Ibrahimovic under FIFA and UEFA investigation - page 5.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 15, 2021, 12:38:17 AM

Quote from: Wexnident on April 15, 2021, 12:14:31 AM

Huh, so I looked around turns out the same issue was in talks already way back in 2018? Though I think it's a different case this time since the one back then was him taking the ambassadorial role for Bethard, and now this which is ownership(part) of the betting company. This might actually be closer to a ban if this is his 2nd strike of being related to gambling/betting. After all, having issues with almost the same reason with three same companies seems like a warrant for them to properly impose their punishment, lest they be seen as lenient or something.

The 2018 one: https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/03/21/zlatan-ibrahimovic-could-be-sanctioned-fa-after-involvement-new-betting-company

You are right. This is the same issue that surfaced in 2018.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9470841/Zlatan-Ibrahimovic-facing-three-year-ban-investment-betting-company-say-Swedish-reports.html

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The report also details that the Swedish Football Association have been aware of the problem for three years and it is the reason the talismanic forward wasn't called up for the 2018 World Cup, though he did retire from international football in 2016 until returning last month.

Why do they take so much time to reach a decision? But it is not like Ibrahimovic hid his involvement with Bethard. He was quite vocal about his involvement with that company and was even announced as their brand ambassador back in 2018.

The likelihood he will get suspended is relatively small. His lawyers definitely checked the situation beforehand and even a Swedish soccer official said the rules are unclear, implying that they had a thorough look at them in advance.

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Quote from: gabbie2010 on April 15, 2021, 12:34:29 AM

Quote from: Marvelman on April 14, 2021, 02:58:55 PM

I believe the fine he faces is not 100 million Euros, but rather 100,000 Euros and a three-year suspension.
I couldn't find the source in English to quote.

If eventually found guilty and suspended for three years + 100, 000 Euros fine I believe this judgement is fair enough for him, this will serve as a deterrent to other professional players who are bound to bring the game into disrepute due to their unprofessional conducts.
I am quite disappointed with Ibra having a flourishing football career spanning many years and played in many leagues will now end his career in such a bad way is not good enough.

I'm sure 100k € is nothing to him. However, I agree that sanctions are necessary.

The only thing I don't get is how he didn't realize it was against FIFA and UEFA rules? Especially because he had a similar case in 2018. I'm wondering if he took a calculated risk?

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Quote from: Wexnident on April 15, 2021, 12:14:31 AM

Huh, so I looked around turns out the same issue was in talks already way back in 2018? Though I think it's a different case this time since the one back then was him taking the ambassadorial role for Bethard, and now this which is ownership(part) of the betting company. This might actually be closer to a ban if this is his 2nd strike of being related to gambling/betting. After all, having issues with almost the same reason with three same companies seems like a warrant for them to properly impose their punishment, lest they be seen as lenient or something.

The 2018 one: https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/03/21/zlatan-ibrahimovic-could-be-sanctioned-fa-after-involvement-new-betting-company

You are right. This is the same issue that surfaced in 2018.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9470841/Zlatan-Ibrahimovic-facing-three-year-ban-investment-betting-company-say-Swedish-reports.html

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The report also details that the Swedish Football Association have been aware of the problem for three years and it is the reason the talismanic forward wasn't called up for the 2018 World Cup, though he did retire from international football in 2016 until returning last month.

Why do they take so much time to reach a decision? But it is not like Ibrahimovic hid his involvement with Bethard. He was quite vocal about his involvement with that company and was even announced as their brand ambassador back in 2018.

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Quote from: Marvelman on April 14, 2021, 02:58:55 PM

I believe the fine he faces is not 100 million Euros, but rather 100,000 Euros and a three-year suspension.
I couldn't find the source in English to quote.

If eventually found guilty and suspended for three years + 100, 000 Euros fine I believe this judgement is fair enough for him, this will serve as a deterrent to other professional players who are bound to bring the game into disrepute due to their unprofessional conducts.
I am quite disappointed with Ibra having a flourishing football career spanning many years and played in many leagues will now end his career in such a bad way is not good enough.

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Huh, so I looked around turns out the same issue was in talks already way back in 2018? Though I think it's a different case this time since the one back then was him taking the ambassadorial role for Bethard, and now this which is ownership(part) of the betting company. This might actually be closer to a ban if this is his 2nd strike of being related to gambling/betting. After all, having issues with almost the same reason with three same companies seems like a warrant for them to properly impose their punishment, lest they be seen as lenient or something.

The 2018 one: https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/03/21/zlatan-ibrahimovic-could-be-sanctioned-fa-after-involvement-new-betting-company

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 14, 2021, 10:03:25 PM

€100 million sounds excessive for me. And the charges are not that serious. It is not like he was involved in match fixing or anything. He indirectly owned shares in a betting firm, and I don't think that it warrants such a huge penalty. And even if the FIFA or UEFA imposes such a huge fine, why should he agree to pay that? He is already 39-years old and his career is coming to an end. He could just refuse to pay the fine.

€100m is definitely way too high, the realistic amount is probably somewhere €100k since it was mentioned on the other article that the betting agency made like 300m SEK in one year.

Even if the report is indeed true I doubt he'll retire just because of the given fine since it's unusual to see someone's career to end on a bad note unless there's really no other choice.

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€100 million sounds excessive for me. And the charges are not that serious. It is not like he was involved in match fixing or anything. He indirectly owned shares in a betting firm, and I don't think that it warrants such a huge penalty. And even if the FIFA or UEFA imposes such a huge fine, why should he agree to pay that? He is already 39-years old and his career is coming to an end. He could just refuse to pay the fine.

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Actually, there is nothing wrong with what he did but since it's a clear rule of FIFA and UEFA that it's prohibited for players to have a financial interest in betting companies, he must face the consequences.

He should already know that including the risk but still, he continues with his actions. I don't know what on his mind for involving in that activity.

The sanction is not that heavy for the likes of him. Let's wait for his side.

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This is a very polemical subject. There is a clear conflict of interest in being a soccer player and a gambling site share holder meanwhile. But at same time, he could have used a strawman to hold the 10% participation in the gambling site, as it's common in business' universe, so he wouldn't be being charged right now. And in fact, what is the difference, besides only he is being punished, between him and other athletes, FIFA and UEFA employees who use strawmen to participate in gambling companies instead of themselves? Such sanctions Ibrahimovic is suffering look hypocritical to me.

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Quote from: masulum on April 14, 2021, 04:40:41 PM

Very bad news for Milan if Ibrahimovic gets banned from playing for 3-5 years in the European Competition (UCL / UEL) and competition organized by FIFA. This could be a sign that Ibra must retire early. However, I am quite confused by the amount of the fine, whether it is 100 million euros or only 100,000 euros. because in some media it says only 100,000 euros.

I hope that Ibrahimovic does not get a ban from playing, if that happens besides harming Milan, it is also painful for the supporters.
Moreover, Ibrahimovic is already 39 years old, so if he gets punished for not playing for 3 years, he definitely has to retire from football early.
Even though the presence of Ibrahimovic is really needed by Milan, we know that this season Ibrahimovic has played very well for Milan.
So the prohibition to play for Ibrahimovic if it is true is realized a heavy blow for AC Milan.

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€100 million fine should be mistake. Maybe it's €100k or 1 million, but definitely not 100 million. It would be waaaaay too much.
Ibra break rules and we can't argue about it. Rules related with betting companies is very strict for professional athletes. It would be sad if Ibra would he forced to retire earlier than he planned just because of it.
But there is some things which doesn't makes sense for me. Professional player can't own betting company, but they can be sponsored by betting companies. Double standards?

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This could ruin his retirement. The guy is almost over with his career, so to be fined 100 million euros for conflict of interest is something that will hit him hard certainly. I hope he has backup plans, or things in store that will make the jury rethink their investigation. Otherwise Ibrahimovic is going to suffer a lot from this lost, especially club Milan.

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Very bad news for Milan if Ibrahimovic gets banned from playing for 3-5 years in the European Competition (UCL / UEL) and competition organized by FIFA. This could be a sign that Ibra must retire early. However, I am quite confused by the amount of the fine, whether it is 100 million euros or only 100,000 euros. because in some media it says only 100,000 euros.

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Quote from: Yogee on April 14, 2021, 11:14:31 AM

100 million euros for conflict interest....that's steep. He's also at the end of his career so that will hurt even more if the accusation is proven. This is probably another case of a professional athlete receiving a bad financial advice.

He should probably cooperate with UEFA and FIFA for a possibility of lighter charges.

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Bethard's CEO Erik Skarp has confirmed Sportbladet that the striker still owns stokes in Bethard's sole shareholder Gameday Group PLC.

He may have got bad financial advice but surely it wouldnt take massive intelligence
to figure out that it was a conflict of interests getting involved with Bethard,
He should have either retired early or continued playing and retired later and
then move to gambling.

Personally I was never fond of him as a player, a very cynical, bad tempered,
bad mannered player with an attitude of superiority and a player which embodies
everything I hate about Soccer, so in my opinion I have little sympathy for him.

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Quote from: Renampun on April 14, 2021, 11:37:43 AM

Quote from: notblox1 on April 14, 2021, 10:59:34 AM

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If it is proven that he is one of the owners of shares in gambling sites it is appropriate for him to retire from football and Milan...
everyone can have a gambling business, but if it is done by someone who has a big influence, he is afraid that it will make many ordinary people become heavy gamblers because of him. I think the fine that the authorities will impose is very precise.

I do not think this is the reason, most likely this has to do with a conflict of interests, by being a partial owner of a casino and an active player of a soccer team there is the possibility that he manipulated the results with his performance or that he even convinced other players to lose games they would have not lost otherwise, this is really dumb on his part since there are many other businesses in which he could have invested and yet he picked the one that will get him in trouble.

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I believe the fine he faces is not 100 million Euros, but rather 100,000 Euros and a three-year suspension.
I couldn't find the source in English to quote.

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Ibra must be thinking that he has ended up on a fun show. In four days one trouble after the other for him: first, the red card in Parma, then the story of the restaurant opened during lockdown with all the controversy of the case and the risk that he will be revoked the role of ambassador of the Lombardy Region, now this investigation.
So, Zlatan would have violated the Fifa and Uefa code of ethics as co-owner of the sports betting brand Bethard.com, based in Malta. The two highest Fifa football bodies do not allow players participating in their competitions to have financial interests in companies of this kind. The fact that Ibra still owns shares in Bethard would have been confirmed to a Swedish newspaper by the managing director of the company, Erik Skarp. Further verification would show that Zlatan's Unknown AB company would hold about 10% of the shares of Gameday Group PLC, which in turn is Bethard's sole shareholder.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on April 14, 2021, 01:26:12 PM

Quote from: Yogee on April 14, 2021, 11:14:31 AM

100 million euros for conflict interest....that's steep. He's also at the end of his career so that will hurt even more if the accusation is proven. This is probably another case of a professional athlete receiving a bad financial advice.

So if a sports person wants to make investment and business decision even if he holds a certain portion of a share that promotes gambling he will be liable to pay this kind of huge money as fine which is ridiculous, if Ibrahimovic have done that gives any undue advantage to them that could bring profit for the company then he is liable, other than that it is too much as he is not the sole decision maker in the company.

Problem is there are rules from Fifa and Uefa that do not allow players participating in their competitions to have financial interests in gambòing companies; it's not a matter of business decisions players can invest in whatever they want except gambling sector.

Also he is not new to this :back in 2018 he was also a testimonial for the same company ( beside owning 10% of shares) and the situation that at the time contributed to Ibrahimovic's failure to return to the Sweden national team ( return that only happened sme days ago).

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Quote from: Yogee on April 14, 2021, 11:14:31 AM

100 million euros for conflict interest....that's steep. He's also at the end of his career so that will hurt even more if the accusation is proven. This is probably another case of a professional athlete receiving a bad financial advice.

So if a sports person wants to make investment and business decision even if he holds a certain portion of a share that promotes gambling he will be liable to pay this kind of huge money as fine which is ridiculous, if Ibrahimovic have done that gives any undue advantage to them that could bring profit for the company then he is liable, other than that it is too much as he is not the sole decision maker in the company.

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Quote from: slapper on April 14, 2021, 12:36:42 PM

Not a good news at all. Even if he is not suspended from competition, a 100 million fine is a huge number for any athlete. Im not quite sure why a professional player like Ibra can be stuck in a situation like this. It would be very sad if he is banned from any football activities.

More investigations are needed to enlighten the problem. I believe that a fair solution can be made in order to keep him on the field. Not always the best to prohibit such an admirable soccer player.

I cannot find anything about 100 million. Here
https://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/fotboll/a/Eprw0l/english-version-zlatan-could-face-suspension-after-breaching-fifa-rul

it only says up to 1 million SEK, which is not that much. We should get the facts right. Th suspension might be a bigger risk. I don't understand though why he should be at conflict of interest for rejoining the national team. Any ideas here? He is an unbelievable player. Let's hope the best.

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