Again Theymos, could you please validate the few merit sources "to-be" that have applied? I believe you can see this....cus I read something about some merit circle yesterday... That's exactly the kinda world we live in.
At the moment, theymos is not considering anyone for the role of m'sources (I believe this will be the case for at least the next 6 months). 
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Also, if this type of generosity was aimed at just one merit source applicant while the others were not given merits, it is clearly unfair and would raise questions.
I just read through the entire argument and it was kinda like amusing at first... So many things happening and it seems like nothing has happened at all ... Meanwhile, philipma1957 didn't necessarily have to give out merit to Icopress -- especially since he's not made to issue an allocation of any sort... Ehnnn... But he said that he felt like supporting him and that he likes his job... In that case, do you feel uncomfortable or like maybe there's any suspicions in his actions?... I haven't seen you pressing on an issue like this without any valid reason.The question if asked in a general sense, would any merit source applicant be happy to receive merits from those opposing his application because they like work or would they prefer to read a post to indicate they are (or are not) supporting his application?
I didn't get this point... Was philipma previously against icopress' application? Ofcourse they'd prefer to write on this thread whether or not they're in support 
Again Theymos, could you please validate the few merit sources "to-be" that have applied? I believe you can see this....cus I read something about some merit circle yesterday... That's exactly the kinda world we live in.
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We are in agreement here, that is what he seems to be doing however he also voiced his opposition to icopress becoming merit source and that is where the two do not equate. No doubt he has been very generous with his merits to icopress but icopress did not ask for them.
The question if asked in a general sense, would any merit source applicant be happy to receive merits from those opposing his application because they like work or would they prefer to read a post to indicate they are (or are not) supporting his application?
Yeah, he opposed the application but his stance was "Conflict of Interest," which's not true as we all know, and in his previous posts he mentioned that he had background knowledge in accounting and IRS training and that made him to bring the "Conflict of interest," topic to the application.The question if asked in a general sense, would any merit source applicant be happy to receive merits from those opposing his application because they like work or would they prefer to read a post to indicate they are (or are not) supporting his application?
Icopress, never asked for any merits but I believe he won't mind having those merits as he's a deserving member of the forum and if someone sends him merits, no matter if the merits come from an opposing member, then there's nothing wrong with it. I know it could be somehow hurtful to hear opposing words from reputed members but I'm quite sure that Icopress understands that in merit source application, both support and opposition could be present.
You're right that no body becomes happy when they get merits from someone who opposed their application, but still if someone is sending merits as a way to show his generosity then one should accept it as a sign of good will. I highly agree with all your words, however, I believe that philipma1957 could rethink about his opposition and might take it words back because if we analyze it deeply then we can understand that there won't be any conflict of interest or whatsoever even if a manager becomes a merit source.
We are in agreement here, that is what he seems to be doing however he also voiced his opposition to icopress becoming merit source and that is where the two do not equate. No doubt he has been very generous with his merits to icopress but icopress did not ask for them.
The question if asked in a general sense, would any merit source applicant be happy to receive merits from those opposing his application because they like work or would they prefer to read a post to indicate they are (or are not) supporting his application?
Without doubt philipma1957 is being generous with his merits but from what I can see there is a huge contradiction in actions, that was why I stated that for me the two simply do not equate.
The question if asked in a general sense, would any merit source applicant be happy to receive merits from those opposing his application because they like work or would they prefer to read a post to indicate they are (or are not) supporting his application?
Without doubt philipma1957 is being generous with his merits but from what I can see there is a huge contradiction in actions, that was why I stated that for me the two simply do not equate.
I have read his post and cannot work out why you seem to have concluded anything from his comments equating to you giving merits to icopress (or anyone else) in order to support him.
If I'm not wrong then it's a generous act by philipma1957 to support Icopress with merits so he may get some sMerits that he could send to the deserving posts. That's what came in my mind, I could be wrong but it's an act of generosity and support from philipma1957 I believe. If I'm not wrong then philipma1957 also believes that Icopress is doing great job for the forum and that could be another reason why he's sending those merits to Icopress.A lot of the disagreement by me with this thread is my Accounting and IRS training. Which define a merit source act as a signature manager as a conflict of interest.
Yes, I believe that's because of your accounting and IRS training, however in actual there won't be conflict of interest. If you notice the merit history of Icopress then you can easily observe that he gets more than enough merits and in all of the signature campaigns that he manages, he never asks for number of merits a member earned in past 120 days. He mostly accept the members based on their posting habits not based on the number of merits earned, and if we keep that in our mind then I'm sure there won't be any conflict of interest even if he becomes a merit source and give merits to the valuable posts of the members who are part of the signature campaigns that he's managing.
I have read his post and cannot work out why you seem to have concluded anything from his comments equating to you giving merits to icopress (or anyone else) in order to support him.
If I'm not wrong then it's a generous act by philipma1957 to support Icopress with merits so he may get some sMerits that he could send to the deserving posts. That's what came in my mind, I could be wrong but it's an act of generosity and support from philipma1957 I believe. If I'm not wrong then philipma1957 also believes that Icopress is doing great job for the forum and that could be another reason why he's sending those merits to Icopress.
Right now I cannot think of any campaign manager that asked to become merit source but having said that icopress asked to become a merit source he did not ask for members (including you) to merit his posts in order for him to be able to send out more merits to other members.
Hypothetically, if you asked to be merit source, given a choice would you prefer a member to post his support for you to become merit source or would you prefer to receive merits from a member because he likes your work but has become a vocal opposition to your merit source application citing a possible conflict of interest?
It seems you do not want icopress to become a merit source yet you are happy to give him merits for posts that might or might not deserve them on the basis you like his work. For me, the two simply do not equate.
he is the only one that handles signature campaigns.
if you can point out an application from a person that did not get the merit source and is a signature manager I may award merits to that person. If I like his work. Which is my entire point about Icopress I like his work.
Hypothetically, if you asked to be merit source, given a choice would you prefer a member to post his support for you to become merit source or would you prefer to receive merits from a member because he likes your work but has become a vocal opposition to your merit source application citing a possible conflict of interest?
It seems you do not want icopress to become a merit source yet you are happy to give him merits for posts that might or might not deserve them on the basis you like his work. For me, the two simply do not equate.
If I understand the situation correctly, icopress has made a merit source application like many other members but I do not recall any of them receiving merits for the sake of helping the applicants to merit other posts.
I do not recall icopress ever asking for help at all and definitely not via merits. If he did not ask for members to merit his posts in order for him be able to merit more posts, why should any member take it upon themselves to merit his posts for the sake of increasing the number merits he can send? I am confused.
Also, if this type of generosity was aimed at just one merit source applicant while the others were not given merits, it is clearly unfair and would raise questions.
I do not recall icopress ever asking for help at all and definitely not via merits. If he did not ask for members to merit his posts in order for him be able to merit more posts, why should any member take it upon themselves to merit his posts for the sake of increasing the number merits he can send? I am confused.
Also, if this type of generosity was aimed at just one merit source applicant while the others were not given merits, it is clearly unfair and would raise questions.
63 merits = 31 merits to give out.
he is the only one that handles signature campaigns.
if you can point out an application from a person that did not get the merit source and is a signature manager I may award merits to that person. If I like his work. Which is my entire point about Icopress I like his work.
If I understand the situation correctly, icopress has made a merit source application like many other members but I do not recall any of them receiving merits for the sake of helping the applicants to merit other posts.
I do not recall icopress ever asking for help at all and definitely not via merits. If he did not ask for members to merit his posts in order for him be able to merit more posts, why should any member take it upon themselves to merit his posts for the sake of increasing the number merits he can send? I am confused.
Also, if this type of generosity was aimed at just one merit source applicant while the others were not given merits, it is clearly unfair and would raise questions.
I do not recall icopress ever asking for help at all and definitely not via merits. If he did not ask for members to merit his posts in order for him be able to merit more posts, why should any member take it upon themselves to merit his posts for the sake of increasing the number merits he can send? I am confused.
Also, if this type of generosity was aimed at just one merit source applicant while the others were not given merits, it is clearly unfair and would raise questions.
63 merits = 31 merits to give out.
he is the only one that handles signature campaigns.
if you can point out an application from a person that did not get the merit source and is a signature manager I may award merits to that person. If I like his work. Which is my entire point about Icopress I like his work.
If I understand the situation correctly, icopress has made a merit source application like many other members but I do not recall any of them receiving merits for the sake of helping the applicants to merit other posts.
I do not recall icopress ever asking for help at all and definitely not via merits. If he did not ask for members to merit his posts in order for him be able to merit more posts, why should any member take it upon themselves to merit his posts for the sake of increasing the number merits he can send? I am confused.
Also, if this type of generosity was aimed at just one merit source applicant while the others were not given merits, it is clearly unfair and would raise questions.
I do not recall icopress ever asking for help at all and definitely not via merits. If he did not ask for members to merit his posts in order for him be able to merit more posts, why should any member take it upon themselves to merit his posts for the sake of increasing the number merits he can send? I am confused.
Also, if this type of generosity was aimed at just one merit source applicant while the others were not given merits, it is clearly unfair and would raise questions.
63 merits = 31 merits to give out.
Took your advice and only gave him 13 even though I could have done 50.
Forgive me if I am missing something here but did Poker Player actually give any advice aimed at you? I have read his post and cannot work out why you seem to have concluded anything from his comments equating to you giving merits to icopress (or anyone else) in order to support him.Furthermore, I cannot think of any reason why you would give merits to support icopress or anyone else. How does support even work unless you are a merit source that reviews posts and helps members rank up by giving merits and the merits are all used. In that case members might give merits to help the rank up process for worthy posts but other than that I cannot see find any valid reason.
Yeah I could continue to support him with merits. I likely will do that.
A lot of the disagreement by me with this thread is my Accounting and IRS training. Which define a merit source act as a signature manager as a conflict of interest.
Much like the bill payer in a business should not be the bill collector. Separation of duties is the concept.
So far I gave him 63 merits .
I am curious, how do you think your 63 merits supported him?A lot of the disagreement by me with this thread is my Accounting and IRS training. Which define a merit source act as a signature manager as a conflict of interest.
Much like the bill payer in a business should not be the bill collector. Separation of duties is the concept.
So far I gave him 63 merits .
63 merits = 31 merits to give out.
Took your advice and only gave him 13 even though I could have done 50.
Forgive me if I am missing something here but did Poker Player actually give any advice aimed at you? I have read his post and cannot work out why you seem to have concluded anything from his comments equating to you giving merits to icopress (or anyone else) in order to support him.Furthermore, I cannot think of any reason why you would give merits to support icopress or anyone else. How does support even work unless you are a merit source that reviews posts and helps members rank up by giving merits and the merits are all used. In that case members might give merits to help the rank up process for worthy posts but other than that I cannot see find any valid reason.
Yeah I could continue to support him with merits. I likely will do that.
A lot of the disagreement by me with this thread is my Accounting and IRS training. Which define a merit source act as a signature manager as a conflict of interest.
Much like the bill payer in a business should not be the bill collector. Separation of duties is the concept.
So far I gave him 63 merits .
I am curious, how do you think your 63 merits supported him? A lot of the disagreement by me with this thread is my Accounting and IRS training. Which define a merit source act as a signature manager as a conflict of interest.
Much like the bill payer in a business should not be the bill collector. Separation of duties is the concept.
So far I gave him 63 merits .
Took your advice and only gave him 13 even though I could have done 50.
You could gave him 50 merits that wouldn't be wrong either. But, the point is, your sending of merits shouldn't impact your and his relationship in anyway. Like if you send him 50 merits at a time, and to be honest he deserves those merits, then you may still not feel any hesitation when you may get to work with him in future.We all are like a family on this forum, and if someone who appreciates a family member's posts or in simple words contribution then he/she can send merits to that member for his/her contribution. After sometime when the member who sent merits to a member gets accepted in a campaign that's managed by the same member then there's nothing wrong in that either.
Yeah I could continue to support him with merits. I likely will do that.
A lot of the disagreement by me with this thread is my Accounting and IRS training. Which define a merit source act as a signature manager as a conflict of interest.
Much like the bill payer in a business should not be the bill collector. Separation of duties is the concept.
So far I gave him 63 merits .
Took your advice and only gave him 13 even though I could have done 50.
You could gave him 50 merits that wouldn't be wrong either. But, the point is, your sending of merits shouldn't impact your and his relationship in anyway. Like if you send him 50 merits at a time, and to be honest he deserves those merits, then you may still not feel any hesitation when you may get to work with him in future.We all are like a family on this forum, and if someone who appreciates a family member's posts or in simple words contribution then he/she can send merits to that member for his/her contribution. After sometime when the member who sent merits to a member gets accepted in a campaign that's managed by the same member then there's nothing wrong in that either.
A bit late from me but I hereby endorse icopress' merit source application. Good luck.
I will never use icopress as a signature manager because I am consistent about conflict of interest and would consider it a conflict of interest due to me giving him 50 and soon another 50 merits.
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Lol.
I think you overcomplicate your life in this regard. You don't need to give him 50 merits every time you can, nor prohibit yourself from participating in his campaigns. Although obviously as an autonomous person and merit source you can do whatever you want. But I see all this in a simpler way, and I will not repeat what I have already said about icopress postulation in previous posts in this thread.
Took your advice and only gave him 13 even though I could have done 50.
The only difference between a Merit source and someone else is that a Merit source isn't allowed to sell Merit.
As far as I know nobody is allowed to sell merits in forum, not just merit sources, maybe this is not written in forum rules but everyone knows this is a not endorsed.It happened before several times, they got caught and they deserved negative feedback for sure.
The only difference between a Merit source and someone else is that a Merit source isn't allowed to sell Merit.
As far as I know nobody is allowed to sell merits in forum, not just merit sources, maybe this is not written in forum rules but everyone knows this is a not endorsed.It happened before several times, they got caught and they deserved negative feedback for sure.
The only difference between a Merit source and someone else is that a Merit source isn't allowed to sell Merit.
Explain that betterbecause it infers that those of us who are not merit sources are allowed to sell merit and I doubt very much that you mean that.
It's the same as selling accounts: it's not forbidden, so it's allowed. There are no consequences from the forum, but it's heavily frowned upon. You won't get banned and your sent Merit won't be reverted, but you can get negative feedback from anyone who thinks you deserve it.If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.
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The only difference between a Merit source and someone else is that a Merit source isn't allowed to sell Merit.
Explain that better because it infers that those of us who are not merit sources are allowed to sell merit and I doubt very much that you mean that. In fact from what I remember theymos talked about how he only saw it as legitimate to red tag someone for selling merit (not for exchanging it, for example, or giving it in a careless way), with no distinction between whether the person selling it is a merit source or not.
I will never use icopress as a signature manager because I am consistent about conflict of interest and would consider it a conflict of interest due to me giving him 50 and soon another 50 merits.
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Oh, so isn't this the wrong attitude for merit giving, especially for merit sources?
you will give him maximum merit whenever you can, you promise in advance regardless of whether he will write something worth so much merit. Is that compensation for your position on this topic?
the fact remains no signature person should be a merit source.
That goes against Bitcointalk's mission to be as free as possible. The only difference between a Merit source and someone else is that a Merit source isn't allowed to sell Merit.Quote
Ie I am a merit source I want to be a signature manager does anyone want to hire me. Is this the way merit sources became signature managers.
I haven't seen much abuse from Merit sources, and I've never seen something as obvious as "hire me because I'm a Merit source". Jump to: