Ibrahimovic under FIFA and UEFA investigation

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Quote from: Marvelman on April 14, 2021, 03:58:55 PM

I believe the fine he faces is not 100 million Euros, but rather 100,000 Euros and a three-year suspension.
I couldn't find the source in English to quote.

true what you said bro ... maybe this will be the end of ibrahim moviz's career ... because ibrahim moviz has been involved in gambling stock issues, fifa has to pay heavy rewards, so that other players don't get involved in similar cases ..
must provide a deterrent effect ..

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Quote from: Zilon on May 15, 2021, 02:15:51 AM

Although it's against Uefa rules. But having a commission in betting shouldn't warrant such a heavy levy. Does it mean sports men aren't entitled to owning an investment in the sector?

Since betting is part of the business becoming a partner in the betting industry shouldn't be a crime and as such it should be a welcome development if footballers and other sports athletes partner therein. Unless there could be something the aren't telling us

There is nothing wrong with receiving some sponsorship from the casino because players are providing a service, they are lending their image to the casino and in return they receive some money, the relationship is clear and there is nothing wrong with that, but being a partial owner of a casino is a completely different thing, now they are invested in how well the casino is doing and they have the power to alter the results, this is not a good position to find yourself in, now no one is accusing Ibrahimovic that he in fact cheated, he has simply put himself in a position in which this is a possibility and it is why it is forbidden.

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Quote from: Zilon on May 15, 2021, 02:15:51 AM

Although it's against Uefa rules. But having a commission in betting shouldn't warrant such a heavy levy. Does it mean sports men aren't entitled to owning an investment in the sector?

Since betting is part of the business becoming a partner in the betting industry shouldn't be a crime and as such it should be a welcome development if footballers and other sports athletes partner therein. Unless there could be something the aren't telling us

I beg to differ to be honest. Sportsmen owning stakes in a betting company is not optimal to say it carefully. The rules are known to anyone and should be respected whether it is Zlatan or anyone else.

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Quote from: Zilon on May 15, 2021, 02:15:51 AM

Although it's against Uefa rules. But having a commission in betting shouldn't warrant such a heavy levy. Does it mean sports men aren't entitled to owning an investment in the sector?

Since betting is part of the business becoming a partner in the betting industry shouldn't be a crime and as such it should be a welcome development if footballers and other sports athletes partner therein. Unless there could be something the aren't telling us

Meanwhile, the sport has still not changed its long-standing gambling sponsorship policy - as was recommended by the vast majority of the soccer's players and managers.

It has allowed bookmakers in an official capacity to pay for branding and sports events rights, and was quite happy for them to pay at the turnstiles for the World Cup.

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Although it's against Uefa rules. But having a commission in betting shouldn't warrant such a heavy levy. Does it mean sports men aren't entitled to owning an investment in the sector?

Since betting is part of the business becoming a partner in the betting industry shouldn't be a crime and as such it should be a welcome development if footballers and other sports athletes partner therein. Unless there could be something the aren't telling us

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Quote from: Ryker1 on May 11, 2021, 05:48:01 PM

Well, does anyone here have updates to this case?
I just wonder if Ibrahimovic has been found guilty with the investigation of him.
I just wonder with the money this guy has, --I don’t think he would do and I am sure that there are lawyers and accountants on his payroll that would surely give him advice and inform him just in case. I think this guy will not going to be found guilty of the suspicious thrown at him. It’s just weird and I am thinking of any ways that the authorities in the league have heard of this intel. It might be one of his hater or something. But I really don’t think that a sports guy does not know the rules of the league. Especially the business side, as they had to know it and be compensated.

This is all processed by FIFA, to play Zlatan Ibrahim Movic, surely they want to profit, and corner Ibrahim Movic, Viva wants
Tearing down movic ibrahim at the end of his career, and wants to withdraw all his movic money ''
but I am sure Zlatan will solve the problem soon,
because he must have a great lawyer, who can solve all his problems ...

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Quote from: Silberman on May 10, 2021, 04:36:24 PM

Your argument makes sense but there is a reason why the rules are there for a reason, he has a conflict of interest and in many occupations the way it deals with this is the same, you need to choose one or the other occupation and never both, a lawyer cannot at any moment take two different sides of the same case, he can only hear one side and the moment he does and receives payment he cannot even listen to the other side or he will have an unfair advantage and the same is happening here.

I can understand the argument put forward by UEFA. Being a player, Zlatan should keep away from gambling sites. If he has an interest in the gambling sites, then it gets murky. The amount of profit his company is going to earn may change as per the outcome of the matches in which he is taking part. But my question is not related to the fairness of the charges against Zlatan. My question is why the UEFA dragged on their investigation, despite these facts being known for so long. The news first came to surface in 2018. Why they were in deep slumber for all these years?

That is impossible to know, but there are some possible reasons for this, one possible explanation is that as we know legal processes have the tendency to move at a snail pace compared to the world in which we live in, another factor could be politics, maybe there were some higher ups that liked Ibrahimovic and they moved their influences to protect him and to delay this, and finally maybe they are that incompetent, something that is not really difficult to believe.

I believe there are often networks involved up to the highest judges. Remember Ronaldo and Messi evading huge amounts of taxes? An ordinary guy would have been sent to jail, but both got away with it pretty much. They had to pay a fine that didn't even hurt them and got a small suspended sentence. I don't believe the same applies to others.

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Quote from: Silberman on May 10, 2021, 04:36:24 PM

Your argument makes sense but there is a reason why the rules are there for a reason, he has a conflict of interest and in many occupations the way it deals with this is the same, you need to choose one or the other occupation and never both, a lawyer cannot at any moment take two different sides of the same case, he can only hear one side and the moment he does and receives payment he cannot even listen to the other side or he will have an unfair advantage and the same is happening here.

I can understand the argument put forward by UEFA. Being a player, Zlatan should keep away from gambling sites. If he has an interest in the gambling sites, then it gets murky. The amount of profit his company is going to earn may change as per the outcome of the matches in which he is taking part. But my question is not related to the fairness of the charges against Zlatan. My question is why the UEFA dragged on their investigation, despite these facts being known for so long. The news first came to surface in 2018. Why they were in deep slumber for all these years?

That is impossible to know, but there are some possible reasons for this, one possible explanation is that as we know legal processes have the tendency to move at a snail pace compared to the world in which we live in, another factor could be politics, maybe there were some higher ups that liked Ibrahimovic and they moved their influences to protect him and to delay this, and finally maybe they are that incompetent, something that is not really difficult to believe.

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Well, does anyone here have updates to this case?
I just wonder if Ibrahimovic has been found guilty with the investigation of him.
I just wonder with the money this guy has, --I don’t think he would do and I am sure that there are lawyers and accountants on his payroll that would surely give him advice and inform him just in case. I think this guy will not going to be found guilty of the suspicious thrown at him. It’s just weird and I am thinking of any ways that the authorities in the league have heard of this intel. It might be one of his hater or something. But I really don’t think that a sports guy does not know the rules of the league. Especially the business side, as they had to know it and be compensated.

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Quote from: Xinarae* on May 11, 2021, 12:47:25 AM

think they broke the rules according to FIFA's code of ethics a footballer can be fined and banned from football related activities for a maximum of three years for violating betting rules. UEFA's penal code is not clear ibrahimovic's company owns the fourth largest share in the betting firm bethard the betting company which is expected to make a profit of around 2.5 crore euros in 2019 will not be allowed to invest in 2018 under the rules of world football's governing body FIFA or the European football body UEFA. There are also large penalties for breaking the rules FIFA and UEFA could ban the Swedish star for three years or fine him large sums of money if it is proved that the betting company Ibra has invested.

That's pretty bad in my opinion, Ibrahimovic is a star and I don't think that it will be good for him to fine or even be suspended to play. Also, in the first place, why did that kind of rule existed though, I know that it helps prevent players from trying to do something that will benefit them but to be honest that is pretty stupid if you could allow players and monitor them so players can have investment without the worry of penalties.

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think they broke the rules according to FIFA's code of ethics a footballer can be fined and banned from football related activities for a maximum of three years for violating betting rules. UEFA's penal code is not clear ibrahimovic's company owns the fourth largest share in the betting firm bethard the betting company which is expected to make a profit of around 2.5 crore euros in 2019 will not be allowed to invest in 2018 under the rules of world football's governing body FIFA or the European football body UEFA. There are also large penalties for breaking the rules FIFA and UEFA could ban the Swedish star for three years or fine him large sums of money if it is proved that the betting company Ibra has invested.

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Quote from: Silberman on May 10, 2021, 04:36:24 PM

Your argument makes sense but there is a reason why the rules are there for a reason, he has a conflict of interest and in many occupations the way it deals with this is the same, you need to choose one or the other occupation and never both, a lawyer cannot at any moment take two different sides of the same case, he can only hear one side and the moment he does and receives payment he cannot even listen to the other side or he will have an unfair advantage and the same is happening here.

I can understand the argument put forward by UEFA. Being a player, Zlatan should keep away from gambling sites. If he has an interest in the gambling sites, then it gets murky. The amount of profit his company is going to earn may change as per the outcome of the matches in which he is taking part. But my question is not related to the fairness of the charges against Zlatan. My question is why the UEFA dragged on their investigation, despite these facts being known for so long. The news first came to surface in 2018. Why they were in deep slumber for all these years?

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Quote from: sana54210 on May 08, 2021, 05:06:23 PM

He is an old player, he played very well this year when he got the chance, he got injured quite frequently I have to say and Milan looked great when he played, however no matter how great he is, he is still an old player, dude is almost 40 years old.

I do not think that he would have any advantage owning a casino neither, let's assume that he bets against himself, well he can do that without owning a casino, let's assume that people on his website wagered on one side too much, let's say maybe he has to lose in order for him to win a lot of money, he could miss shots, but there are 10 other people, but let's assume he has to win, well he wants to win every game anyway. So I do not see "too much" problem here, but even if it is just too much, if he is making a lot of profit from this, he could simply retire, because he is already at that age anyway.

Your argument makes sense but there is a reason why the rules are there for a reason, he has a conflict of interest and in many occupations the way it deals with this is the same, you need to choose one or the other occupation and never both, a lawyer cannot at any moment take two different sides of the same case, he can only hear one side and the moment he does and receives payment he cannot even listen to the other side or he will have an unfair advantage and the same is happening here.

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Quote from: mindrust on May 09, 2021, 04:31:28 PM

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Pretty inappropriate comparison, don't you think? I don't think it was that clear to him though he should have sought professional counseling help. I mean almost every football club is sponsored by a betting company, so in principle there is the same conflict of interest as with an individual player.

He can own whatever betting company he likes as long as he is not a player. However, he is still a player, is he not?

However I agree that bet companies sponsoring the clubs isn't the most sensible thing neither. If there is no problem with taking their money for the clubs, why would it be a problem for the player? If a player can rig a game, so can a club.

He is an old player, he played very well this year when he got the chance, he got injured quite frequently I have to say and Milan looked great when he played, however no matter how great he is, he is still an old player, dude is almost 40 years old.

I do not think that he would have any advantage owning a casino neither, let's assume that he bets against himself, well he can do that without owning a casino, let's assume that people on his website wagered on one side too much, let's say maybe he has to lose in order for him to win a lot of money, he could miss shots, but there are 10 other people, but let's assume he has to win, well he wants to win every game anyway. So I do not see "too much" problem here, but even if it is just too much, if he is making a lot of profit from this, he could simply retire, because he is already at that age anyway.

Rules are rules. You may not see a problem. Zlatan might be an honest player with or without being an investor of a casino. It doesn't matter. The rules say you cannot take money from the casinos as long as you are an active player.

The rules let the clubs make sponsorship deals and that sucks too but somehow they don't care.

If you think they need to make an exception for Zlatan, then they need to do it for everybody.

Rules is rules indeed and there shouldnt be any toleration with this manner because everybody would see it that this kind of activity wouldnt really be imposing some serious
violation or penalties if they do commit it out so its just right that he should deal with the consequences because its had been stated and they are fully
aware with those things but they do still decide to deal with it secretly and now it has been busted then you would need to face up the charges or sanctions.

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Quote from: sana54210 on May 08, 2021, 05:06:23 PM

Quote from: mindrust on May 08, 2021, 05:29:45 AM

Quote from: tyz on May 03, 2021, 01:57:55 PM

Pretty inappropriate comparison, don't you think? I don't think it was that clear to him though he should have sought professional counseling help. I mean almost every football club is sponsored by a betting company, so in principle there is the same conflict of interest as with an individual player.

He can own whatever betting company he likes as long as he is not a player. However, he is still a player, is he not?

However I agree that bet companies sponsoring the clubs isn't the most sensible thing neither. If there is no problem with taking their money for the clubs, why would it be a problem for the player? If a player can rig a game, so can a club.

He is an old player, he played very well this year when he got the chance, he got injured quite frequently I have to say and Milan looked great when he played, however no matter how great he is, he is still an old player, dude is almost 40 years old.

I do not think that he would have any advantage owning a casino neither, let's assume that he bets against himself, well he can do that without owning a casino, let's assume that people on his website wagered on one side too much, let's say maybe he has to lose in order for him to win a lot of money, he could miss shots, but there are 10 other people, but let's assume he has to win, well he wants to win every game anyway. So I do not see "too much" problem here, but even if it is just too much, if he is making a lot of profit from this, he could simply retire, because he is already at that age anyway.

Rules are rules. You may not see a problem. Zlatan might be an honest player with or without being an investor of a casino. It doesn't matter. The rules say you cannot take money from the casinos as long as you are an active player.

The rules let the clubs make sponsorship deals and that sucks too but somehow they don't care.

If you think they need to make an exception for Zlatan, then they need to do it for everybody.

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Quote from: mindrust on May 08, 2021, 05:29:45 AM

Quote from: tyz on May 03, 2021, 01:57:55 PM

Pretty inappropriate comparison, don't you think? I don't think it was that clear to him though he should have sought professional counseling help. I mean almost every football club is sponsored by a betting company, so in principle there is the same conflict of interest as with an individual player.

He can own whatever betting company he likes as long as he is not a player. However, he is still a player, is he not?

However I agree that bet companies sponsoring the clubs isn't the most sensible thing neither. If there is no problem with taking their money for the clubs, why would it be a problem for the player? If a player can rig a game, so can a club.

He is an old player, he played very well this year when he got the chance, he got injured quite frequently I have to say and Milan looked great when he played, however no matter how great he is, he is still an old player, dude is almost 40 years old.

I do not think that he would have any advantage owning a casino neither, let's assume that he bets against himself, well he can do that without owning a casino, let's assume that people on his website wagered on one side too much, let's say maybe he has to lose in order for him to win a lot of money, he could miss shots, but there are 10 other people, but let's assume he has to win, well he wants to win every game anyway. So I do not see "too much" problem here, but even if it is just too much, if he is making a lot of profit from this, he could simply retire, because he is already at that age anyway.

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Quote from: mediaBuzz on May 08, 2021, 03:43:51 PM

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 08, 2021, 12:09:18 AM

Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Cristiano Ronaldo will come face to face today, when Juventus takes on AC Milan in a Serie A match. Both the teams are having 69 points as of now, and the winner in all probability will advance to the UEFA Champions League. Ibrahimovic seems to be unaffected by the controversy related to Bethard. He has already signed for another year of contract extension with AC Milan, which proves that he doesn't care about the ongoing investigation.

I totally agree with your opinion, tonight Ibrahim Movic will forget his problem with Betrand, tonight Ibrahim only focuses his mind on the match ... the problem with FIFA is his business, there is a lawyer who will fix the problem ... he only focuses on playing football alone ..

He did not give a fu** from the start. He reacted like it was some kind of a joke from the start. His agent who is as long as I remember works for other few popular players answered to a reporters questions about the bethard issue by saying he is ready for the next season and not going to retire😂

He signed another 1 year with AC Milan and that means he will play next season again and wont be forced to retire.I still dont understand the rules about owning a share of a company its not like he is rigging games or betting on them himself.

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Quote from: ropyu1978 on May 08, 2021, 02:29:56 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 08, 2021, 12:09:18 AM

Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Cristiano Ronaldo will come face to face today, when Juventus takes on AC Milan in a Serie A match. Both the teams are having 69 points as of now, and the winner in all probability will advance to the UEFA Champions League. Ibrahimovic seems to be unaffected by the controversy related to Bethard. He has already signed for another year of contract extension with AC Milan, which proves that he doesn't care about the ongoing investigation.

I totally agree with your opinion, tonight Ibrahim Movic will forget his problem with Betrand, tonight Ibrahim only focuses his mind on the match ... the problem with FIFA is his business, there is a lawyer who will fix the problem ... he only focuses on playing football alone ..

He did not give a fu** from the start. He reacted like it was some kind of a joke from the start. His agent who is as long as I remember works for other few popular players answered to a reporters questions about the bethard issue by saying he is ready for the next season and not going to retire😂

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 08, 2021, 12:09:18 AM

Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Cristiano Ronaldo will come face to face today, when Juventus takes on AC Milan in a Serie A match. Both the teams are having 69 points as of now, and the winner in all probability will advance to the UEFA Champions League. Ibrahimovic seems to be unaffected by the controversy related to Bethard. He has already signed for another year of contract extension with AC Milan, which proves that he doesn't care about the ongoing investigation.

I totally agree with your opinion, tonight Ibrahim Movic will forget his problem with Betrand, tonight Ibrahim only focuses his mind on the match ... the problem with FIFA is his business, there is a lawyer who will fix the problem ... he only focuses on playing football alone ..

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Quote from: tyz on May 03, 2021, 01:57:55 PM

Pretty inappropriate comparison, don't you think? I don't think it was that clear to him though he should have sought professional counseling help. I mean almost every football club is sponsored by a betting company, so in principle there is the same conflict of interest as with an individual player.

He can own whatever betting company he likes as long as he is not a player. However, he is still a player, is he not?

However I agree that bet companies sponsoring the clubs isn't the most sensible thing neither. If there is no problem with taking their money for the clubs, why would it be a problem for the player? If a player can rig a game, so can a club.

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