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legendary
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This is an unclear rule, since "financial interest" could mean direct investment, not via a stock company (or mutual fund). Imagine when you invest in a retirement plan via mutual funds or index fund, the chance is you will have some portion of a betting company stock.

However, AFAIK Bethard is not publicly traded, so Ibra might be guilty for this if he knows that the parent company bought the stocks.

It is pretty clear really. If he owned it as part of a mutual fund (and the company was large enough to be included) then any possible benefit he could derive from that ownership would be heavily diluted. However when you own a large chunk of a betting company and are an active athlete then all sorts of corruption can start to seep in. The rule is there to stop abuse, he could cause all kinds of mayhem on the pitch and rig results of games in many different ways. Someone at his age and level of the game should know full well that this would not be acceptable for those reasons, so it looks like he has gone out of his way to be deceptive. It's a shame that fines are not proportionate to someones salary, because the 100k limit (even for a "first time offender") is absolute peanuts to these players, they've probably spent that much on a great night out before - if they lost 10% of their annual salary instead it might discourage such behavior in future.
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What did he exactly do that could put him in this position, Ibrahimovic is a good player and I am sure that the club that he is in is going to have a problem if he is going to be suspended. Is there something about owning a betting company if you are a player?
So far it does not seem as if there was any wrongdoing except of being a partial owner of the company, many people may think this is not a big deal but it is, the whole point of a sport competition is to see two competitors doing everything they can in order to win, but if one side has an incentive to not do so then there are going to be suspicions about their performance even if they never intended to fix a single game and this is what we are seeing in the case of Ibrahimovic.
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May be some fixed games? Who knows what's going behind the scenes which could probably even ruin the career of many players of the team too except that financial loss to the Bethardofficial guys? Let's hope that's possibly not the case else it won't just add up a penalty but will bring in so many problems for Ibrahimovic during their festival of Ramadan.

That is one of the possibilities, because the revenue figures published by Bethard officials make me suspicious. They are much higher when compared to other sportsbooks of similar size. Still, this is only a very small possibility and the real reason for making so much profits may be due to the fact that they managed their business really well. But at 39-years, the controversy surrounding this sportsbook is the last thing that Ibra want. He will be looking to settle it by paying a fine, and moving on.
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What did he exactly do that could put him in this position, Ibrahimovic is a good player and I am sure that the club that he is in is going to have a problem if he is going to be suspended. Is there something about owning a betting company if you are a player?

May be some fixed games? Who knows what's going behind the scenes which could probably even ruin the career of many players of the team too except that financial loss to the Bethardofficial guys? Let's hope that's possibly not the case else it won't just add up a penalty but will bring in so many problems for Ibrahimovic during their festival of Ramadan.
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~ this is really dumb on his part since there are many other businesses in which he could have invested and yet he picked the one that will get him in trouble.
It was not a regular investment he made, the founders are his friends from his hometown in Sweden.
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What did he exactly do that could put him in this position, Ibrahimovic is a good player and I am sure that the club that he is in is going to have a problem if he is going to be suspended. Is there something about owning a betting company if you are a player?
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I really thought that the financial penalty was going to be the biggest issue for him as at the beginning it was claimed that the fine could reach 100 million but now it seems the fine could only reach 100k which is very small for someone like him so the suspension now is the big problem for him, receiving 2 or 3 years as a suspension is basically retirement for him at this point as not only his age will be a huge factor but also not playing for so long will ruin his ability to move on the field.

I don't think that the financial penalty would be that small. It looks to me that Ibrahimovic earnt millions of USD out of his deal with Bethard. So as per logic, the penalty should be higher than this. BTW, the Bethard financials also look suspicious. For a relatively unknown entity, they have a very high annual turnover. I just hope that there is nothing fishy about this sportsbook and Ibrahimovic will not find himself in bigger trouble later.
legendary
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I think several people have already noticed that the penalty is not 100 million Euros, but 100 thousand Euros. A drop in the bucket for Ibrahimovic.

In any case, if Ibra were found guilty, he might be in deep trouble... because a three-year suspension from FIFA, during which he would be suspended from all football activities, would hurt him much more.

Going by the pace of the investigation, I don't think that any punishment will be handed out this year. Personally I feel that a 3-year suspension will be disproportional. But even if they decide to hand out such a punishment, then I don't expect it before 2022 or even 2023. And by that time Ibrahimovic will be 40 or 41 and happily retired from the game. I am saying this after looking at the investigation process during 2018-2021.
I really thought that the financial penalty was going to be the biggest issue for him as at the beginning it was claimed that the fine could reach 100 million but now it seems the fine could only reach 100k which is very small for someone like him so the suspension now is the big problem for him, receiving 2 or 3 years as a suspension is basically retirement for him at this point as not only his age will be a huge factor but also not playing for so long will ruin his ability to move on the field.
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Looking at the number of followers BethardOfficial has says they are not a big company yet which got me thinking.

You know how companies offer shares to someone or a company if they don't have the capacity to pay upfront...what if this is what happened, a deal was signed and they didn't have the money to pay Ibrahimovic as brand ambassador (**not sure if he is **) instead they offered him a 10% stake in the company which has put him up for investigation today. What's your take?

Well.. this sounds fishy to me. The number of followers are quite low, and still they made $35 million in profits that year? How can a relatively unknown company make this much profit in just one year? If the house advantage is 1%, and the cut for taxes and expenses is 50%, then we can assume that the annual turnover was somewhere around $7 billion. These numbers are huge, and I don't know how such an unknown entity can have this much turnover.

One possibility could be that Bethard is a corporation that operates many businesses under one roof. Maybe the 35 million stem from many sources? I don't know the company well enough to judge that but you are right, they would have to have enormous revenue in order to make a profit of 35 million.

Not sure if they are unknown in the market, I have heard of them quite often.
what followers twitter followers ? company profit doesnt depend on that . i havent heard of this company .
they are not popular no wonder they have small followers  but the company is not unkown but it was the companies name unkown ab .
unknown ab has 5 companies according to this site https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.unknown_ab.4e7f6742e6f012a3463ce3bd1c1ca17f.html but the profit doesnt match or it wasnt updated .
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Looking at the number of followers BethardOfficial has says they are not a big company yet which got me thinking.

You know how companies offer shares to someone or a company if they don't have the capacity to pay upfront...what if this is what happened, a deal was signed and they didn't have the money to pay Ibrahimovic as brand ambassador (**not sure if he is **) instead they offered him a 10% stake in the company which has put him up for investigation today. What's your take?

Well.. this sounds fishy to me. The number of followers are quite low, and still they made $35 million in profits that year? How can a relatively unknown company make this much profit in just one year? If the house advantage is 1%, and the cut for taxes and expenses is 50%, then we can assume that the annual turnover was somewhere around $7 billion. These numbers are huge, and I don't know how such an unknown entity can have this much turnover.

One possibility could be that Bethard is a corporation that operates many businesses under one roof. Maybe the 35 million stem from many sources? I don't know the company well enough to judge that but you are right, they would have to have enormous revenue in order to make a profit of 35 million.

Not sure if they are unknown in the market, I have heard of them quite often.
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Looking at the number of followers BethardOfficial has says they are not a big company yet which got me thinking.

You know how companies offer shares to someone or a company if they don't have the capacity to pay upfront...what if this is what happened, a deal was signed and they didn't have the money to pay Ibrahimovic as brand ambassador (**not sure if he is **) instead they offered him a 10% stake in the company which has put him up for investigation today. What's your take?

Well.. this sounds fishy to me. The number of followers are quite low, and still they made $35 million in profits that year? How can a relatively unknown company make this much profit in just one year? If the house advantage is 1%, and the cut for taxes and expenses is 50%, then we can assume that the annual turnover was somewhere around $7 billion. These numbers are huge, and I don't know how such an unknown entity can have this much turnover.
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You know how companies offer shares to someone or a company if they don't have the capacity to pay upfront...what if this is what happened, a deal was signed and they didn't have the money to pay Ibrahimovic as brand ambassador (**not sure if he is **) instead they offered him a 10% stake in the company which has put him up for investigation today. What's your take?

That is certainly possible. According to statements made in the media and on the bethardgroup website, such an agreement could have been reached from the start.

Quote from: Erik Skarp, co-founder and CEO of Bethard Group
Through the agreement we will not only have an outstanding brand ambassador, but also a very engaged co-owner who I know will push us relentlessly forward
source: https://bethardgroup.com/press/zlatan/

It appears that Zlatan chose to be a co-owner of the company from the start. He even said that there was something different with Bethard and that the owners are from his hometown, so he accepted the offer.
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Zlatan Ibrahimovic is under investigation because company Unknown AB that he is co-owner has 10% ownership for betting company Bethard.com.
39-year-old footballer could be fined for 100 milion euros or be suspended from all football activity for up to three years and this is going to affect him and his club Milan for sure!


https://www.football-italia.net/169135/ibrahimovic-risks-sanction-involvement-betting-agency


https://twitter.com/BethardOfficial

Looking at the number of followers BethardOfficial has says they are not a big company yet which got me thinking.

You know how companies offer shares to someone or a company if they don't have the capacity to pay upfront...what if this is what happened, a deal was signed and they didn't have the money to pay Ibrahimovic as brand ambassador (**not sure if he is **) instead they offered him a 10% stake in the company which has put him up for investigation today. What's your take?
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If FIFA or UEFA find Zlatan guilty in all this, this will be forced retirement for him no two ways about it because his already at the end of his career and waiting another 3year's is not on his wishlist.
I would be very sad if Zlatan ends his career like that. His career won't last too long without restrictions from FIFA or UEFA but I would be happy if he retires as a legendary player and no drama or punishments. He deserves so and I am not fan of Zlatan but indeed he is one of greatest players in the era of Messi and Ronaldo. Behind Messi and Ronaldo, who are the best players?

I think Zlatan is the third best player in football in the past two decades. He scores more than 500 goals in his career. Zlatan's Career statistics
Those numbers and career achievements is there but once you had able to commit yourself on something like this then those wont be relevant anymore.
Treatment and consequences would be given fair and square neither you are a low or high class sportsman or something like that.
Im much sure that he might had been already given out some warnings but it turns out that he just ignored and now is the time for some payback.
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If FIFA or UEFA find Zlatan guilty in all this, this will be forced retirement for him no two ways about it because his already at the end of his career and waiting another 3year's is not on his wishlist.
I would be very sad if Zlatan ends his career like that. His career won't last too long without restrictions from FIFA or UEFA but I would be happy if he retires as a legendary player and no drama or punishments. He deserves so and I am not fan of Zlatan but indeed he is one of greatest players in the era of Messi and Ronaldo. Behind Messi and Ronaldo, who are the best players?

I think Zlatan is the third best player in football in the past two decades. He scores more than 500 goals in his career. Zlatan's Career statistics
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Huh, so I looked around turns out the same issue was in talks already way back in 2018? Though I think it's a different case this time since the one back then was him taking the ambassadorial role for Bethard, and now this which is ownership(part) of the betting company. This might actually be closer to a ban if this is his 2nd strike of being related to gambling/betting. After all, having issues with almost the same reason with three same companies seems like a warrant for them to properly impose their punishment, lest they be seen as lenient or something.

The 2018 one: https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/03/21/zlatan-ibrahimovic-could-be-sanctioned-fa-after-involvement-new-betting-company

You are right. This is the same issue that surfaced in 2018.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9470841/Zlatan-Ibrahimovic-facing-three-year-ban-investment-betting-company-say-Swedish-reports.html

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The report also details that the Swedish Football Association have been aware of the problem for three years and it is the reason the talismanic forward wasn't called up for the 2018 World Cup, though he did retire from international football in 2016 until returning last month.

Why do they take so much time to reach a decision? But it is not like Ibrahimovic hid his involvement with Bethard. He was quite vocal about his involvement with that company and was even announced as their brand ambassador back in 2018. 

The likelihood he will get suspended is relatively small. His lawyers definitely checked the situation beforehand and even a Swedish soccer official said the rules are unclear, implying that they had a thorough look at them in advance.

You never know. They could also decide to make an example of him. It will be hard for them to do so though as there is a lot of corruption in soccer anyway and most of them get away with smooth penalties. Wercking Ibrahimovic now for something that is known for years doesn't make all too much sense and would have negative repercussions in public. Let's see how they decide to go about it.
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If it is 100k that means it is really seriously nothing for him. I thought it was something more serious and I imagined it would be not 100 million, but not as low as 100k neither, maybe like 10 million or at least 1 million or somewhere in between.

Giving him a 100k fine is like giving me a 10$ fine, if I am profiting thousands of dollars from something, I won't care paying a ten dollars fine for it, even if I am making hundreds of dollars profit, I would still pay it. That is why I think if this 100k news is true, then this becomes not even a news, it is boring and he will definitely just pay it and move on with his life, he could still play another season if he wants to and at the top level as well, as long as he is healthy he could do that, I don't know if a season more after that works, but it will depend on his health, as long as he is healthy he can maybe do even 2 seasons.

Read what I wrote above. That 100k is probably just a warning. They'll probably increase the fine if he still keeps his shares. First fine 100k, second fine 500k, third fine 1 million etc... There is no way he can pay the fine and keep his shares.

The fine is not about ruining the person completely if that's his offense for the first time but it can ruin him next time him if he doesn't comply.
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If it is 100k that means it is really seriously nothing for him. I thought it was something more serious and I imagined it would be not 100 million, but not as low as 100k neither, maybe like 10 million or at least 1 million or somewhere in between.

Giving him a 100k fine is like giving me a 10$ fine, if I am profiting thousands of dollars from something, I won't care paying a ten dollars fine for it, even if I am making hundreds of dollars profit, I would still pay it. That is why I think if this 100k news is true, then this becomes not even a news, it is boring and he will definitely just pay it and move on with his life, he could still play another season if he wants to and at the top level as well, as long as he is healthy he could do that, I don't know if a season more after that works, but it will depend on his health, as long as he is healthy he can maybe do even 2 seasons.
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I think several people have already noticed that the penalty is not 100 million Euros, but 100 thousand Euros. A drop in the bucket for Ibrahimovic.

In any case, if Ibra were found guilty, he might be in deep trouble... because a three-year suspension from FIFA, during which he would be suspended from all football activities, would hurt him much more.


If the fine is set at 100,000 euros, I'd say it's considerable compared to the rumored 100M Euros earlier rumored to be the fine. I knew that amount would've been very heavy for him to pay and it would be unfair given the offense. Ibra still has at least 3 more years of football to play and should try to avoid getting hit with a ban that would span across two years as that would signify the end of his football crying. It would be very bad for a player of such caliber to end such a long and successful playing career on a bad note. It doesn't sound pleasing to the ears, one bit.

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If that is 100K euros then any would be offenders won't learn because they can easily pay that up but then again how different is it with gambling companies bring sponsors of some of these big clubs??


I believe that it is 100k because this is his offense for the first time. If he doesn't sell his shares after a time, then they will probably punish him again and also increase the fine. This is how law punishment usually works. First one is usually a warning or a low fine, if you keep violating the law, the punishment gets heavier.

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