Topic: Icopress ' Merit Source Application 🚩 - page 3. (Read 5206 times)

There is nothing wrong if you send merits to Icopress because he's a well contributing member and he deserves to have those merits. And, I believe you can get into signature campaigns managed by him and that won't be conflict of interest.

If he's managing a campaign and others are getting into those campaigns then you can also be part of those campaigns. I'm very sure that you sent Icopress those merits because you believe that he deserves those merits and there's no conflict of interest when you send 50 more merits.

This caught post my attention because I fail to understand the rationale behind your point. This is how I interpreted it:

If icopress remains a campaign manager but is not a merit source (as the situation currently stands), you stating you will never apply to join his campaigns purely on the basis you deem it to be a conflict of interest because he merely asked to be a merit source. Did I understand you correctly?

Lol.

I think you overcomplicate your life in this regard. You don't need to give him 50 merits every time you can, nor prohibit yourself from participating in his campaigns. Although obviously as an autonomous person and merit source you can do whatever you want. But I see all this in a simpler way, and I will not repeat what I have already said about icopress postulation in previous posts in this thread.

That is correct, no evidence was presented to show a correlation exists between being a campaign manager and merit source simultaneously equates to a conflict of interest. Furthermore, exactly what that conflict of interest would be has not been elaborated on.

I guess we could ask the whereabouts of theymos but at the same time we could also ask why the main protagonists that did not support the application by icopress has stopped frequenting in this thread.

I will never use icopress as a signature manager because I am consistent about conflict of interest and would consider it a conflict of interest due to me giving him 50 and soon another 50 merits.

Please quote this.

thank you

You don't see anything unusual here? Because I do. To establish as a general category without exceptions that no campaign manager should be merit source and then give icopress 50 merits as often as you can I see it contradictory and even a bad use of the merit system.

What is the reason why you are giving 50 merits every time you can? Because it should be for his quality posts.

I could also read here that you are using your merit source status to not close the doors to icopress hiring you in the future because of the position you express here.

Not only campaign managers can have a potential conflict of interest if they are appointed merit sources. Campaign participants, like you, do too.

Listen I have mentioned I like icopress and I gave him 50 merits which he can give out as he pleases. once a month is passed I WILL GIVE HIM 50 More merits,but the fact remains no signature person should be a merit source. I know some have said there are signature managers that are merit sources has it occurred to anyone when was the last signature manager appointed as a merit source  or better yet that no signature manager ever became a merit soure. That the dual people were merit sources and asked to be a signature manager.

Ie I am a merit source I want to be a signature manager does anyone want to hire me. Is this the way merit sources became signature managers.

or are there signature managers that added merit source later.

I know that there are supposed to be a few people with dual status .

but I do not know if they are all

source add signature manager.

or signature manager add source.


if none are signature manager add source then theymos is showing us something.

I will give icopress 50 merits once I can.

You are right, it was quite a long time ago indeed, as last time theymos readjusted merit was in June 2021.


Effects of few merit sources leaving the forum are getting to be noticeable. As seen in the Merit Dashboard, monthly merit numbers were usually between 24-27k ever since July 2021 and last month (February 2024), that number dropped down to ~20k, which is the lowest since that latest merit readjustment and if the number continues dropping, I think we might see theymos intervening again.

Yeah, and if it's the post I'm thinking of (which I responded to earlier), the argument was basically that merit sources shouldn't be managing sig campaigns.  Sure, there could potentially be problems with that dual role depending on who the person is but I haven't seen any evidence presented that icopress in particular would take advantage of his position as merit source in some way, and a hypothetical argument like that just doesn't hold any water as far as this application is concerned.

While we're all debating this crap, none of us know what's on Theymos's mind with respect to the merit system, how it's functioning nowadays, and whether new merit sources are needed.  I don't even know when the last merit source was added, but it was probably a long time ago--and if it was recent it was probably to replace one or more sources that dropped out.  It'd be so nice if Big Boss Man would descend from the mountaintop with his tablets and, if not drop some commandments on us, at least give the community a state-of-the-merit-system address.  Curious minds like mine would love to know what's happening.

Yes, I agree with you, I don't really want to say anything about those attention seekers because they won't be successful in their attempts no matter how hard they try. Icopress is a well-deserving member, he has done a lot for the forum, and those who understand his importance will always support him and his application. He's hard-working himself and he support all those members who work hard.

I can say that Icopress is a pure-hearted and a professional person, someone like him will always be recommended by those members who understand his worth. The service Icopress is doing of this forum is appreciate worthy and I will always support his application and I'm very sure that soon Theymos and other high authority members will also consider Icopress's application and make him a merit source. Hope that day will come soon.

Has any reputable member actually made any comment to state or suggest icopress should not be a merit source because they alleged he is incompetent? I read a post from a long time member stating a possible conflict of interest but he did not provide a factual reason icopress should not be considered for merit source.

Other than that, I believe there are a couple of posts from attention seekers (one of whom clearly has ulterior motives to oppose icopress becoming merit source, probably on the basis of being overlooked/rejected when he applied to join campaigns managed by icopress) who have opposed therefore the vast majority of members that have posted in the thread are in favour of his application.

Yes, that's very true, a campaign manager gives enough time to reading posts made by the users who are enrolled in the campaigns that he's managing, and thus it becomes easy for him to notice good posts. And, it's true that such campaign manager can merit all good posts in the campaigns that he's managing and there's nothing wrong in meriting good posts even if you're meriting someone who's part of the campaign that you're managing.

I believe Icopress can do both jobs brilliantly without any issue. We all know how much contribution he's doing on this forum and as a merit source he'll be able to contribute even more by sending merits to the posts that need those merits. I believe Icopress can be one of the best merit sources of this forum and that's why I think Theymos should definitely assigned him as a merit source.

I apologize for the off-topic, but this guy's continual lying bothers me a lot:


No, you did not. You bought this account and then started copy/pasting ChatGPT for your posts. Someone claiming to be the original owner even bothered to protest because your posts are so remarkably bad:


You should absolutely be banned.


 


To bring things back on topic, I am officially endorsing icopress as a merit source and support his application.

Yes, I agree with your counterargument. A campaigner should read all posts made in his campaign very carefully. Many campaigning roles are avoided because his campaign is about campaigning. It's not that they don't see the post, but since they work on the campaign, they should read every post very well. Those who post good quality are already qualified, but for them, this is a golden opportunity from which they can quickly move ahead with qualification.

I am very happy to see your post today. When I came here, the rules were straightforward. I came here in 2013, but my days have been greatly destroyed. Now that my physical condition is a little better, I came back after facing many problems. Had my status not deteriorated, my status on this forum would have been on the side of legend.
There are many rules now, which is a lovely aspect of the forum. Accordingly, good things can still be done in the forum. To become a legend, he needs to have that mindset. No one became a legend in a day in the forum; you have to work for it, only in the right way. It is possible, but it is not possible.
You started your journey in this forum in 2014 and gave everyone a lot of reasonable effort. It is possible because of tireless work. It took you 4 years, but it all depends on his attendance and how active he is. With your help, we will reach a good position ahead.

We already have an active topic on the matter: Should Merit-Sources send merit based on their feelings or quality of the post?

A situation where merits are given regardless of the recipient's rank is simply impossible. And I don't see how that could be considered the original idea of the merit system. We all see each other's rank and the amount of merit we have. And all this information influence the decision of sending merits. Even when a person decides to give merit to someone, he often takes into account who exactly wrote a quality post, and may give more merits to the post written by a newbie, for example, than for the same post written by a legendary, because he believes that making quality posts is harder for a newbie than for someone who is already familiar with forum. Or, on the contrary, a person sends significantly more merits to a hero or legendary, although he does not need them to increase the rank, simply because he thinks that the higher the rank, the more merits the post written by this user deserves. If the idea was to make a merit system independent of rank and the subjective opinion that arises because of the user's rank, then it would be logical to hide the rank. And so it is available to everyone, everybody see the rank of every other user and, of course, it affects the decision to send merits.

Your analysis provides a valuable perspective on the journey to reach Legendary status. It's important that reaching such a milestone requires consistent dedication and a willingness to contribute meaningfully. If one user honestly wants to reach the targeted figure then it will be possible for him but if users can't gather much knowledge about the forum with current news about the cryptocurrency then obviously the users will fail to reach that figure.

Although merits are needed for ranking up, but i think that theymos idea of merit is different from how it is working. Theymos idea of merit does not differentiate a newbie from a legendary member. The merit giver doesn't necessarily need to know the name of the user he is issuing merit to let alone the rank, but strictly on the quality of the post. If a legendary member makes 20 quality posts, those posts could all receive merits while a newbie who made 200 non quality post might not recieve even 1 merit. That is the merit system.

However, the merit sources are not machines, so they have conscience and that is why they see things differently and subjectively. Some at times give priority to newbies while others have high standards and keep recycling the merits among those they think make the quality posts.

Judging merit by its intended function isn't something bad, is it? Of course there's also other acceptable reasons to give merit. When there's an oversupply of something we become less caring about how we spend it. Much like with USD. A car used to be 500 USD. However as governments keep printing more, numbers become meaningless. A handful of people have thousands of merits, which isn't a bad thing really.

The odd thing here is that there's a very distinct lack of new posters with valuable information in this forum. And the question that arises here is if there's good enough reason to justify adding more merit sources if this situation persists.

It implies that you consider merit sources necessary only for the development and encouragement of newbies. But they evaluate other ranks in exactly the same way. And it cannot be said that beginners need merits more than higher ranks. Moreover, the forum does not become a less active and interesting place because there are no motivated newbies writing quality posts. I personally find it more interesting to observe the development of those members who have already walked a certain path here, and who value this experience and skills acquired at the forum. For me it is more important rather than to look for newbies, trying to lure them with merit for some repetitive questions.