Topic: Icopress ' Merit Source Application 🚩 - page 6. (Read 5247 times)

What's exactly stopping a manager to pay Sr Member as Hero member (or getting him on a private deal)  if he thinks that member is good and will bring him extra visibility? So why going through that hassle of ranking members up in the first place.

Dunno, I think that you guys are just overthinking things.

I am sure you will have fun with this. By the way, the number of times he applied to join campaigns run by icopress (and the time he used the words please can I join) is laughable when you look at the way he is conducting himself now with a clear anti-icopress agenda.

Something quite clearly is not right with him. Even before he copied and pasted all that nonsense in his thread for the security sub-board, he had an overinflated ego and thought far too much of himself considering he has not really contributed at all to the forum. The levels of hypocrisy shown by him are shocking. The constant barrage of nonsense he spouted including trying to justify why he spouted the nonsense in the first place with all the contradictory messages (related to Whirlwind and gambling) effectively showed the level of hypocrisy he is at.

.. and all of those post he made about his alleged superior intellect therefore the word narcissism seems apt  

I gave you 50 merits

I do not think any campaign manager should be a merit source.

I do not know of anyway for me  to be more clear on the subject.

Point A) I like you and think you are honest.
Point B) I do not think a campaign manager should be a source as it is a conflict of interest.


Sorry for double post, but it is separate from the one before.

i won’t say anything nasty.

i will ask this instead : do you have a complete history of every merit he gave out?

and did he give merits to people that were not hero or legendary.?

so:

 a) show me every merit he gave away. since he gave merits.
b) show me every merit he gave to anyone under  hero.
c) if you do this I will then need  to see every one he approved to a better campaign.

if not you simply do not answer my conflict of interest concept.


this is not about Icopress.

this is about all campaigns by all managers.

it is very simple

can I easily see every merit a source campaign based manager gives out?

back to the beginning of every source person that is a manager of campaigns.

If I can I can see if they boosted a person in 2020 or 2021 in preparation for promotion to a well paying campaign.

especially since most campaigns pay shit  at this time due to theymos  banning mixers.

I have been completely transparent about paying back over four thousand dollars to a mixer campaign and will continue to mention this. So that no one will say I hold a grudge against icopress because of this

this is not about icopress. this is about a  conflict of interest issue that hurts bitcointalk.

Sure, I'm going to get down to providing evidence of what everyone can see, lol.


Sure, sure. The fact that you earn merits at 0.64 times your activity despite the walls of text you write and the lessons you pretend to give everyone and you call me a garbage poster when I earn merits at 1.54 times my activity is a big lol as well. Don't you get tired of making a fool of yourself?

Oh, wait, it turns out that you don't earn enough merits in this forum because the forum members have a low IQ, is that it?

 


That's all well and good philipma1957 but what you don't explain is why he hasn't done that already. icopress has earned almost 7000 merits, which is almost 3500 smerits. Look at his post history and tell me a single case that is as you say. It is no more a conflict of interest than the 7,000 merits he has earned. Shall we ban him from using smerits too?

Not the same at all..

Any campaign manager could merit 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 people. Do it for a month. Then let them join as heroes getting them higher fees.

It is an inherent conflict of interest.

I do not know the status of the 109 merit sources. I am not sure any are campaign managers.  But it does not change the fact that no campaign manager should ever be a merit source.

As for a signature person giving tons of merits to a campaign manager. It is visible if they do.

The difference is clear.

A campaign manager will know he is giving to 5 accounts that he can add at will in the future. Along with 5 or 10 others that he does not care just to throw you off.

A signature guy can give 50 merits to a campaign manager and ask in a month but it would be obvious  to see they did it as they would be giving to an active person.

While a campaign manager giving to 15 people knowing he will add 5 down the road can hide what he is doing.

If I funded a campaign I would insist that the manager does not give merits to anyone that is not a legend as it would protect me from over paying.

So if Icopress says he will only give merits  to legends his source would be pure.

Same for any other campaign manger.

let me explain this better.


this is a high paying campaign




So by letting him be a merit source you are giving him the ability jack up 3 or 4  full members to hero.

Then slip them in down the road.


I am not saying he will but I am saying this is an inherent conflict of interest.


I would love to know what campaign managers are merit soruces and look back a year or 2 at the merit history.

In fairness, icopress has been contributing across the forum. Without doubt he is a valuable member, that cannot be denied because his longevity and consistency has demonstrated. The member that has changed his opinion and no longer wants icopress to be merit source has a chequered history of dubious posts and behaviour therefore to give him any attention regarding this matter is probably not warranted.

Quite clearly, he has applied for campaigns managed by icopress and maybe was never selected therefore stopped applying, maybe that is his motivation. Anyway, I think regardless of the number of members that will support (or oppose) his application the final decision is/always was with theymos and if he looks at this thread he will see icopress has almost unanimous support.

This is an interesting statistic and what it means is if anything untoward happened with regards to icopress handing out merits, it would already have been mentioned/alleged in this thread.

I must tell you that my intention was not to say that he favors the advertisers by sending them merits or something like that. You misunderstood my words, I said that because a manager need to convince the advertisers to advertise on a forum which isn't a simple thing. The manager has to convince them that they will get good results if they advertise on a forum like this.

Favor in my words is more like helping those advertisers to grow on this forum, and I guess now you got my words. Nothing is wrong in that approach because advertisers are paying huge money in order to get results and a manager tries his/her best to give best results to those advertisers by accepting the active participants of the forum. Favor doesn't mean that he doesn't give importance to the interests of the community.

In fact, I believe Icopress is one of those managers who gives so much importance to the interests of the community. He's not only a good manager but also a very good human being and I believe someone like Icopress will surely be a very good merit source of this forum.

I could not agree more with Hhampuz and paid2. And, of course, with all the others which expressed same thoughts. But I think the parts I quoted above are explaining the situation in best possible way.

Other than that, even if a campaign manager (icopress in this case) would actually misuse his Merit Source "powers" (assuming that his application will be approved), then he can also be demoted by theymos. There were many cases in the past, when other Merit Sources lost their status, for various reasons. The process of being "promoted" to Merit source is not irreversible and all Merit sources are aware of this. As a consequence, all which act in good faith are doing their best to preserve their status and use their "powers" in the way they were meant to: to help the forum, to help users deserving to rank up to actually achieve this, to highlight quality posts, to appreciate the ones which are good forum contributors by sending them merits.

I am sure that if icopress' application will be approved he will do a very good job in this new position, same as he did a very good job in anything else he did on this forum for years.

Blatant evidence of your hypocrisy is easily visible in your personal signature area. But, we already have several threads on the Reputation board dedicated to this topic. Perhaps you've simply forgotten about them?  Anyway, reviewing those discussions would be more appropriate than rehashing everything here.  So, I suggest you to stop further discussion on this matter as that would also be off-topic here. Otherwise, the moderators will have some cleaning to do.

One could choose to perceive that isolated situation as hypocrisy (as you do) though I've already explained in the thread about how I do not see it that way, as I believe being open and honest about the fact that casinos thrive on human greed and weakness should not mean that I have to change his opinions just to qualify for a signature campaign, and that others should not be excluded from this opportunity because of discussing this fact.

Since you accuse me of being a hypocrite since then on a constant basis, how about you provide some evidence of that? My best is that you'll either find nothing or post some unrelated garbage, since garbage posting is something is a constant with yourself.


That's not what I'm saying. I am saying that a member that favors the interests of advertisers over the interests of the community does not deserve to be a merit source, period.

It's about time, Vod publishes his website presenting your fraud and it will get revealed to everyone.


From all Merit distribution of icopress we can only conclude he will be a good Merit source.

It isn't really exclusive to campaign managers but if you've been watching what's going on here over the last few years you'd see that some people took their merit source status and used it to get their subordinates or people who agree with their politics into the default trust network.  They then use their influence to have those who don't agree with their opinions excluded.  This has led to the default trust network becoming nearly useless for real world activity and actually trusting people on this forum with money as I believe it was meant for.  

You were a hypocrite who is not to give moral lessons in August 2023, and you are still a hypocrite now, because nothing has happened since then to think that you have stopped being a hypocrite, on the contrary.



This is interesting and I agree in principle if we add the word potentially: A campaign manager and a merit source are potentially a conflict of interest. Maybe if I were theymos I would think about not giving merit source status to any campaign manager for this very reason. Now, if this is not the case, as Hhampuz says the merit records sent are public and if there was a misuse some people would immediately complain about it in the Reputation section.

In fact, to me the strongest proof that icopress will not misuse merits if given merit source status is that he earns merits at 5 times his activity and does not misuse them now.

Yes, he's a quite good and active guy who gives enough time to this forum and read some good posts of the members that are part of signature campaigns that he manages, not only those members but all the members who make good posts are noticed by him. I think he highly deserves to be a merit source and I believe that once he becomes a merit source, he'll fulfill his responsibilities in the best way possible. i fully support his application and I believe Theymos should also consider his application.

What a way to change your statement from favor of an application to against that application. I don't know what lead you to think that Icopress is no longer fit for a merit source position because to me it seems more like a personal issue rather than a genuine one. As far as I know, Icopress mostly give merits to the good posts only and he's not someone who would favor the ones who are in his best interest.

As a campaign manager he has the right to favor advertisers and deal with them professionally but that doesn't mean that after becoming a merit source he may send merits to the advertisers only so he can please them for his own best interests. That's a totally false statement against a reputed member like Icopress. I highly disagree with you in that regard and I believe that majority of the members will also disagree with you.

If being a merit source plus being a manager will be a conflict of interest then how much more for being a DT 2/1 and manager? Maybe there will be a conflict of interest if the person is a doing crazy business here.

I think its fine as long as the person acquire that will do his job with no biases or bad intention.

If ppl didn't say names I wouldn't know they're talking bad about icopress because he's really a good guy who's helped users. He gave me a chance to join UniJoin's sig campaign. I haven't been in sig campaigns after Jan 1st mixers ban because UniJoin moved out but I didn't see 1 complain against icopress or Unijoin in their services topics.

They're posts are lamentable because they don't like icopress so they'll accuse him of lies just because he's asked for merit source.

He's a good guy so I don't believe ppl saying icopress shouldn't be merit source. I don't believe them when they're saying his own interests with advertisers his mean more to him. He's more helpful in bitcointalk forum than small group of users lying about him in this topic.

I disagree. In fact, the campaign manager works under considerable scrutiny, making them less likely to abuse merit source status. Besides, campaign managers can decide freely who they want to accept in the campaigns, with or without merit requirements.

Not more than any campaign participant if we follow this logic... Any source could merit bomb a manager in exchange of a good campaign position/payrate.

If someone is trustable and own all required qualities to be source,  manager or not is not important IMO. A positive thing with a manager is that we know he won't risk his reputation/business here for some merits donations

Icopress has been a member who has been making valuable contributions to the forum for a long time. Along with his being a campaign manager he is making a big contribution to gambling board as well. For this reason I'm supporting Icopress' application.