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Quote from: jonathan6655321 on September 07, 2018, 03:49:53 AM

If the stocks market will crash again like 2008, what will happen to bitcoin?
I personally think that people will take their money out and will invest it somewhere else.

Do you think that bitcoin will be a good alternative?

If stocks market crash again like 2008, i am believe bitcoin become safe haven and many investor coming to cryptomarket. We know at that time, gold price reach almost $2000 and i think if stocks market crash again, it will bring cryptomarket bullish

That is a possible scenario because if the stock market breaks down, it can prove that the market is no longer a safe place to invest and develop assets, investors will move and look for a better option, which could be the crypto and bitcoin markets. However, this possibility is probably not high because when the collapse of the stock market appeared, many people will lose a lot of money, the economy will affect and lead to other markets will also gloomy and fall into the deep hole

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Bitcoin can't be considered as a good alternative for investments, huge investors don't like huge risks, 1% movement is a lot for them and it happens daily on bitcoin. It can even decrease by 10% or rise the same in one day. Also there are a lot of plans to recover from market crashes but just imagine why will stock holders invest money in bitcoin? It's a question of doubt but I highly believe that won't happen.
Btw if they would invest in bitcoin in 2008 year, it would be a huge success for them.

It's not as bad as you think it is. Investors can and likely will go by allocating 1-5% of their portfolio to Bitcoin in order to hedge risks of the traditional market. It's the best way to move forward, especially in today's world.

The stock market is boiling around all time high levels with insane valuation ratios. Historically, the traditional market doesn't keep going up endlessly. It cycles through various phases and the next one is the correction.

It probably will result in a bear market lasting a year or two at the very least. The stock market is really a ticking time bomb as we speak, and it's waiting for the first institutions to unload billions worth of stocks triggering a domino effect.

Indeed, I do think more investors might start to see cryptocurrency investments as a relative safe haven, if the stock market experiences another severe crash.
With how things are going currently, I wouldn't be too surprised if we witnessed another big crash soon.

Turkey's currency is about to collapse and a lot of European countries rely on a strong Lira.

After that, there will be a domino effect taking more nations with it.

Hasn't the lira been shit for years?

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If the stock market will crash, no one will invest in the market nor into cryptocurrencies. Only those who are able to stand despite the loss will remain in the market. Though I think that the stock market will not crash, it may struggle but will not crash.

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Quote from: shield132 on September 12, 2018, 04:25:59 PM

Bitcoin can't be considered as a good alternative for investments, huge investors don't like huge risks, 1% movement is a lot for them and it happens daily on bitcoin. It can even decrease by 10% or rise the same in one day. Also there are a lot of plans to recover from market crashes but just imagine why will stock holders invest money in bitcoin? It's a question of doubt but I highly believe that won't happen.
Btw if they would invest in bitcoin in 2008 year, it would be a huge success for them.

It's not as bad as you think it is. Investors can and likely will go by allocating 1-5% of their portfolio to Bitcoin in order to hedge risks of the traditional market. It's the best way to move forward, especially in today's world.

The stock market is boiling around all time high levels with insane valuation ratios. Historically, the traditional market doesn't keep going up endlessly. It cycles through various phases and the next one is the correction.

It probably will result in a bear market lasting a year or two at the very least. The stock market is really a ticking time bomb as we speak, and it's waiting for the first institutions to unload billions worth of stocks triggering a domino effect.

Indeed, I do think more investors might start to see cryptocurrency investments as a relative safe haven, if the stock market experiences another severe crash.
With how things are going currently, I wouldn't be too surprised if we witnessed another big crash soon.

Turkey's currency is about to collapse and a lot of European countries rely on a strong Lira.

After that, there will be a domino effect taking more nations with it.

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Quote from: jonathan6655321 on September 07, 2018, 03:49:53 AM

If the stocks market will crash again like 2008, what will happen to bitcoin?
I personally think that people will take their money out and will invest it somewhere else.

Do you think that bitcoin will be a good alternative?

Let me give you an example from real days. Venezuela is in crisis. Their national currency depreciated very much, so many people bought bitcoins and they didn't look. that bitcoin fell or rose, they knew that their currency would fall faster.
Iran, if I am not mistaken, is also experiencing a weakening of the national currency, and as always, people began to buy bitcoins to save their savings. Of course, many of these people were looking for a way out of buying euros and dollars. But as an alternative bitcoin can also act in such cases.

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The crash in the economy could lead to it being unstable. And there is no guarantee that people will jump to cryptocurrencies in general. Maybe for some but I think many would fear the crash in terms of value or price and because cryptocurrency like bitcoin is connected to prices in dollars it coukd happen that maybe some will just withdraw from cryptocurency as well.

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Quote from: biskitop on September 13, 2018, 08:51:21 PM

we certainly don't expect that to happen, when crypto grows but has to drop stocks. because of the presentation of crypto investors and stock investors, there are still many stock investors from both the amount and the value. if the stock falls, the global economy will also be affected.

There might be no strong connection with this two market but maybe people will switch in cryptomarket, if the crash is so hard for stock market then some investors will try their luck here. I'm investing in stock market for years now, and for me I will go here if there's another stock market crash bitcoin I know cryptomarket will make a good trend compare to stocks.

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Thats a very good question. If it was 3-4 years ago i would say rize or nothing would happen to it. But today when bitcoin and other cryptos are integrated into economy, big exchanges, lots of multi billion dollar projects to a certain extent. It will be hard to predict, but probably it would be affected.

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Bitcoin would take a ginormous shit.

If your relatively speculative move on the stock market turns into a disaster the very last thing you're going to do is switch to an extremely speculative move with Bitcoin. And if you already own some the chances are you'll dump and run.

It's at least a decade or three before it can ever be considered any type of safe haven by a reasonable number of people. It's had the luxury of coming up during an unbroken generalised bull run. That'll be tested some day and the sooner it is the messier it'll be.

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Stock markets are often reacting to interest rates on plain cash and also bond returns. We still have outstanding Quantitative easing programs then have not been settled and this is true for Europe, Japan and many countries including USA.

If stocks are crashing its likely from a feared contraction in money supply which could indicate a stronger dollar. Currently in 2018 we have seen USD is not declining as it did in 2017. That whole dynamic helped Bitcoin to become far more popular I think, as its also globally traded and a feasible alternative to USD for cross national transfer

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Quote from: jonathan6655321 on September 07, 2018, 03:49:53 AM

If the stocks market will crash again like 2008, what will happen to bitcoin?
I personally think that people will take their money out and will invest it somewhere else.

Do you think that bitcoin will be a good alternative?

I believe the stock market has a big influence on every other markets.
If the stock market crashed, crypto market would go down too. I do not know whether bitcoin is still a good investment during that time.

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we certainly don't expect that to happen, when crypto grows but has to drop stocks. because of the presentation of crypto investors and stock investors, there are still many stock investors from both the amount and the value. if the stock falls, the global economy will also be affected.

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Quote from: jonathan6655321 on September 07, 2018, 03:49:53 AM

If the stocks market will crash again like 2008, what will happen to bitcoin?
I personally think that people will take their money out and will invest it somewhere else.

Do you think that bitcoin will be a good alternative?

If stocks market crash again like 2008, i am believe bitcoin become safe haven and many investor coming to cryptomarket. We know at that time, gold price reach almost $2000 and i think if stocks market crash again, it will bring cryptomarket bullish

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Quote from: BitHodler on September 12, 2018, 06:45:11 PM

Quote from: shield132 on September 12, 2018, 04:25:59 PM

Bitcoin can't be considered as a good alternative for investments, huge investors don't like huge risks, 1% movement is a lot for them and it happens daily on bitcoin. It can even decrease by 10% or rise the same in one day. Also there are a lot of plans to recover from market crashes but just imagine why will stock holders invest money in bitcoin? It's a question of doubt but I highly believe that won't happen.
Btw if they would invest in bitcoin in 2008 year, it would be a huge success for them.

It's not as bad as you think it is. Investors can and likely will go by allocating 1-5% of their portfolio to Bitcoin in order to hedge risks of the traditional market. It's the best way to move forward, especially in today's world.

The stock market is boiling around all time high levels with insane valuation ratios. Historically, the traditional market doesn't keep going up endlessly. It cycles through various phases and the next one is the correction.

It probably will result in a bear market lasting a year or two at the very least. The stock market is really a ticking time bomb as we speak, and it's waiting for the first institutions to unload billions worth of stocks triggering a domino effect.

I think this is the most sensible response so far. Investors are driven by one thing - Yield. Right now the Dow Jones is like a slot machine that just keeps paying out and investors will keep pumping in money while that yield is there. One thing is for sure though, that run will end and investors will stop playing that game and look elsewhere for yield. If interest rates don't rise - they were near zero after the 2008 crash - they may turn to crypto to make money. I don't think bitcoin is a natural hedge to the stock market though and rather than look to a crash as a catalyst to price rise I would rather sees its value increase because it has utility and people are spending it instead of fiat.

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Quote from: r32godzilla on September 12, 2018, 02:08:54 PM

Quote from: jonathan6655321 on September 07, 2018, 03:49:53 AM

If the stocks market will crash again like 2008, what will happen to bitcoin?
I personally think that people will take their money out and will invest it somewhere else.

Do you think that bitcoin will be a good alternative?

Even though bitcoin has proved to be a high ROI giving asset,still we could see more investors stuck with stock exchangesand not willing to leave traditional investments.But if stock market crash happens,then they would definitely rethink and decide to buy bitcoins.

This is very common, people feel comfortable with stocks and with gold because those kind of investments have been around for a very long time, bitcoin is new and they do not really understand it so they do not want to invest in this market when they are making so much profits with the traditional markets, but once a crisis strikes they will have no option but to look for other investments to try to store their value and to obtain profits.

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I think crypto currencies are not at all related with the stock market and they never will be as long as there is no bridge between them and the stocks. I mean it is okay to say if any company that is stock listed is going to make investment into the crypto and then if it is making the prices move but as such if the stocks are crashing or going up then it makes no direct or indirect relationship with the crypto at all so that it can affect it at all. Stocks are just different stuff and they all are dependent upon the real world movements and what companies are doing in the market. If they crash then they crash all because of the performance and international trades etc. So they may not affect the crypto at all.

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Quote from: jonathan6655321 on September 07, 2018, 03:49:53 AM

If the stocks market will crash again like 2008, what will happen to bitcoin?

I can assure you that the bitcoin protocol has no problems. What is creating tension is the price volatility. The usefulness of bitcoin is not even fully tapped because the focus now is whales and bulls and bears. Yet we hear of mass adoptions.

https://www.ccn.com/a-billion-people-will-be-using-cryptocurrency-in-5-years-brian-armstrong/

You can see the trend things are going with bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

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Quote from: Pursuer on September 07, 2018, 04:03:24 AM

bitcoin is not yet mature enough for investors to be considered a solid place to go because of its extreme volatility and the unpredictable nature of it. but at the same time it has been one of the investment options among investors for a while now.
so it would be reasonable assumption to think in case of a market crash elsewhere, the investors shift some part of their investment into bitcoin specially those who are already diversifying using bitcoin as an additional option.

Certainly and I do not expect any serious big time investor to want to play that card to that level when they know the decentralized nature of cryptocurrency on its own can really is a volatile craze of the market. However, I believe things will change over time and people will get to see the bigger picture. It is an unpredictable world but I still believe more focus will be on the likes of gold which has always been an asset in terms of safe haven for moments like this.

Nevertheless, I want to believe only time can tell how the crypto space will eventually turn out.

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Quote from: eaglewhite80 on September 08, 2018, 02:06:37 AM

Maybe and just maybe with the ETF approval, we might see investors rushing into the market in the case where stocks dives into the horrific zone. For now, there may still be a lot of skepticism when it comes to the crypto market and I am sure other physical assets would be the target in that case. I believe in the long run, this would surely be one other well known spot or safe haven for investors but we ain't there yet.

I am sure there is a reason that so many financial institutions are pressing to get ETFs approved. The stock market has been in one of the longest bull markets in history and many experts believe we will see stock market correction. The reason why it has lasted so long is also rooted in the monetary policies, quantitative easing, record creation of depth. At some point this must fall apart. Financial institutions need to find alternative assets if that scenario comes to play. The question is if a stock market crash will lead a lot of investors to move to crypto or rather traditional assets as gold and other precious metals.

Maybe many investors well get attracted on the current price of crypto today, because we experience a huge pump last December 2017 so then of we are going to put basis on that price before we can maybe say that many investors will go to buy on it today for good. We can maybe. Say that bitcoin will soon rise and we can get a profit on it. I believe that many investors are now being attract on the price.

Yes that makes sense, we are sometimes biased to believe that everyone in crypto is desperate or on the verge of loosing hope of a recovery as most people got burned. But this is only true for the ones that came late and did not take profits. At the same time new investors are waiting on the sidelines and to enter the market. The ban of social media and Google limited the access to new audiences but institutional investors do not care about these things.

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I think that you supposition is wrong because the crypto market is relatively small to absorb enough much money so institutional investors and big money will look for another attractive assets instead of crypto ones. It may be precious metals (gold, silver), foreign currencies (JPY, CHF), government bonds (US treasures) and something other. What bout crypto assets, I am sure that this year will be bearish till the end and we will not see any strong uptrend long time.

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