withdraw or deposit fund without required KYC, but withdrawing issues and account suddenly freeze there are not have many option except for verifying account. Important points for some gambling platform free for KYC not make difficult one day later when gambler want to withdraw with huge amount.

So many gambling platform doesn't required kyc and some people I know even though kyc is needed some people do refuse very their accounts because they feel not to expose their identity, but for me I cannot make such mistakes by not verifying my account in any document, so documentation of identification is necessary for me in a platform but people disagree or refuse to ensure that KYC is normally verify in the account and when their funds is being seized they will start complaining of platform have seized their funds

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Quote from: xSkylarx on August 29, 2023, 01:05:39 AM

I've seen a lot of issues like this when there is mandatory KYC. I mean is that if others won, that is where the casino is somewhat not giving your winnings by not passing your KYC. Even though it is already clear and all requirements are there, they probably manipulated it after you've just deposited and won. That is why you should always do the KYC and your winnings will follow, so that it is clear that if the casino won't give your winnings, then it is a complete scam.

Before using any casino we should read the terms and conditions of the casino and when it's too much for you to read, just read the FAQ section and understand how the casino operates because they always have the rules they follow clearly written out but people ignore them.

Unless a casino is a scam casino, they won't write something else in their terms and condition and do something different. Because if they do that, you can sue them for it therefore they're always careful to follow the terms and conditions they have set for their customers.

Casino make it care if they'll allow you withdraw without KYC or not and some fo further to explain the reason why they might request for additional verification if they suspect something not been right with your withdrawal and to avoid all this, just pass your KYC on time.

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Quote from: shogun47 on August 30, 2023, 07:31:11 AM

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on August 21, 2023, 06:32:38 AM

I don't know where some gamblers are getting their confidence from, do you know that online casinos can keep rejecting your ID after you made some high amount of money? Some people cares about winning first before passing KYC, it's cool you believe that you won't always win but the luck comes when we least expected.

Imagine winning and you find it hard to pass KYC, trapping your money on the casino for like ever.

It's not always the casinos fault, I know some are dubious but the thing is KYC verification is something you should first deal with before making your first deposit.

Online casinos can be frustrating at times, some casino won't accept your submitted document even when you haven't make any deposit on the platform yet, so always confirm your identity first.

Submit your identity and wait for approval, do not be in haste to make deposit first, because the identity you submitted without a green approval from the team can still be rejected, take your time to get the passed approval first before proceeding with gambling.

That's why, as gamblers in this industry, we must first learn to read their terms and conditions or rules regarding these things. We know that most gambling casinos today will say no, but in the long run, they will require you to submit when you release a large amount of winnings on their platform.

But I have seen something now, even if you make a deposit, you can withdraw it immediately without doing anything; you need to meet the wager amount first before withdrawing. I'm not even sure, but it seems like I read something here in the forum about the testimonial of someone who used it and tried it.

But I have noticed that the burden is shifted onto the player more and more often even in this forum although everybody knows the minor and major issues with casinos.

A rule I have always been in favor of would be to require KYC before a deposit can be made. I would immediately go for it if it is a reputable casino and there are no massive complaints about them all over the place. The practice to advertise with no KYC, let someone deposit and then out of a sudden force someone into KYC is wrong.

Another issue is that casinos barely provide evidence themselves whereas everyone attacks players who complain about denied payouts.

By the way, does anyone know the reason why some casinos would not let a player withdraw a deposit to the same address because they first require the amount to be wagered? It can't be protection against money laundering, can it? Because if I use the same method to the same address/account, how would I have laundered anything? In my opinion this is really to get people stuck. If someone deposits 100 USD and decides to withdraw it for whatever reason before having placed any bets, what would the issue be?

You would really be able to tell that you are dealing with a shady casino on the time that there's sudden changes in terms and regulations in regarding about KYC. This is why its always been that recommended that you
should really be that able to read up with those TOS and as much as possible it would be better that you should take up some screenshot so that if there would be some possible alterations then you would be able to counter back on what they are trying to implement on which if there are some notable or obvious changes then you could really make out that kind of argumentation which not like when you havent done or having those read ups and this is why it would really be that ideal if you do have that kind at least that behavior on knowing something so that you could really be able to make some reasoning later on if ever things turns out to be shit. KYC before you could be able to play is highly been frowned upon on this market on which it would really be just that normal that crypto casinos would be just be having on the current state of compliance which including out those potential KYC if ever you do violate something.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 30, 2023, 10:17:57 AM

By the way, there is another huge disadvantage of going through the KYC in advance: if we are dealing with a dishonest casino, then they can make money by selling our data to third parties. Judging by the fact that there are a lot of similar goods on dark markets, many services earn money by this (I don’t believe that all of them were “hacked”).

Good point, but even legit casinos (or other businesses) can have customer data information "leaks" which I suspect, a lot of times, could be due to some rogue employees stealing and selling data on the dark market. This happens on all levels, including banks.

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Quote from: $crypto$ on August 29, 2023, 02:05:10 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on August 29, 2023, 01:53:31 PM

It turns out that there is no dilemma. After all, if we play in a dishonest casino, then we won’t get our winnings even with KYC, even without KYC. But if we play in an honest casino, then we will receive our winnings after we pass the KYC. It turns out that if you look at it this way, then there is simply no point in going through the KYC in advance (including because the chances of a big win are low).

Dishonest casinos then in any game by the user will be cheated they only intend to highlight the customer's money so why KYC first if we already know even the casino is dishonest?

I understand this statement, even if you win but play an unfair casino then the winnings will be withheld for various reasons as the user cannot do much even though he has passed the KYC.
Yes we already know a fair casino here, so no need to worry even if we don't KYC the winnings will still be ours.

By the way, there is another huge disadvantage of going through the KYC in advance: if we are dealing with a dishonest casino, then they can make money by selling our data to third parties. Judging by the fact that there are a lot of similar goods on dark markets, many services earn money by this (I don’t believe that all of them were “hacked”).

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Quote from: xSkylarx on August 29, 2023, 01:05:39 AM

I've seen a lot of issues like this when there is mandatory KYC. I mean is that if others won, that is where the casino is somewhat not giving your winnings by not passing your KYC. Even though it is already clear and all requirements are there, they probably manipulated it after you've just deposited and won. That is why you should always do the KYC and your winnings will follow, so that it is clear that if the casino won't give your winnings, then it is a complete scam.

maybe for scam casinos it will do this but for reputable casinos i am sure there will be no such manipulation. because reputable casinos usually always ask for KYC earlier, even if its only level 1, to continue making deposits or withdrawals and regarding winnings at casinos, this is actually just about luck, maybe it can be manipulated, but trusted casinos do not that because they prioritize customer satisfaction, so casino not will manipulate regarding the KYC.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on August 30, 2023, 03:54:42 AM

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on August 21, 2023, 06:32:38 AM

I don't know where some gamblers are getting their confidence from, do you know that online casinos can keep rejecting your ID after you made some high amount of money? Some people cares about winning first before passing KYC, it's cool you believe that you won't always win but the luck comes when we least expected.

Imagine winning and you find it hard to pass KYC, trapping your money on the casino for like ever.

It's not always the casinos fault, I know some are dubious but the thing is KYC verification is something you should first deal with before making your first deposit.

Online casinos can be frustrating at times, some casino won't accept your submitted document even when you haven't make any deposit on the platform yet, so always confirm your identity first.

Submit your identity and wait for approval, do not be in haste to make deposit first, because the identity you submitted without a green approval from the team can still be rejected, take your time to get the passed approval first before proceeding with gambling.

That's why, as gamblers in this industry, we must first learn to read their terms and conditions or rules regarding these things. We know that most gambling casinos today will say no, but in the long run, they will require you to submit when you release a large amount of winnings on their platform.

But I have seen something now, even if you make a deposit, you can withdraw it immediately without doing anything; you need to meet the wager amount first before withdrawing. I'm not even sure, but it seems like I read something here in the forum about the testimonial of someone who used it and tried it.

But I have noticed that the burden is shifted onto the player more and more often even in this forum although everybody knows the minor and major issues with casinos.

A rule I have always been in favor of would be to require KYC before a deposit can be made. I would immediately go for it if it is a reputable casino and there are no massive complaints about them all over the place. The practice to advertise with no KYC, let someone deposit and then out of a sudden force someone into KYC is wrong.

Another issue is that casinos barely provide evidence themselves whereas everyone attacks players who complain about denied payouts.

By the way, does anyone know the reason why some casinos would not let a player withdraw a deposit to the same address because they first require the amount to be wagered? It can't be protection against money laundering, can it? Because if I use the same method to the same address/account, how would I have laundered anything? In my opinion this is really to get people stuck. If someone deposits 100 USD and decides to withdraw it for whatever reason before having placed any bets, what would the issue be?

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on August 21, 2023, 06:32:38 AM

I don't know where some gamblers are getting their confidence from, do you know that online casinos can keep rejecting your ID after you made some high amount of money? Some people cares about winning first before passing KYC, it's cool you believe that you won't always win but the luck comes when we least expected.

Imagine winning and you find it hard to pass KYC, trapping your money on the casino for like ever.

It's not always the casinos fault, I know some are dubious but the thing is KYC verification is something you should first deal with before making your first deposit.

Online casinos can be frustrating at times, some casino won't accept your submitted document even when you haven't make any deposit on the platform yet, so always confirm your identity first.

Submit your identity and wait for approval, do not be in haste to make deposit first, because the identity you submitted without a green approval from the team can still be rejected, take your time to get the passed approval first before proceeding with gambling.

That's why, as gamblers in this industry, we must first learn to read their terms and conditions or rules regarding these things. We know that most gambling casinos today will say no, but in the long run, they will require you to submit when you release a large amount of winnings on their platform.

But I have seen something now, even if you make a deposit, you can withdraw it immediately without doing anything; you need to meet the wager amount first before withdrawing. I'm not even sure, but it seems like I read something here in the forum about the testimonial of someone who used it and tried it.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on August 29, 2023, 02:09:57 PM

Yeah one of the scariest things I've seen people do is fill out, or try to fill out their KYC stuff after they've been gambling for some time or after a big when and needing to pull funds out, then realizing in order to do so they've got to fill out all the KYC stuff..and then get frustrated /stuck not realizing they were going to have to do this. Best to get it out of the way ahead of time.

I've had some friends run in to trouble with this who "game" of KYC.

And we can't refuse it and must do KYC to withdraw the money. If we don't want to do KYC, we have to leave the casino and will not use a casino that requires us to do KYC. For crypto casinos, it will eventually become an obligation for all their customers to do KYC because of regulations or rather pressure from regulators who want to supervise crypto casinos and their users.

The multi-million dollar gambling and crypto-casino business is thriving, making regulators feel the need to exercise tighter oversight than ever before. Regulators are concerned that crypto casinos are used as places for illegal activities such as money laundering or others, so they ask casinos to perform KYC on their users. I don't know whether, in the future, crypto users can still play gambling freely without having to do KYC or whether the demand for doing KYC will be even more stringent than now.

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Quote from: Kasabus on August 29, 2023, 02:55:48 AM

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on August 21, 2023, 06:32:38 AM

I don't know where some gamblers are getting their confidence from, do you know that online casinos can keep rejecting your ID after you made some high amount of money?

You have almost completely described my situation.

Being a beginner, I came to play in one of the Russian poker rooms. It was called Poker. I didn't even think that I could win anything, so I didn't go through the KYC as soon as I entered my first deposit. And I do not know how it happened, but I took second place in one of the tournaments, winning 94 dollars!
Of course, I immediately decided to withdraw them, but then I was waiting for a trick from the casino, which I did not expect: the casino began to reject my documents, citing their poor quality or insufficient information.
And I still haven't withdraw those money.

Therefore, I advise everyone to think about the passage of the KYC immediately at the casino.

If you're just looking for fun while only gambling a few of your funds then not having through KYC is a good move because those money which I bet are the ones you can just afford to lose in-exchange of the fun and entertainment you're having and if you win big, I think that is where the problem would exist and that is why you should only gamble less in-exchange for small winnings so that you can just skate your own way without them detecting you.

True, but there are situations when you just want to have a good time spending a few tens of dollars on slots or poker, and mentally say goodbye to this deposit. And therefore do not pass the KYC. But suddenly you win again and again, and now the deposit has tripled. And you will already want to withdraw this amount from the poker or gaming platform, and the KYC has not been passed. Which may entail the situation that I described in the previous post. This is a standard situation, I had this in poker.
I think you will be agree with me - you never know for sure how the deposit that you have allocated will play just to have a good time, without expectations of a big win.

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Yeah one of the scariest things I've seen people do is fill out, or try to fill out their KYC stuff after they've been gambling for some time or after a big when and needing to pull funds out, then realizing in order to do so they've got to fill out all the KYC stuff..and then get frustrated /stuck not realizing they were going to have to do this. Best to get it out of the way ahead of time.

I've had some friends run in to trouble with this who "game" of KYC.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 29, 2023, 01:53:31 PM

It turns out that there is no dilemma. After all, if we play in a dishonest casino, then we won’t get our winnings even with KYC, even without KYC. But if we play in an honest casino, then we will receive our winnings after we pass the KYC. It turns out that if you look at it this way, then there is simply no point in going through the KYC in advance (including because the chances of a big win are low).

Dishonest casinos then in any game by the user will be cheated they only intend to highlight the customer's money so why KYC first if we already know even the casino is dishonest?

I understand this statement, even if you win but play an unfair casino then the winnings will be withheld for various reasons as the user cannot do much even though he has passed the KYC.
Yes we already know a fair casino here, so no need to worry even if we don't KYC the winnings will still be ours.

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Quote from: makishart on August 29, 2023, 03:22:17 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on August 28, 2023, 11:15:43 AM

It is logical, but you know that many casinos delay payments (or try not to make them at all) under the pretext of passing the KYC? You can always find some kind of violation in the documents/compliance with the rules of the casino, etc. if it is necessary. Therefore, there is a logic in it to go through the KYC in advance in order to get guarantees that the casino will not deceive you here.

It's still a dilemma as for now to pass KYC now or later. Play with low amounts of money on a reliable casino platform to avoid KYC verification. Even though if our account gets limited and we can pass verification safely without worrying to much about the data breach. This is a never ending problem related to the casino. People just need to be sick with a reputable casino. Untrustworthy casinos can still deceive you even if you have passed KYC verification.
Seeing so many cases related to this problem since a long time ago in the scam accusations section.

It turns out that there is no dilemma. After all, if we play in a dishonest casino, then we won’t get our winnings even with KYC, even without KYC. But if we play in an honest casino, then we will receive our winnings after we pass the KYC. It turns out that if you look at it this way, then there is simply no point in going through the KYC in advance (including because the chances of a big win are low).

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Quote from: 8rch7 on August 29, 2023, 04:51:30 AM

Quote from: STT on August 28, 2023, 02:13:17 PM

Ive had this in the past, I failed to see the company was reluctant to allow valid withdrawals. After submitting a driving license and photo id they wanted an original birth certificate to be sent by post, something not originally asked for. So even after having kyc it was never enough hence I had jumped the gun assuming I could withdraw.
The best solution might be arbitrage and making two bets on a game for or against, if you lose on the account you cannot withdraw from but win elsewhere this might equate to a withdrawal you cannot otherwise physically make.

Its not good ideas because created multiple account is not allowed in some gabling term of service rule, actually its good planning with your opinion how take care when something bad happen with account suddenly freeze. I don't think any gamble want to get risk created multiple gambling account and want to bet for both account although to get bigger chance for winning, what happen later if both account get freeze and how ideas to solve it when required with KYC.
will allowed use one document ID for submitting to both gambling account? not get one but both account gambling will freeze immediately when adopting with your ideas in gambling platform.

@STT was referring to two accounts on different platforms and I understand what he means. He said that you place one bet on platform A (which denies your documents) and one bet on platform B on the same even, but counter to the outcome of the bet on platform A. You would have to look out for bets with two outcomes only and with low spreads. It is essentially like a withdrawal from platform A, but it comes at a cost every single time because the odds are usually not that good (or the spread of the odds between the two different outcomes is too high).

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Quote from: STT on August 28, 2023, 02:13:17 PM

Ive had this in the past, I failed to see the company was reluctant to allow valid withdrawals. After submitting a driving license and photo id they wanted an original birth certificate to be sent by post, something not originally asked for. So even after having kyc it was never enough hence I had jumped the gun assuming I could withdraw.
The best solution might be arbitrage and making two bets on a game for or against, if you lose on the account you cannot withdraw from but win elsewhere this might equate to a withdrawal you cannot otherwise physically make.

Its not good ideas because created multiple account is not allowed in some gabling term of service rule, actually its good planning with your opinion how take care when something bad happen with account suddenly freeze. I don't think any gamble want to get risk created multiple gambling account and want to bet for both account although to get bigger chance for winning, what happen later if both account get freeze and how ideas to solve it when required with KYC.
will allowed use one document ID for submitting to both gambling account? not get one but both account gambling will freeze immediately when adopting with your ideas in gambling platform.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 28, 2023, 11:15:43 AM

Quote from: m2017 on August 28, 2023, 09:59:01 AM

In general, I am not a KYC's supporter, but if the gambler won an impressive amount of prize money, then here, there is no other way out but to go through this procedure. But to do this before you win, if you win at all, you would never do it. Why transfer your personal data to the casino without a good reason? You have not won anything yet and whether you will win at all, the question remains open, and you are already disclosing information about yourself. I consider it pointless. Verification at KYC in a casino without a reputation is also a stupid act, and even more so, playing them for your own money. If you are lucky with a win, then only KYC, otherwise - no. Problems need to be addressed only as it arise.

It is logical, but you know that many casinos delay payments (or try not to make them at all) under the pretext of passing the KYC? You can always find some kind of violation in the documents/compliance with the rules of the casino, etc. if it is necessary. Therefore, there is a logic in it to go through the KYC in advance in order to get guarantees that the casino will not deceive you here.

It's still a dilemma as for now to pass KYC now or later. Play with low amounts of money on a reliable casino platform to avoid KYC verification. Even though if our account gets limited and we can pass verification safely without worrying to much about the data breach. This is a never ending problem related to the casino. People just need to be sick with a reputable casino. Untrustworthy casinos can still deceive you even if you have passed KYC verification.
Seeing so many cases related to this problem since a long time ago in the scam accusations section.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on August 21, 2023, 06:32:38 AM

I don't know where some gamblers are getting their confidence from, do you know that online casinos can keep rejecting your ID after you made some high amount of money?

You have almost completely described my situation.

Being a beginner, I came to play in one of the Russian poker rooms. It was called Poker. I didn't even think that I could win anything, so I didn't go through the KYC as soon as I entered my first deposit. And I do not know how it happened, but I took second place in one of the tournaments, winning 94 dollars!
Of course, I immediately decided to withdraw them, but then I was waiting for a trick from the casino, which I did not expect: the casino began to reject my documents, citing their poor quality or insufficient information.
And I still haven't withdraw those money.

Therefore, I advise everyone to think about the passage of the KYC immediately at the casino.

If you're just looking for fun while only gambling a few of your funds then not having through KYC is a good move because those money which I bet are the ones you can just afford to lose in-exchange of the fun and entertainment you're having and if you win big, I think that is where the problem would exist and that is why you should only gamble less in-exchange for small winnings so that you can just skate your own way without them detecting you.

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