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If FIFA or UEFA find Zlatan guilty in all this, this will be forced retirement for him no two ways about it because his already at the end of his career and waiting another 3year's is not on his wishlist.

And from a layman's point of view I think for all this to go away and for him to retire in dignity I think he has to retire himself without bring the conflict of interest forward.

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I still dont understand why such big fine for him. He isnt betting just owns a part of a betting company and not making any calls
And to be 100m thats just outrages i dont know where they get those prices

The fine is very big because they want to make an example of him. If anybody ever tries anything close to what he did ever again, now everybody knows what kind of penalty to be expected, -it will be many million dollars. He isn't betting himself maybe but he is making money of a bet company this is pretty much the same thing, actually it is worse.

They can make an example out of him.But 100 milion dollars isnt a small thing.Thats just insane.If it was 100k to 1m it would be okay but this is just insane for real.Also to ban him from sports is even more stupid,he didnt fix any of the games just a shareholder

Well, somebody says above you that 100 million penalty wasn't actually real.

Quote from: FatFork on April 16, 2021, 03:52:09 PM

I think several people have already noticed that the penalty is not 100 million Euros, but 100 thousand Euros. A drop in the bucket for Ibrahimovic.

In any case, if Ibra were found guilty, he might be in deep trouble... because a three-year suspension from FIFA, during which he would be suspended from all football activities, would hurt him much more.

The actual number is only a 100k Euros. So, just like you said, it is nothing for him. He can pay that kind of money easily. Hopefully, he will sell his shares on that company also.

If that is 100K euros then any would be offenders won't learn because they can easily pay that up but then again how different is it with gambling companies bring sponsors of some of these big clubs??

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Quote from: Joca97 on April 16, 2021, 04:46:32 PM

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Quote from: Joca97 on April 16, 2021, 12:34:52 PM

I still dont understand why such big fine for him. He isnt betting just owns a part of a betting company and not making any calls
And to be 100m thats just outrages i dont know where they get those prices

The fine is very big because they want to make an example of him. If anybody ever tries anything close to what he did ever again, now everybody knows what kind of penalty to be expected, -it will be many million dollars. He isn't betting himself maybe but he is making money of a bet company this is pretty much the same thing, actually it is worse.

They can make an example out of him.But 100 milion dollars isnt a small thing.Thats just insane.If it was 100k to 1m it would be okay but this is just insane for real.Also to ban him from sports is even more stupid,he didnt fix any of the games just a shareholder

Well, somebody says above you that 100 million penalty wasn't actually real.

Quote from: FatFork on April 16, 2021, 03:52:09 PM

I think several people have already noticed that the penalty is not 100 million Euros, but 100 thousand Euros. A drop in the bucket for Ibrahimovic.

In any case, if Ibra were found guilty, he might be in deep trouble... because a three-year suspension from FIFA, during which he would be suspended from all football activities, would hurt him much more.

The actual number is only a 100k Euros. So, just like you said, it is nothing for him. He can pay that kind of money easily. Hopefully, he will sell his shares on that company also.

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Quote from: FatFork on April 16, 2021, 03:52:09 PM

I think several people have already noticed that the penalty is not 100 million Euros, but 100 thousand Euros. A drop in the bucket for Ibrahimovic.

In any case, if Ibra were found guilty, he might be in deep trouble... because a three-year suspension from FIFA, during which he would be suspended from all football activities, would hurt him much more.

Going by the pace of the investigation, I don't think that any punishment will be handed out this year. Personally I feel that a 3-year suspension will be disproportional. But even if they decide to hand out such a punishment, then I don't expect it before 2022 or even 2023. And by that time Ibrahimovic will be 40 or 41 and happily retired from the game. I am saying this after looking at the investigation process during 2018-2021.

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Quote from: Yogee on April 14, 2021, 11:14:31 AM

100 million euros for conflict interest....that's steep. He's also at the end of his career so that will hurt even more if the accusation is proven. This is probably another case of a professional athlete receiving a bad financial advice.

He should probably cooperate with UEFA and FIFA for a possibility of lighter charges.

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Bethard's CEO Erik Skarp has confirmed Sportbladet that the striker still owns stokes in Bethard's sole shareholder Gameday Group PLC.

He may have got bad financial advice but surely it wouldnt take massive intelligence
to figure out that it was a conflict of interests getting involved with Bethard,
He should have either retired early or continued playing and retired later and
then move to gambling.

Personally I was never fond of him as a player, a very cynical, bad tempered,
bad mannered player with an attitude of superiority and a player which embodies
everything I hate about Soccer, so in my opinion I have little sympathy for him.

While obviously we do not really know him but he gives me the impression that even if he received the right financial advise he thought he could get away with it and decided to invest and be invested in a casino anyway, even if there was not any wrongdoing this still looks bad and he should have known that he was going to eventually get caught and yet he still decided to do it, so I think this is a very clear case and he is going to lose a lot of money just by being that stubborn.

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Quote from: mindrust on April 16, 2021, 12:43:44 PM

Quote from: Joca97 on April 16, 2021, 12:34:52 PM

I still dont understand why such big fine for him. He isnt betting just owns a part of a betting company and not making any calls
And to be 100m thats just outrages i dont know where they get those prices

The fine is very big because they want to make an example of him. If anybody ever tries anything close to what he did ever again, now everybody knows what kind of penalty to be expected, -it will be many million dollars. He isn't betting himself maybe but he is making money of a bet company this is pretty much the same thing, actually it is worse.

They can make an example out of him.But 100 milion dollars isnt a small thing.Thats just insane.If it was 100k to 1m it would be okay but this is just insane for real.Also to ban him from sports is even more stupid,he didnt fix any of the games just a shareholder

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Quote from: mindrust on April 16, 2021, 06:53:57 AM

Quote from: https://www.football-italia.net/169135/ibrahimovic-risks-sanction-involvement-betting-agency

Zlatan Ibrahimovic risks being fined or even banned by FIFA and UEFA as it emerges his joint-stock company owns 10% of a betting agency.

According to FIFA and UEFA rules, it is prohibited for players to have financial interest in betting companies.

Makes sense. A professional player like him should be more careful about his investments. If players were allowed to own stakes at casinos then that would affect the games and players would lose on purpose. $100 million is a big amount though. I wonder if he has that kind of cash around...

I think several people have already noticed that the penalty is not 100 million Euros, but 100 thousand Euros. A drop in the bucket for Ibrahimovic.

In any case, if Ibra were found guilty, he might be in deep trouble... because a three-year suspension from FIFA, during which he would be suspended from all football activities, would hurt him much more.

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Quote from: milewilda on April 16, 2021, 01:57:59 PM

Quote from: mindrust on April 16, 2021, 12:43:44 PM

Quote from: Joca97 on April 16, 2021, 12:34:52 PM

I still dont understand why such big fine for him. He isnt betting just owns a part of a betting company and not making any calls
And to be 100m thats just outrages i dont know where they get those prices

The fine is very big because they want to make an example of him. If anybody ever tries anything close to what he did ever again, now everybody knows what kind of penalty to be expected, -it will be many million dollars. He isn't betting himself maybe but he is making money of a bet company this is pretty much the same thing, actually it is worse.

We dont know on what are their basis but fines shouldnt be something that these athletes would really be having a hard time on paying up those or would really be an eye opener
who those who tend to do the same thing or still yet unknown to the public if they are been part or have some shares on a betting company.We dont know on how they do get those
numbers but it is just right to imply those so that others would be aware and wouldnt do the same thing.This could really hurt, imagine on paying up a fine of
100m isnt something that you can easily deal off.This might even hurt or affect his career.

Even for a professional demanded player (7,2 million of dollars by playing a season for the Los Angeles Galaxy, US soccer team) who is sponsored by big brands, a fine of 100 million of dollars will hurt the finances for sure. These authorities must be really mad on him, and maybe being a gambling site's shareholder isn't the only issue, or might he been warned before by FIFA/UEFA and just ignored the warning?
Probably if he was a lower class soccer player the punishment would be softer.

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Quote from: mindrust on April 16, 2021, 12:43:44 PM

Quote from: Joca97 on April 16, 2021, 12:34:52 PM

I still dont understand why such big fine for him. He isnt betting just owns a part of a betting company and not making any calls
And to be 100m thats just outrages i dont know where they get those prices

The fine is very big because they want to make an example of him. If anybody ever tries anything close to what he did ever again, now everybody knows what kind of penalty to be expected, -it will be many million dollars. He isn't betting himself maybe but he is making money of a bet company this is pretty much the same thing, actually it is worse.

We dont know on what are their basis but fines shouldnt be something that these athletes would really be having a hard time on paying up those or would really be an eye opener
who those who tend to do the same thing or still yet unknown to the public if they are been part or have some shares on a betting company.We dont know on how they do get those
numbers but it is just right to imply those so that others would be aware and wouldnt do the same thing.This could really hurt, imagine on paying up a fine of
100m isnt something that you can easily deal off.This might even hurt or affect his career.

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Quote from: Joca97 on April 16, 2021, 12:34:52 PM

I still dont understand why such big fine for him. He isnt betting just owns a part of a betting company and not making any calls
And to be 100m thats just outrages i dont know where they get those prices

The fine is very big because they want to make an example of him. If anybody ever tries anything close to what he did ever again, now everybody knows what kind of penalty to be expected, -it will be many million dollars. He isn't betting himself maybe but he is making money of a bet company this is pretty much the same thing, actually it is worse.

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I still dont understand why such big fine for him. He isnt betting just owns a part of a betting company and not making any calls
And to be 100m thats just outrages i dont know where they get those prices

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Quote from: ReiMomo on April 15, 2021, 11:04:07 AM

I really feel bad about Zlatan. He is a good player indeed but being a good player isn’t enough. He is I guess to be one of the greatest players in Football but never in business and legalities. I don’t know why he didn’t just choose the usual path the players are taking. Owning stocks from different companies in a different name. In this way, it’s not just he can hide his name to secure his career, he can also reduce his taxes.

I still do not think less of Zlatan. I mean, come on, everyone is a human even these footballers. Messi and Ronaldo are always giving to charity but both have been guilty of tax evasion and have paid fines. I think there are many cases of footballers betting on themselves (even though it means they do not throw away games but it is still wrong). Or players who tell family members they are playing or not and those go out to place bets. Happens all the time.

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Quote from: https://www.football-italia.net/169135/ibrahimovic-risks-sanction-involvement-betting-agency

Zlatan Ibrahimovic risks being fined or even banned by FIFA and UEFA as it emerges his joint-stock company owns 10% of a betting agency.

According to FIFA and UEFA rules, it is prohibited for players to have financial interest in betting companies.

Makes sense. A professional player like him should be more careful about his investments. If players were allowed to own stakes at casinos then that would affect the games and players would lose on purpose. $100 million is a big amount though. I wonder if he has that kind of cash around...

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Quote from: palle11 on April 14, 2021, 11:32:40 AM

This definitely won't be a good ending for Zlatan if found guilty. At 39 and winding off, he needs a soft ground to allow him go into other aspect of football after retirement like coaching as it is now the routine for retired players. Well as of now it is still an allegation until FIFA and UEFA makes their finding known.

It's more disheartening to hear this news sincerely becasue he's at the end of his career and this came to him with this unfortunate. The authorities should be mindful of what should become the end of this professional if find guilty, i would suggest that they file him some simple ground that won't be dangerous to his retirement. The FIFA most especially should consider this guy to reduce his penalty.

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Quote from: hopenotlate on April 14, 2021, 02:03:37 PM

Problem is there are rules from Fifa and Uefa that do not allow players participating in their competitions to have financial interests in gambòing companies; it's not a matter of business decisions players can invest in whatever they want except gambling sector.

Yes, both associations have this rule. The strange thing now is that I don't know any of the top football clubs that don't have at least one betting provider as a sponsor. In England it is even very extreme, there are several clubs in the same league that have the same main sponsor, a betting provider of course. There are immense conflicts of interest.

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Quote from: Marvelman on April 15, 2021, 03:20:43 PM

Quote from: perfect999 on April 15, 2021, 02:28:26 PM

I do not agree with 100 million dollar fine, but if the alternative is to just stop playing football?

As stated earlier, it is not 100 million, but rather "just" 100,000.

In that case he could just pay this nominal fine (€100,000) and close this issue once and for all. But I still don't understand why the Swedish authorities were so late to act. The news first came out in 2018, and we are still discussing about it three years later. A deal would have been reached much earlier. And I would say that this is not the way to treat a legend, who has helped his country to qualify for several global tournaments.

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Quote from: Marvelman on April 15, 2021, 07:16:33 AM

The only thing I don't get is how he didn't realize it was against FIFA and UEFA rules? Especially because he had a similar case in 2018. I'm wondering if he took a calculated risk?

He surely knows that but since he had a similar case in 2018, he now has some ways how to worked on that kind of scheme again without being noticed or being interrupted by FIFA and UEFA rules.

He knows the risk and accepts it. The weird thing is, everyone at least in that sector already knows the guy's involvement but the action is just taking place after years in the making.

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Quote from: perfect999 on April 15, 2021, 02:28:26 PM

I do not agree with 100 million dollar fine, but if the alternative is to just stop playing football?

As stated earlier, it is not 100 million, but rather "just" 100,000.

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Quote from: notblox1 on April 14, 2021, 10:59:34 AM

Zlatan Ibrahimovic is under investigation because company Unknown AB that he is co-owner has 10% ownership for betting company Bethard.com.
39-year-old footballer could be fined for 100 milion euros or be suspended from all football activity for up to three years and this is going to affect him and his club Milan for sure!

I do not agree with 100 million dollar fine, but if the alternative is to just stop playing football? Dude is old enough to retire anyway, hell he was old enough to retire few years ago, I assumed his career would be over when he went to USA. In any case, 100 million dollars is a lot, he could be asked to just giveaway his shares or give up football, that way you either get no conflict of interest, or you get no conflict of interest, isn't that the purpose? If he pays 100 million and keeps being the partner then what is the point?

And if he doesn't keep being partner and pays 100 million, why did he paid it to begin with? Plus anyone who knows Ibrahimovic would know that there is zero chance he could be selling games to make more money as well. However I have to say, it is an idiotic move by him to do this as well, why be part owner of a sportsbook when you are in the bets itself? He shouldn't have done it too.

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The controversies of these days do not seem to distract Zlatan Ibrahimovic from the important things in life. And so here is that the Swede, as reported by the site Mow-Men on Wheels, was spotted at the Benetti shipyards in Livorno while visiting a boat worth an estimated twenty million. Descended from a car with dark windows, the AC Milan striker has devoted himself to the study of the yacht "Rebeca", a wonder of forty meters on three floors with a long swimming pool at sea level, a gym, a barbecue area with Jacuzzi and five cabins.
https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_aprile_15/ibrahimovic-nuovo-yacht-20-milioni-40-metri-zlatan-vuole-comprare-rebeca-nuovo-gioiello-mare-93d82f46-9e06-11eb-a55a-be49eedc613c.shtml?refresh_ce-cp

He does not look worried to me.

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I really feel bad about Zlatan. He is a good player indeed but being a good player isn’t enough. He is I guess to be one of the greatest players in Football but never in business and legalities. I don’t know why he didn’t just choose the usual path the players are taking. Owning stocks from different companies in a different name. In this way, it’s not just he can hide his name to secure his career, he can also reduce his taxes.

Well I guess, if in case he has been suspended he has enough funds to up his career. Like he can shift from being a player to owning a team and him being the coach. That would be a win-win for him if in case!
However, he is too young to be suspended or not being able to play. If found guilty, I guess he doesn’t have a choice.

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