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Quote from: Antotena on March 29, 2024, 09:03:20 AM

A person who has a college degree will be the last to consider than a person who has a college degree with a skills because in school, what teach you is theoretical but in job, you do practical. This is what they don't tell many people in schools, it's funny how you see a person with all the degrees but doesn't understand how to use a Microsoft word and Microsoft excel skills, these are the basics skills that matter.

Indeed. A degree is necessary, however if you don't have the skills that the company is looking for to their applicants, then there's a low chance that you'll get hired. But it doesn't mean education is not the priority, because nowadays it is still crucial for people to be able to land for a better job. It's just that, you have to use what you learned to gain a specific skills that you can use to gain.

Education is not sufficient to become wealthy, it's just a stepping stone. It is still depends on us on how we're going to use these learnings to acquire skills for our own benefit for long term.

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Quote from: ringgo96 on March 27, 2024, 06:11:16 PM

For me graduates are not the key to becoming rich, because currently there are so many graduates who are unemployed because they don't develop skills in their respective fields, and the ones who become entrepreneurs nowadays are mostly people who don't have a university diploma, so everyone it depends on convincing each of us and being willing to try to find change.

In developed countries, it’s even better because some students will be having good practicals before they graduate and will secure job immediately after graduating from school. While in under developed countries, your degree cannot guarantee you a good paying job, in fact, a craftsman is even better since they can use their experience to earn a leaving, and if you have good skills and some creativities, you can use them and drop your degree certificate for future purposes.

There is no doubt that education is important, and it is a good factor that helps in developing countries, but having a degree cannot guarantee you a good job, you need extra skills to survive that is why young guys are venturing into tech.

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Quote from: boty on March 29, 2024, 05:50:20 AM

When someone starts their business with an educational history, of course they will be able to find relationships that will be able to make the business we run have good potential for the future, but this really depends on the business we are going to build, as you said if we build For small businesses, of course we only need capital that is appropriate for the business we are going to build.
Having a bachelor's degree will of course give us good opportunities in anything if we can do it according to the abilities we have and I agree with you that if we don't currently have a bachelor's degree, of course we are behind the times and we have missed many opportunities.

definitely, there's just simply too much thing to be missed if we don't pursue education at least having bachelor degree is already sufficient enough no need to get master degree and so on it already gives us opportunity that we never have before, even more so if we are coming from reputable university thats a huge plus point that boost our credibility seeking job would be easy if we are trying to build career as an employee.
regardless doesn't mean that people that doesn't have any degree won't survive they will but with so much limitation, if anyone interested to take on the challange feel free to take it head on, but just know that having proper education does help a lot if you ever feel to live easier life.

Quote from: ringgo96 on March 27, 2024, 06:11:16 PM

For me graduates are not the key to becoming rich, because currently there are so many graduates who are unemployed because they don't develop skills in their respective fields, and the ones who become entrepreneurs nowadays are mostly people who don't have a university diploma, so everyone it depends on convincing each of us and being willing to try to find change.

depends on the scale of entrepreneur that such person is building if its great scale talking about multi million dollar and beyond, degree might do good, at least to raise funding.

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Quote from: Antotena on March 29, 2024, 09:03:20 AM

A college or university degree is not just to be used for government jobs, in fact many companies require many more of degree than the government because in some descipline, you just need a degree to survive the competition like the engineering descipline, the banking sector, the industrial companies and many more but skills is something both a graduate and non graduate need to acquire, you can add it a supplement to your cv when looking got a work and it will help as an advantage.

A person who has a college degree will be the last to consider than a person who has a college degree with a skills because in school, what teach you is theoretical but in job, you do practical. This is what they don't tell many people in schools, it's funny how you see a person with all the degrees but doesn't understand how to use a Microsoft word and Microsoft excel skills, these are the basics skills that matter.

No one is denying that college degree is must for corporate sectors like banks, industries and others. We live today in an interconnected world where everyone is free to communicate with rest of the world. Today we have freelance industry where large number of people are working remotely and they are boss of there own. There is no requirement of college degree if you are planning to move to such sectors but for other sectors which you mentioned - a college degree is must.

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Quote from: WatChe on March 26, 2024, 10:19:41 AM

A college or university degree is necessary for government job but in private sector jobs skills are the focus rather then degrees. These days trends are changing frequently and what we learn during our graduation is how to adopt with changing trends. Like most of us graduated even before Bitcoin was launched but we have sound knowledge of it since we can use our basic knowledge to explore this new technology. If you don't go for college degree and just master a skill instead then you won't be able to adopt to upcoming new technologies.

A college or university degree is not just to be used for government jobs, in fact many companies require many more of degree than the government because in some descipline, you just need a degree to survive the competition like the engineering descipline, the banking sector, the industrial companies and many more but skills is something both a graduate and non graduate need to acquire, you can add it a supplement to your cv when looking got a work and it will help as an advantage.

A person who has a college degree will be the last to consider than a person who has a college degree with a skills because in school, what teach you is theoretical but in job, you do practical. This is what they don't tell many people in schools, it's funny how you see a person with all the degrees but doesn't understand how to use a Microsoft word and Microsoft excel skills, these are the basics skills that matter.

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Quote from: poodle63 on March 27, 2024, 10:04:24 PM

arguably, having good degree increase the odds of success, personally though I believe that if you want to start a business having degree means you're reliable in the eyes of investor, i mean its different if its small business where you can start it up using your own capital but talking about big business with series of funding round definitely necessary to have a degree even more so thats coming from ivy league.
I don't believe you will get much credibility starting out a business without a degree, some people link degree with trust and reputation so there's that.
but sure its not the key to become rich considering there are simply too many graduates right now that it simply become the norm to have at least bachelor degree.
but at least it gives us opportunity like most other people are having because having no degree nowadays means you're outlier and missing out big time on many opportunities.

When someone starts their business with an educational history, of course they will be able to find relationships that will be able to make the business we run have good potential for the future, but this really depends on the business we are going to build, as you said if we build For small businesses, of course we only need capital that is appropriate for the business we are going to build.
Having a bachelor's degree will of course give us good opportunities in anything if we can do it according to the abilities we have and I agree with you that if we don't currently have a bachelor's degree, of course we are behind the times and we have missed many opportunities.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on March 26, 2024, 11:13:50 AM

What make people rich is their idea and solution they had to a problem and not their qualification, i graduate who cannot drive a car, repair a device or even perform a crucial task that will serve as a solution in tackling against any problem, his certificate without physical experience is nothing, people employ who can delivers, that is why it is very important to develop a personal skill upon the educational qualification we are having in other to broadens our opportunity chances for better things in life.

For me graduates are not the key to becoming rich, because currently there are so many graduates who are unemployed because they don't develop skills in their respective fields, and the ones who become entrepreneurs nowadays are mostly people who don't have a university diploma, so everyone it depends on convincing each of us and being willing to try to find change.

arguably, having good degree increase the odds of success, personally though I believe that if you want to start a business having degree means you're reliable in the eyes of investor, i mean its different if its small business where you can start it up using your own capital but talking about big business with series of funding round definitely necessary to have a degree even more so thats coming from ivy league.
I don't believe you will get much credibility starting out a business without a degree, some people link degree with trust and reputation so there's that.
but sure its not the key to become rich considering there are simply too many graduates right now that it simply become the norm to have at least bachelor degree.
but at least it gives us opportunity like most other people are having because having no degree nowadays means you're outlier and missing out big time on many opportunities.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on March 26, 2024, 11:13:50 AM

What make people rich is their idea and solution they had to a problem and not their qualification, i graduate who cannot drive a car, repair a device or even perform a crucial task that will serve as a solution in tackling against any problem, his certificate without physical experience is nothing, people employ who can delivers, that is why it is very important to develop a personal skill upon the educational qualification we are having in other to broadens our opportunity chances for better things in life.

For me graduates are not the key to becoming rich, because currently there are so many graduates who are unemployed because they don't develop skills in their respective fields, and the ones who become entrepreneurs nowadays are mostly people who don't have a university diploma, so everyone it depends on convincing each of us and being willing to try to find change.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on March 26, 2024, 11:13:50 AM

What make people rich is their idea and solution they had to a problem and not their qualification, i graduate who cannot drive a car, repair a device or even perform a crucial task that will serve as a solution in tackling against any problem, his certificate without physical experience is nothing, people employ who can delivers, that is why it is very important to develop a personal skill upon the educational qualification we are having in other to broadens our opportunity chances for better things in life.

People grow rich in various ways. If anybody still intends to get wealthy through education, that person has a lot to learn because things have changed. Educated individuals are growing too numerous, and few are truly using themselves well. Making money off of their ideas, and what irritates me is that they prefer to work rather than be their own boss. And that is how people make money: they obtain solutions and get paid for delivering them. But we don't want to think outside of the box. And, while not everyone will become wealthy, there is a method for us to keep ourselves active while still earning money. In addition to what you said even with our educational qualification we should find a way of learning a skill. After that qualification you need a job to sustain your self. Or like wise the skill depends on the one your doing. Staying idle waiting for a white coat job is not the best.

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Quote from: Princess Leah on February 22, 2024, 05:06:03 PM

ahh, who says getting degrees can make any person wealthy no it's a big lie as until we don't have skills that we can implement to make money we stay poor even if we have many degrees. let's say one person is doing Bs in Computer Science but he has no grip on any programming language so his degree is just a piece of paper for him until he is not learning at demanded programming language his degree will never return him any reward. I don't mean to say that we should not focus on only getting a degree but we should also focus on getting a grip on programming skills so that at the end of the day we can see the real value of the degree we have got.

Besides this Some also think that getting high grades will also help to make them successful person in life haha it is also a thing out of reality. well, Let's suppose one is getting high grades in education and one has a good grip on his skill what do you think which one is better? the one who has a good grip on skills so this is the best thing if we focus on getting a good grip along the degree we are doing. That's all.

If we do try to look the unemployment rate of each country then there would really be significant percentages on how many people or graduates who had been ended up on getting unemployed on the time that they do graduated which it did really just that prove out that this isnt something a guarantee that it would really be making you wealthy. Come to see and think that there are even to those graduates who had ended up into those works or jobs that it isnt really that getting in line with their course or interest but since they dont really have any options then they would really be needing to dive in despite of having that less interest but
since they dont really have that choice and this is why they would really be that trying to deal on it temporarily.

This is why on the time that you do graduated then on the time that you do get some job then it would be wise that you should really be looking for some other path to take like investment or business
so that if you do have plans on having that better life in terms of money or financial then this step is something that could bring out or give that kind of chance but
of course its not something guaranteed but at least you do took up some shot.

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Quote from: Princess Leah on February 22, 2024, 05:06:03 PM

ahh, who says getting degrees can make any person wealthy no it's a big lie as until we don't have skills that we can implement to make money we stay poor even if we have many degrees. let's say one person is doing Bs in Computer Science but he has no grip on any programming language so his degree is just a piece of paper for him until he is not learning at demanded programming language his degree will never return him any reward. I don't mean to say that we should not focus on only getting a degree but we should also focus on getting a grip on programming skills so that at the end of the day we can see the real value of the degree we have got.

Besides this Some also think that getting high grades will also help to make them successful person in life haha it is also a thing out of reality. well, Let's suppose one is getting high grades in education and one has a good grip on his skill what do you think which one is better? the one who has a good grip on skills so this is the best thing if we focus on getting a good grip along the degree we are doing. That's all.

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Quote from: WatChe on March 26, 2024, 10:19:41 AM

Quote from: Mame89 on March 12, 2024, 05:23:56 PM

Agree. Graduation is a different matter, it indicates that he has studied. so that graduation can bring you closer to possible success. To be successful you have to go through college, this is also not certain. There are many paths to success, one of which is graduation. In a more global context, the meaning of success itself is too broad, it is not always money, a doctor who chooses to serve in a remote area, lives simply, can benefit other people with his knowledge, this could also be wealth for them in their life journey.

But on the other hand, I also really agree with art/design or programming jobs, because they learn without having formal education or having graduated but can still be self-taught. because currently there are lots of them scattered on YouTube, Udemy, Coursera, etc., especially in the digital era like now. But there are some jobs that I think require at least some appropriate formal education, especially in healthcare or engineering for safety reasons. However, of all things, the most basic thing to achieve success is hard work and not giving up easily.

A college or university degree is necessary for government job but in private sector jobs skills are the focus rather then degrees. These days trends are changing frequently and what we learn during our graduation is how to adopt with changing trends. Like most of us graduated even before Bitcoin was launched but we have sound knowledge of it since we can use our basic knowledge to explore this new technology. If you don't go for college degree and just master a skill instead then you won't be able to adopt to upcoming new technologies.

Here in our country on which it is really that something that would be the same in speaking about qualifications on which the requirement would really be high degree holder on which having no education or degree
would really be put you up in the end of the line and this is why it would really be something that you would be needed for you to be able to live and this is why it would really be better that you should be considering on finishing up your studies before tending to dive into other ventures on which we know that getting a day job is already that a tough challenge then how much more if you cant be able to make yourself
landing a job and tending to have a business or investment. How you would do that?

You would really be needing to have a good start up and would be having that slow climbing up to the top but of course you should set realistic goals and targets in life.
Dont rush up yourself and doing things slowly.

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Is there anywhere it is stated that being a graduate is the key of being wealthy? I have not found this anywhere apart from the old days norm of thinking that life was all about graduating from school and be gainfully employed. This mindset made many graduates unemployable because their knowledge is so limited and their thinking distorted.

Being a graduate does not guarantee that one will be wealthy and most of the wealthiest people I know only attended university after they are already rich. They built their wealth through businesses they started without the knowledge of formal education. Education only exposes the individual to the opportunities, help you with the skill and wisdom to recognize and manage the opportunities but it does not guarantee that the individual will be wealthy. Being wealthy is a combination of many factors and university education is just a part of it.

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What make people rich is their idea and solution they had to a problem and not their qualification, i graduate who cannot drive a car, repair a device or even perform a crucial task that will serve as a solution in tackling against any problem, his certificate without physical experience is nothing, people employ who can delivers, that is why it is very important to develop a personal skill upon the educational qualification we are having in other to broadens our opportunity chances for better things in life.

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Quote from: Mame89 on March 12, 2024, 05:23:56 PM

Agree. Graduation is a different matter, it indicates that he has studied. so that graduation can bring you closer to possible success. To be successful you have to go through college, this is also not certain. There are many paths to success, one of which is graduation. In a more global context, the meaning of success itself is too broad, it is not always money, a doctor who chooses to serve in a remote area, lives simply, can benefit other people with his knowledge, this could also be wealth for them in their life journey.

But on the other hand, I also really agree with art/design or programming jobs, because they learn without having formal education or having graduated but can still be self-taught. because currently there are lots of them scattered on YouTube, Udemy, Coursera, etc., especially in the digital era like now. But there are some jobs that I think require at least some appropriate formal education, especially in healthcare or engineering for safety reasons. However, of all things, the most basic thing to achieve success is hard work and not giving up easily.

A college or university degree is necessary for government job but in private sector jobs skills are the focus rather then degrees. These days trends are changing frequently and what we learn during our graduation is how to adopt with changing trends. Like most of us graduated even before Bitcoin was launched but we have sound knowledge of it since we can use our basic knowledge to explore this new technology. If you don't go for college degree and just master a skill instead then you won't be able to adopt to upcoming new technologies.

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Sure thing! I believe one of the most essential things to remember is that your degree does not determine who you are. While it may be a useful starting stone, it is not the only aspect that counts. Your talents, perspective, and will to continue learning and improving are all equally crucial. Even those with degrees and formal educations frequently need to learn new things during their careers. New technologies, shifting trends, and growing sectors all require lifelong learning to be relevant and competitive in today's society. In reality, specialists believe that the half-life of knowledge is decreasing, which means that the information we gain today may only be useful for a few years. This emphasizes the need of cultivating a curious and adaptable mentality.

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Quote from: TEBTC on March 23, 2024, 10:11:25 AM

Education is just you going to school and being trained in a field for you to become a expect in any area of interest
So any one who did not go to a formal school to be a educated and given a certificate of attendance but have educated him/ her self in a skill or productive venture and start making money
Infact in my opinion the person who has used four years in learning trade or skill is equal to the graduate who also used four years going to the University
Education is not the key to success because your not thought how to make money in school but your being thought theories that sometimes you may not even use after school

In essence, going to school or even college certainly does not guarantee that someone will become rich, but by being educated, someone is already good at reading, calculating and writing so that they are able to master the world in a fundamental way, after that, if someone goes to university then there character is formed and it makes us become a scientist thanks to the theory and practice provided by the lecturer. So it must be admitted that even though we have taken a higher level of education, we do not necessarily become rich, but the opportunity to achieve our dreams is also more open if we have studied.

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There are many factors that drive wealth such as education, character, information, energy to do, passion, perverance, endurance, patience, skills, opportunity and consistency in ideas that will bring positive impact and value to the society.

These things drive wealth? Or are you trying to say that these things are important to allow a person to make wealth?

Education will get your the degree but the skills are important, if the person is passionate about that they will excel in it with the proper education and the required skills. Having the above qualities will further allow them to run it for the long term and become successful their way of living.

Also the big names in tech and all maybe dropped education, but they are exceptions and thus should not be taken as the rule.

You know. I have been following some left wing independent media outlets and they have lately talked about the myth of wealth creation of those who have managed to become rich in previous years and those who have managed to do it recently. It is true there have been some people who worked their hard way towards becoming successful company owners, completely from the ground up. But those left media outlets say most of the current billionaires and millionaires are done because of the inheritance they get from their parents, they did not actually have to work for what they have.

Education and discipline surely helps to live a life with dignity, but does not mean one is going to be a millionaire anytime soon.

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Education is just you going to school and being trained in a field for you to become a expect in any area of interest
So any one who did not go to a formal school to be a educated and given a certificate of attendance but have educated him/ her self in a skill or productive venture and start making money
Infact in my opinion the person who has used four years in learning trade or skill is equal to the graduate who also used four years going to the University
Education is not the key to success because your not thought how to make money in school but your being thought theories that sometimes you may not even use after school

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Quote from: Neobanks on March 14, 2024, 09:17:41 PM

There are many factors that drive wealth such as education, character, information, energy to do, passion, perverance, endurance, patience, skills, opportunity and consistency in ideas that will bring positive impact and value to the society.

These things drive wealth? Or are you trying to say that these things are important to allow a person to make wealth?

Education will get your the degree but the skills are important, if the person is passionate about that they will excel in it with the proper education and the required skills. Having the above qualities will further allow them to run it for the long term and become successful their way of living.

Also the big names in tech and all maybe dropped education, but they are exceptions and thus should not be taken as the rule.

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