Topic: I won 85,000 USDt in Owl.games casino (OWL.GAMES SCAM) - page 3. (Read 1524 times)

You are scammers, I don't need your 8k$, I suggest you change your casino name, because I doubt that you will still be profitable with such advertisements.

OWL.games what evidence have you presented here?

I already submitted these screenshots a few days ago. I WILL REPEAT ONCE AGAIN THAT I CAN PROVE EVERY WORD AND FACT THROUGH A VIDEO CALL.

I got this skype screenshot from another forum member. And what does it change? anyway would you expect an official report? so how did i fool you here? where did i say this report is real? wow.

Let's wait for the gaming investigation report then.

If the report proves his winning in the previous slots game are legit we will release his remaining 8k profit.

Tho we are not 'encouraged' to pay to close the case before the security report is out: we've got enough daily spam in our ANN threads and support channel every day, also we've got threat too. If this has been a very polite wait for both parties, things won't grow this way.

and for proof of screenshots holydarkness asked for, we just do not want to do it twice as we already sent in our ANN.

But here you go. Here are some of them.

https://imgur.com/a/vAswpbF

But OK let's do the right thing, we wait for the report.

Wow, that was low. Will never go to OWL for sure...

Thanks, holydarkness has already answered OWL.games additional questions, I have nothing to add.

Also OWL.games said that they blocked only casino games, but real and sports betting has been blocked, why? why only two games are allowed to play and both of them are created and controlled by you

I CAN SHOW MY OTHER CASINO ACCOUNTS (STAKE.COM, BC.GAME, 500.casino, bitsler and others), EMAIL, OWL.GAMES ACCOUNT, bitcointalk.org private messages, telegram via video call to back up each of my words / fact.

Thread is fun to read but it's also getting worse. Owlgames blackmailing to not allow withdrawal of the remaining 8k if this thread is not deleted is not cool. Remind yourself that you are running a business, you don't wanna make a mess.

OP losing 70k, I think now is his loss for playing still when he could have waited to get it all by waiting for the gaming investigation result. Don't play the 8k.

[1] As others has pointed, you're rather misleading and IMO tries to drive the narrative to sway into your way. That is not a good impression to show to public as a responsible company. OP did NOT admitting anything about faking a chat with the "security team", nor trying to blame aew --because aew IS the one to blame. OP didn't say he faked the chat, it's just made known by others by piecing the screenshots by OP that the dirt is on aew for the said evidence, and it's been offered on my previous post that the said point to be removed from this accusation. Everybody here understand the situation, not sure why you failed to see it too, or if you actually understood, then I can't see why you keep bringing this up.

[2]
Again, as pointed out several times, the case is irrelevant to OP's membership age. Although there are cases in the past --and future-- that a scammer does use a brand new alt to scam someone and protect their higher ranked and older membership from being exposed. But so far OP's reasoning is acceptable --partly because you still refuses to give your evidences--, and we gives every side here a benefit of doubts, including you. Tell me, honestly, in your opinion, let's say I browsed through Amazon for the past three years, keep looking for items I wanted to buy, reading reviews and descriptions, and then one day, I finally signed up, purchased an item, and when it's delivered to me, it's malfunctioning. I opened a complaint ticket. Would the Amazon staff said, "No, you're a scammer. Your account is three days old and on your first purchase you instantly said the product had an issue?"

[3]
Irrelevant. Can't see why him winning and losing gives even a teaspoon to the weight on the scale for this case. If any, it just show (1) he IS a big gambler --70k? come on, it's huge-- or (2) you deliberately let him play the only game that you know he would lose, a lot, so that the final due that has to be paid would be much lower. I agreed with OP, why did you only allowed him to play that specific game? Why not others? Why only that one?

[4]
These part repulse me so much. You're basically blackmailing him on your point number 2. While for point number 3, I asked you again, and this is the... well I actually lost count how many times you failed to address this simple question to you: what is the time frame? How difficult is it to pull data that the OP is cheating or legit? How long has it been? Eight days? Wow. I don't think it is that difficult for a CEO or even the head of security team to glance around their server room, look at a random head and say, "You, leave whatever you're doing and dig through this user's log. I want a full report before you clocking out today."

Tell you what, how about you tell us the name of that bgaming provider and if they have an account here, or even create an account --after verifying in some way that they're indeed the representative of bgaming and not you pretending to be him, much like the stunt aew pulled-- to address this issue and we'll add them to this equation?

[5]
Just to be clear here, no one is encouraging you to pay TO close this case. As said above, we give everyone the benefit of doubts. We are NOT asking you to "ahh fook it, just pay the OP and continue with our business before it dragged us further into the mud". We are asking you to give evidences --and professional response, where blackmailing and consitently ignoring questions from other members are definitely not professional-- on the hundreds case on this sub-board, there are more than handful where the accuser is actually someone who cheated and tried to scam, and we are here to see the end of it. So yeah, there still some chances that OP faked something and he is the scammer --I bolded that part just in case you suddenly claimed I "admit" that OP faked something. But guess what can helps us get to the bottom of this case and see who is wrong and who is right? One word, eight letters, start with an "E".

[6] Suspicious behavior, fake skype and fake telegram. Proofs? Screenshots? Anything to back up this claim? It start with an "E'....... And when you said "He sent the BGAMING chats to us in multiple ways, [...]" were you referring to the screenshot of chat with aew? Hddh? I'm ready to throw my hands in exasperation here, just cue me.

[7] How to address this situation? Well, if I may humbly suggest: one, you can start acting like how a PR of an honored company should be; professional. Two, you can also try replying questions given to you. Three, it'll be extremely much appreciated if you can give the timeframe of how long you tried to figure out and gathered evidence against the OP. And as an addition, four, you can start explaining the reason and the thinking behind why opening his account and initial deposit, but only allowed him to play one extremely super very specific game?

[8] Again, irrelevant. Do I need a specific reason and need to made it public why I buy things from Shopee, a quite small marketplace, while I can actually "toured" to Amazon or EBay or Wallmart or Alibaba? I can't see how OP's preference contributed on this matter, unless you're saying that he deliberately went to your casino to take advantage of some bug he found, which would be plausible IF you can give the evidence backing up that counter-accusation.

As a closing note, I spent one and a half hour on my tiny tiny phone screen separating your posts into sub-topics and marking this post with numbers. If you'd do me the honor of answering all of the points I asked above. Please do us a favor and just put the number accosiated with the sub-topic I asked, no need to make the page unbearably long with our quote or a long quote of a long quote of an even longer quote.

Also there is one thing that confuses us a lot, which we hope someone could give us an hint.

If an experienced gambler like OP can win stably in certain games such as the BGAMING slot ones, he could do so in big casinos such as stake.com or roobet.io,

those are many credited casinos out there and clearly he knows them too.

But why he toured around different casinos to play the same slot games?

From his posted history we can see him betting on a lot of smaller size of casinos like owl.games (we are indeed a much smaller casino comparing to the big ones)

We could not understand why to be honest.

So if we pay, the scam thread will still be open? Shouldn't it be resolved?

Also apart from this scam thread, the OP has spammed our ANN threads, which we think should be deleted once he gets his withdrawals.


By the way, we are still waiting for security checks. if the checks failed, we will pay NOTHING.


For Jolly, please note this is a man who claimed this is his first bitcointalk account and also is very suspicious on many behaviours.


He sent the BGAMING chats to us in multiple ways, now claiming it's from someone else.

How do we know it's not himself faking the conversation on telegram as well? Since the skype chat was faked, which is confirmed.


We offered to process his 8k profit just trying to settle issue faster, but we'd love to hear about how should deal with case correctly too.

We unlocked his accounts per suggestion in the thread saying he should not have his account banned.


And we refuned his initial deposit while waiting for check. But now it seems this caused more problems for us.

When someone associated with Owl Games (or any other casino) posts openly about not liking their attitude or conduct in any issue especially when it comes to scam accusations, it means there is something wrong. I think Owl Games have lost the PR side of the argument because they have failed to maintain a balance when posting here.

They also lost the public relations side of the issue when they sent the email to the OP making the threat and that was an unnecessary course of action. I hope Owl Games can post here without making threats or attacking the OP. We all are waiting for the issue to be resolved and the first step is by reading what BGaming have to say about it.

As a staker of Owltoken I'm disappointed with the outcome of this issue, majority of gamblers will not accept this kind of attitude from a casino if the winner deserves his winning even if he posted something bad about a casino he deserves to get his cashout deleting is on the complainant's decision he can request the complainant to delete all the bad comments but blackmailing will not do good for the casino's reputation.
OP already lose the money he is fighting to receive and it adds insult to injury that you threaten not to give the remaining money.

Just to make it clear I am not saying the OP is correct and Owl Games are wrong regarding the scam accusation, I am keeping an open mind on this subject until BGaming make their findings known. I am just trying to understand the evidence as has been presented by the OP and Owl Games and am keeping an open mind.

Having said that I think the only mistake the OP is making is posting here excessively even though mostly there are screenshots and basis attached, whereas the mistakes the Owl Games representative is making by posting trying to attack the OP is really not befitting of a casino that has a reputation.

I am reposting the message to make the image visible to all reading the thread. Will Owl Games say the image is fake because going by their previous post trying to blackmail the OP in to deleting his posts regarding Owl Games (and classifying this scam accusation as resolved), the image seems real to me.



If this is the way things are going in this thread and going by the way the Owl Games representative has been posting, it does make you wonder if their reputation will recover from this regardless of what BGaming conclude in their findings.

The outcome is also a big disappointment for me, if the complainant is satisfied with how the casino resolved the issue he will of his own volition will delete all the spam messages, OP deserves that $8k release if you keep holding, it will backfire on Owltoken's reputation, and this thread will be a reference on how Owlgame behaves on how they address the issue on winning a big amount.
Blackmailing should never be a part of the casino's reputation.

I'm not going to delete thread, I'm just going to create a page to post your accusations, lies, all evidence and I'm going to actively promote that page.

I think and hope that this whole story will cause you more harm than it would have caused if you had honestly paid out my winnings.

Fact that you will not be approved for $8k payout until I delete this thread is a clear indication that you are running a scam.

You know very well that I won money honestly, but from the first minute you accused me of cheating while playing, blocked my account, then unblocked it.. (why did your "risk team" decide to unblock, even though report has not yet been received?)

If you think I cheated, why did you give me my deposit back? (because if I had cheated you would have been able to stay)

Why were only dice games you made allowed to be played? maybe that lost was unfair.. but we will never know

I will update this thread every day. In the coming days, I will contact with other crypto casinos and ask them to publicly comment on how realistic everything is and what the deadlines.

https://ibb.co/TKVWB67 

Owl.Games Please don't act like a saint . Instead of only  blocking OP's withdrawal request until Bgaming provider checks betting activities of the user , not only did you go go against your terms to ask for unnecessary KYC but you also decided from the start to criminalize OP even before investigations were done .  The outcome of OP betting all his balance is the best situation for you at this moment . I hope all reputable members in this forum notice your unethical and unprofessional behaviour and tag your account to protect future potential users coming from this forum .

I am very disappointed by your reply. It is not appropriate for a reputable casino to stoop to low levels, I expected much more of a customer friendly tone from a forum representative of Owl Games.

I might have it wrong but these are the important parts of your reply that I can break down:

1) You are posting to misdirect people here by being very economical with the truth regarding the BGaming chat and mentioning the OP history. The OP made it clear the scammer who tried to extort money from him is the one who faked the chats.

2) You are trying to associate your problem with the OP by connecting his forum account activity (or possible account history) here. His conduct and activity (or lack of) has nothing to do with his accusation that Owl Games have scammed him therefore you should not be trying to misdirect people with this.

3) You are giving the OP an ultimatum which is almost tantamount to blackmail by saying "If he wants to settle and resolve the issue earlier he should delete all spam messages and mark this case as resolved". Surely that is something that any scam accuser can only do after they receive the funds they believe they are owed and a mutually accepted payout has been agreed.

By saying you will solve the matter earlier if he deletes all his messages and marks the scam accusation as resolved as pre-condition before him even knowing whether he will receive any funds or not - is unacceptable conduct from Owl Games and I am extremely disappointed to read what wrote.

4) A person who is making an accusation of scam should not have his resentful emails be used by the accused to make an excuse to stop him from being paid what he believes he is owed or to discredit him. Most people who believed they were scammed would probably not be writing extremely polite emails to the company that they claim scammed them while asking for their confiscated funds to be returned.

Right now, even you do not know what the outcome of the case will be because you also are waiting for BGaming to give their verdict on the situation. Maybe you should refrain from attacking the character of the OP until you announce the BGaming decision. Maybe he is a very shrewd and conniving liar and scammer who tried to fool Owl Games but got caught or maybe he is just victim of Owl Games having a strict fraud check department and his winnings will be paid to him. Let us wait to see what BGaming say about it before you and the OP comment on their judgement.

hey sorry guys, as OP has been spamming in our ANN thread so we put our response there for the last three days.

Basically what happened in a nutshell:

The OP admitted that the BGAMING chats are fake. Yeah. But he blamed it on someone else who DM him via bitcointalk.

The OP said he is so familiar with bitcointalk but he never had any acc before because he ONLY viewed its contents.

We unlocked his account and processed his withdrawal request for initial deposit of 2000 USDT.

Since we haven't heard back from BGAMING yet his acc is not allowed to play slots.

He played DICE game for quite a while, which has a $500 max bet limit, won once but lost 70k profit.

He now still has a pending 8k profit withdrawal.

He has now two choices:

1. Waiting for BGAMING security checks: if the bets are legit, he need to resolve this case to get his withdrawal
2. If he wants to settle and resolve the issue earlier he should delete all spam messages and mark this case as resolved.
3. If the checks are not legit, he gets nothing. As of now we haven't heard back from them.


Side story:

Also OP said in our ANN that 80k profit is life-changing. But he also sent us an resentful email regarding not accepting the 8k profit as settlement but want to take down our business by constant spamming in the future.


Link to ANN:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/owlgames-web-30-crypto-casino-sportsbook-btc-metamask-walletconnect-5378280

This was taken from their official ANN thread


I have to agree with owlgames representative for his first point quoted above, we already have an active accusation here where both parties are present. I'd suggest OP to stay on this thread and not doing simultaneous discussion on both thread. It'll be quite difficult for anyone who following this case to catch up with evidences, statements, and other things related to the accusation if you divide the discussion into two threads.

For instance, the case of "that conversation is fake", it could actually put some weight into the consideration for this case, and due to OP throwing discussion elsewhere, people here --the Neutrals, if I may borrow JollyGood's words-- might not getting it.

Ok, with that said, one point that I'm trying to tackle and shed some light into here is the doubt from owlgames that OP is a scammer, which would made them reluctant to expedite the case --disregarding, for now, if that action is justified or not-- because from their perspective, OP "fabricated" an evidence. Add that to the fact that OP's account here is brand new, he uses anon telegram, etc. etc. etc. that owlgames said here^[1], it just strengthen the doubt because --maybe, according to their POV-- if OP can "fabricate" a chat history, why can't he fabricate a screenshot of bet history?

While, from OP's side, he believed all of his evidences are valid and honest. He did has all of the chat history with a "security team from bgaming", thus owlgames' accusation that he made up the conversation is unacceptable and that's just their way to twist the truth.

Now, how about this: there is, in fact, no conversation with security team, but both party is still true to their words, because the true culprit behind this fake evidence is extrarakeback... oops, I mean to say aew. I think we can all agree that it's been established that he's a scammer and he has his own agenda for this case. So he approached OP, pretending that he can help, lying about the chat with security team and fed that to the OP in hope for some reward. Thus, when he was denied of the reward, he tried to change sides.


As the chat history suggest --let's pretend for a sec that the chat history between him and "security team" is true-- that owlgames cheated OP, how on earth the person who witnessed it firsthandedly suddenly changed his mind and think that now OP is the scammer. I mean, he's the one who contacted "his friend" and was the one assured that OP won fairly. And since that he had a past history of faking transaction, faking reviews, scamming people, abusing merits, and god know what else he did in the past, it is not too far fetched that aew also faked his conversation with security team.

So, I suggest to remove the chat with security team and any other evidences that's related to aew from evidences for this case.

And, ultimately, speaking of evidences, owlgames I am still waiting for your counter-evidence of OP's betting history. As how the discussion on other thread suggest that it is quite strange for OP to screenshot every bet he did, and that it is not difficult nowadays to fabricate images, the only way that I can see that you can do to invalidate OP's evidence is if you can prove an evenmore legit bet log. Honestly, how difficult is it to get into your system and pull his betting data? I am quite sure that you can do such data pulling from your database, so I have no idea why can't you provide them the second it is asked, and it's been days since it's asked and you still can't provide them.

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^[1] as other had said, new accounts etc. etc. didn't directy means the OP is a scammer who hid his identity, furthermore, OP even offered to prove a video call, ultimately giving an absolute KYC. So your excuse that OP is scammer because of his accounts' age is very very irrelevant. Find something else to attack him, smarter this time. Oh, before I forget, L-O-L.

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I've been wanting to address your post before, but decided against it as it's rather out of topic because I can't see how their token price related to the scam accusation. What I was trying to say that time was something that goes with the line, "It's not decining now because, truthfully, how many from the entire "investors" actually do their DD and researched about the project they're trying to invest on? But if the cases keep piling upon their closet, there won't be much room in it to hide their skeleton and eventually everybody, be it the ones who do a thorough DD or someone who just glanced ad price chart and dive in head first into the investment, would know, and price would snowballed from that point forward.

Now, to address your implied suggestion that everything would be solved by unlocking OP's account, I have to say that the solution is like slapping a band aid over a crack in a huge dam. Suppose that OP is the right one and owlgames cheated their members --though at this point I urge everybody to stay neutral because the evidences are quite poluted. Thanks again to aew and owlgames' reluctance to provide any counter-evidence--, what could be the guarantee that this case wont repeat itself in the future? Another victim whose account got locked unfairly. A ban hammer slapped unilaterally? May I remind all of us that owlgames has their other --at least this one is unearthed and successfully made public-- misbehavior with moonbet that almost tainted moonbet's reputation if they didn't act quickly. That is why, it is not a simple case of unlocking the account and unfreezing all the fund. The case shouldn't just end there. It is best to know if owlgames has a tendency to cheat their members and throwing ban hammer like candies on halloween or OP is --by a turn of event-- the scammer here.

That is why owlgames ---ohh look at that, I even bolded their name three times in a post just to catch their attention-- provide your own proofs to invalidate OP's claim, FFS. What's so difficult about it if you're the right one here and --as per your claim-- OP is lying?

The market price of Owl token has a huge drop I hope it has nothing to do with this issue 10% drop is not good Owlgame show sign that they are willing to settle this issue by unlocking OP's account and giving back his deposit, we still want to get the report from the providers its very important for transparency, the longer it drags on, it's not good for Owlgame and the token as well.

Maybe there will be another update from the Owl Games representative soon. Until then there does not need to be this much speculation and comments in this thread.

The OP has made his point and made a very strong claim with a lot of evidence. Owl Games need time to be able to respond in full. They have already refunded the OP his original bet and unlocked the account too but I think giving them some time to update us with their next step is the best thing to do.

I thought that you had problem with Bgaming providers at BC.game as you said this


BC.game support agent told you to wait up to 72 hours when you requested for the information (Bgaming investigating time). It had made me confused. However, seems like Owl.games representative has only considered 0.00× multiplier bet as a losing bet. The behaviour of OWL.games representative isn't professional here. There is no reason to consider a bet as a winning bet if the multiplier is less than 1.01×.

The positive thing is that they have decided to give back your deposited amount before the investigation is completed.