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However, when they cannot control themselves, such as being unable to control their greed or impatience, it is likely that they will continue to gamble even though they have experienced a losing streak in gambling. and of course that is something that can make them experience stress, because with defeats that will occur more often it can make them receive excessive pressure, in fact in my opinion don't wait for old age, even if you are already married, I think they should try to can stop gambling so they don't experience financial difficulties, especially if they do have financial problems, that doesn't mean gambling is the solution to their financial problems.

Sometimes I think that there are some players who try to win even though things are very against them and that is stubbornness, I don't see it well because it is harmful to play like that to try to win after having had a streak of losing. quite heavy, it is something that I do not share, however each person is the owner of their money and each one has our own things to do, due to those circumstances that we decide to do other types of things, sometimes it is better to go away and rest for a long time, or maybe one day, a week, then go play with a calmer mind and play without seeking revenge or something similar, it is the best, this way you avoid spending a lot of money and obviously putting in money that you are willing to lose.
Yes, that's right, those who still try to play when they have lost are probably stubborn people because they keep forcing themselves to play, in fact those who are like this may have their minds completely dominated by gambling so even if they lose they don't see it, which they see only that they can win big in one of the gambling games they do but they are not sure whether it will happen or not and they don't know when. Those who bet continuously without stopping are indeed our right because we have the money, but there have been many cases of those who continue to force themselves to gamble, they could end up using other people's money, by borrowing or even worse, stealing when they have run out of their own money. this could be an act carried out driven by his or her addiction.
It's true what you say, sometimes it's better to stop and go away from gambling to rest, rest the thoughts that must be taken so that careless actions don't occur which can result in big losses which honestly shouldn't happen, but the feeling of wanting to win or wanting revenge cannot be hidden. The grudge is definitely there and is an incentive to continue gambling.
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Some people don't even realize how interesting other hobbies can be. The main thing here is to try and discover something new for yourself, but I would base everything on what can be beneficial for us in the future. This could be sports training or cycling, or something that is related to mental development but at the same time brings us pleasure.

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having a hobby other than gambling is something that gamblers need to do to divert their focus from gambling, especially when they lose. as you said, gamblers can look for their hobbies such as cycling, sports, or playing games. because from my experience when we lose gambling, playing games is a very good thing to divert our focus from gambling, games like gta or other games that are not competitive, that can be a gambler's choice. it will not only divert the gambler's attention from wanting to play again, but it can also improve their mood after they lose at gambling.
I don't see gambling as an hobby when we should focus on other things that would be of a great help to our skill building. If we take gambling as an hobby, it could make us to become gambling addicted and this could have a serious effects on us. Gambling should be an activity we seldomly participate in to make extra cash. If the aim is not yet achieved at such time, we can look for other ways to get fund but not to keep trying to the extent than to become over curious to take our money back from gambling. Gambling is meant for adult, people that can control their emotions so they don't finally have to go back with the urge to get their money back.
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having a hobby other than gambling is something that gamblers need to do to divert their focus from gambling, especially when they lose. as you said, gamblers can look for their hobbies such as cycling, sports, or playing games. because from my experience when we lose gambling, playing games is a very good thing to divert our focus from gambling, games like gta or other games that are not competitive, that can be a gambler's choice. it will not only divert the gambler's attention from wanting to play again, but it can also improve their mood after they lose at gambling.
Indeed, there are people who gamble with the alibi of being a hobby or for fun, but in reality they have experienced a lot of losses and of course if that is the case, it is no longer just for fun but they really want the winnings they can get. Even though if you say it's a hobby, of course there are many other hobbies that you can do and it is also less risky than gambling, but for those who can't control themselves and become addicted to gambling, they hide it for fun or just as a hobby.

If indeed gambling has ended in defeat then the best thing to do is stop at all costs, whether it's doing something else such as playing games or doing sports, but what is clear is not to prolong a gambling session that has already ended. because many cases have occurred and I think this can be a lesson for us not to gamble excessively.
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Some people don't even realize how interesting other hobbies can be. The main thing here is to try and discover something new for yourself, but I would base everything on what can be beneficial for us in the future. This could be sports training or cycling, or something that is related to mental development but at the same time brings us pleasure.

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having a hobby other than gambling is something that gamblers need to do to divert their focus from gambling, especially when they lose. as you said, gamblers can look for their hobbies such as cycling, sports, or playing games. because from my experience when we lose gambling, playing games is a very good thing to divert our focus from gambling, games like gta or other games that are not competitive, that can be a gambler's choice. it will not only divert the gambler's attention from wanting to play again, but it can also improve their mood after they lose at gambling.
It’s cool that you mentioned a game like GTA, because I played it once and if we touched on this topic to calm the nerves and distract from gambling, then I would recommend The Witcher 3. Some may think that distractions by computer games are nonsense, but it’s better if a person went outside and did something negative after a loss, it’s better to do it in a computer game to let off steam and cool down after losses. But we must not forget that real life is still more interesting and it is not worth immersing yourself there for many months in my opinion, a couple of weeks will do for relaxation.

Some people don't even realize how interesting other hobbies can be. The main thing here is to try and discover something new for yourself, but I would base everything on what can be beneficial for us in the future. This could be sports training or cycling, or something that is related to mental development but at the same time brings us pleasure. It’s just that gambling probably to some extent implies that the player is lazy, he creates for himself the illusion that he will make money from the game and will only press one button. And if we tell him that nothing will come of it, he won’t even want to listen to us. Only after he is convinced and has lost a sufficient amount will he begin to listen to our words, and not every player is capable of this. Therefore, if you have lost the best thing, stop and listen.
That's why they still use gambling to have fun and not thinks that the other activities can gives the fun for them. They will not wants to try a new thing that can gives entertainment and pleasure and only thinks that gambling is the one thing that they must do to have fun. Yes, that can related to their mental development and if they don't wants to realizes about something bad that already happens to them, they will gets deeper in gambling and no one can helps them if they don't open their minds. They will not stops from playing gambling if they lose instead just to keeps playing gambling because they thinks that they don't have the other things that can makes them busy. They will lose more money without realizing that can makes them gets addicted to gambling and it's difficult to makes them realizes.
You just need to think more broadly and not limit yourself to gambling. I feel sorry for those who have only one such hobby, because life is interesting and you need to try yourself in other areas. I'm sure many gamblers have excellent potential to realize themselves, but they don't yet know where exactly. They need to make an effort and find themselves, otherwise no one will do it for them.
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However, when they cannot control themselves, such as being unable to control their greed or impatience, it is likely that they will continue to gamble even though they have experienced a losing streak in gambling. and of course that is something that can make them experience stress, because with defeats that will occur more often it can make them receive excessive pressure, in fact in my opinion don't wait for old age, even if you are already married, I think they should try to can stop gambling so they don't experience financial difficulties, especially if they do have financial problems, that doesn't mean gambling is the solution to their financial problems.

Sometimes I think that there are some players who try to win even though things are very against them and that is stubbornness, I don't see it well because it is harmful to play like that to try to win after having had a streak of losing. quite heavy, it is something that I do not share, however each person is the owner of their money and each one has our own things to do, due to those circumstances that we decide to do other types of things, sometimes it is better to go away and rest for a long time, or maybe one day, a week, then go play with a calmer mind and play without seeking revenge or something similar, it is the best, this way you avoid spending a lot of money and obviously putting in money that you are willing to lose.
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Some people don't even realize how interesting other hobbies can be. The main thing here is to try and discover something new for yourself, but I would base everything on what can be beneficial for us in the future. This could be sports training or cycling, or something that is related to mental development but at the same time brings us pleasure. It’s just that gambling probably to some extent implies that the player is lazy, he creates for himself the illusion that he will make money from the game and will only press one button. And if we tell him that nothing will come of it, he won’t even want to listen to us. Only after he is convinced and has lost a sufficient amount will he begin to listen to our words, and not every player is capable of this. Therefore, if you have lost the best thing, stop and listen.
That's why they still use gambling to have fun and not thinks that the other activities can gives the fun for them. They will not wants to try a new thing that can gives entertainment and pleasure and only thinks that gambling is the one thing that they must do to have fun. Yes, that can related to their mental development and if they don't wants to realizes about something bad that already happens to them, they will gets deeper in gambling and no one can helps them if they don't open their minds. They will not stops from playing gambling if they lose instead just to keeps playing gambling because they thinks that they don't have the other things that can makes them busy. They will lose more money without realizing that can makes them gets addicted to gambling and it's difficult to makes them realizes.
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Some people don't even realize how interesting other hobbies can be. The main thing here is to try and discover something new for yourself, but I would base everything on what can be beneficial for us in the future. This could be sports training or cycling, or something that is related to mental development but at the same time brings us pleasure.

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having a hobby other than gambling is something that gamblers need to do to divert their focus from gambling, especially when they lose. as you said, gamblers can look for their hobbies such as cycling, sports, or playing games. because from my experience when we lose gambling, playing games is a very good thing to divert our focus from gambling, games like gta or other games that are not competitive, that can be a gambler's choice. it will not only divert the gambler's attention from wanting to play again, but it can also improve their mood after they lose at gambling.
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In gambling, if re-bets are made to recover losses from earlier bets, there is a chance of losing the bet again and again. If you have lost several bets, try to stop yourself from betting for a while. You prepare yourself mentally by taking a break and try to get over the stress of repeated defeats. If there is excess greed in you, then you should discard that excess greed. If you are a gambler in old age, make a plan to stop gambling today and try to control yourself from gambling permanently.
It's true, because the chance of winning at gambling is smaller than the chance of losing, so when they place a bet again and want to recover the loss that previously occurred, the same result is likely to happen, namely losing or losing again, what's more, there is no guarantee of being able to do so. win even if you bet again when you have lost in gambling. It's true what you said, when we have lost money or have experienced a losing streak then it's best to stop and not bet again, to give rest to thoughts that could become messy if we continue gambling.

However, when they cannot control themselves, such as being unable to control their greed or impatience, it is likely that they will continue to gamble even though they have experienced a losing streak in gambling. and of course that is something that can make them experience stress, because with defeats that will occur more often it can make them receive excessive pressure, in fact in my opinion don't wait for old age, even if you are already married, I think they should try to can stop gambling so they don't experience financial difficulties, especially if they do have financial problems, that doesn't mean gambling is the solution to their financial problems.
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I also lost money because I lost on gambling, but maybe not that much. But I know there are people who spend a lot of money for gambling. In your opinion, what should we do if we have lost a lot of money on gambling? Do we keep gambling to win so we can cover up previous losses? or stop and work normally and leave gambling? Or do you have other suggestions?
In gambling, if re-bets are made to recover losses from earlier bets, there is a chance of losing the bet again and again. If you have lost several bets, try to stop yourself from betting for a while. You prepare yourself mentally by taking a break and try to get over the stress of repeated defeats. If there is excess greed in you, then you should discard that excess greed. If you are a gambler in old age, make a plan to stop gambling today and try to control yourself from gambling permanently.
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Normally gambling is not all about do or die affair, it's the motive to which you gamble that tells you either to stop or continues, if fun derive you most it will be of more joy but if it's money their must be depression because losses must occur it's never a win -win situation.

The best advice that I would always be giving is to take some time off out of gambling. Find ways for the mean time to make joy out of it especially if you lose large amount of money and you're definitely attached on it. It's a very crucial place to be in, that's why you to be more mindful of your actions. Because often than not, it's not just about the money you lose but your psychology because tendency are you are about to beat yourself out of it. So get some short vacation, have rest, and come back stronger and better.
Yeah, takes a break for a while will be a good solution but if we thinks that we can't wins in gambling, it's better we don't have to playing gambling instead leaves gambling forever. That will helps us to saves the money and use it for the other things that will be important to our lives. We must realizes that many activities that can gives pleasure to us so we don't rely on gambling to have fun, especially if we feels difficult to have or learn self control. If we already lose in gambling, we must rethinks that gambling is not for us and we must trying to reduce our gambling activity but stops playing gambling will be the best solutions. We can use our spare time to do other things that will not use much money and we can avoids the addiction in gambling.
Some people don't even realize how interesting other hobbies can be. The main thing here is to try and discover something new for yourself, but I would base everything on what can be beneficial for us in the future. This could be sports training or cycling, or something that is related to mental development but at the same time brings us pleasure. It’s just that gambling probably to some extent implies that the player is lazy, he creates for himself the illusion that he will make money from the game and will only press one button. And if we tell him that nothing will come of it, he won’t even want to listen to us. Only after he is convinced and has lost a sufficient amount will he begin to listen to our words, and not every player is capable of this. Therefore, if you have lost the best thing, stop and listen.
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So my advice is, you look once, twice, thrice, and still if you don't win then you quit gambling. And if you don't leave then no one can stop your destruction.
You are right, we should always do a quick feedback on things when we are playing and what our possible mistakes have been, it is a fact that when we look for a way to earn money, sometimes we make mistakes driven by Impositions of our emotions, which we should not. do for Nothing in the world , however, for letting ourselves be carried away by our emotions because we give ourselves over to something that is not, that is why we must always improve in Terms of that, although avoiding all this is very simple, it is enough to have some money that we have Available to lose, this is the smartest way to prevent us from losing excess money.



You should refelct to yourself and on the things that went wrong, there's always a possible adjustments that you may take instead of pushing forward, we tend to continue as we think that we can recover if we will try again, that kind of incorrect approach that mostly affects the gamblers decision making.

If you quit and pause for a while then there's no harm that may take place, just the amount that you already lose then if possible to re-try when your mind is already rest out and start with a fresh minds.

There are times when people cannot handle the strategy I have of playing in the casino and trading, which is the money I am willing to lose, because people say, with little money it does not affect me at all, and they bet more, then When they cannot do the strategy, many say that this strategy is not very viable or that it does not have much impact because of how simple it is, but you have to have a lot of discipline to follow it, one is filled with many emotions when playing, it is something that cannot be can avoid and then you lose money It's when you react and say that you can't be like this anymore, sometimes losing is when a person calms down.
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Normally gambling is not all about do or die affair, it's the motive to which you gamble that tells you either to stop or continues, if fun derive you most it will be of more joy but if it's money their must be depression because losses must occur it's never a win -win situation.

The best advice that I would always be giving is to take some time off out of gambling. Find ways for the mean time to make joy out of it especially if you lose large amount of money and you're definitely attached on it. It's a very crucial place to be in, that's why you to be more mindful of your actions. Because often than not, it's not just about the money you lose but your psychology because tendency are you are about to beat yourself out of it. So get some short vacation, have rest, and come back stronger and better.
Yeah, takes a break for a while will be a good solution but if we thinks that we can't wins in gambling, it's better we don't have to playing gambling instead leaves gambling forever. That will helps us to saves the money and use it for the other things that will be important to our lives. We must realizes that many activities that can gives pleasure to us so we don't rely on gambling to have fun, especially if we feels difficult to have or learn self control. If we already lose in gambling, we must rethinks that gambling is not for us and we must trying to reduce our gambling activity but stops playing gambling will be the best solutions. We can use our spare time to do other things that will not use much money and we can avoids the addiction in gambling.
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So my advice is, you look once, twice, thrice, and still if you don't win then you quit gambling. And if you don't leave then no one can stop your destruction.
You are right, we should always do a quick feedback on things when we are playing and what our possible mistakes have been, it is a fact that when we look for a way to earn money, sometimes we make mistakes driven by Impositions of our emotions, which we should not. do for Nothing in the world , however, for letting ourselves be carried away by our emotions because we give ourselves over to something that is not, that is why we must always improve in Terms of that, although avoiding all this is very simple, it is enough to have some money that we have Available to lose, this is the smartest way to prevent us from losing excess money.
You should refelct to yourself and on the things that went wrong, there's always a possible adjustments that you may take instead of pushing forward, we tend to continue as we think that we can recover if we will try again, that kind of incorrect approach that mostly affects the gamblers decision making.

If you quit and pause for a while then there's no harm that may take place, just the amount that you already lose then if possible to re-try when your mind is already rest out and start with a fresh minds.
Well, that is what every gambler always does, they always think that if they continue they will definitely be able to achieve win and this is the beginning of bigger losses.
But on the other hand, it is also true that continuing to play will result in winning because it is possible for so much money at stake to not win at all, it just that the winnings are not commensurate with the amount that has been lost.
Usually they will use certain strategies such as martingale to get back some of the money they lost because with each bet the amount will be increased for greater returns.
However, this is not recommended because really have to have lot of money and the mentality to be brave enough to take risks and accept defeat.

But the wisest decision is still to stop when you start losing, this can minimize excessive use of money, plus not all gamblers are able to use large amounts of money and can accept losing.
There are several efforts to minimize large losses and everything will depend on how each gambler makes decisions about what to do after losing or winning.
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Normally gambling is not all about do or die affair, it's the motive to which you gamble that tells you either to stop or continues, if fun derive you most it will be of more joy but if it's money their must be depression because losses must occur it's never a win -win situation.

The best advice that I would always be giving is to take some time off out of gambling. Find ways for the mean time to make joy out of it especially if you lose large amount of money and you're definitely attached on it. It's a very crucial place to be in, that's why you to be more mindful of your actions. Because often than not, it's not just about the money you lose but your psychology because tendency are you are about to beat yourself out of it. So get some short vacation, have rest, and come back stronger and better.
We do know that each person does have their own set of interest on which there are moments that you would really be only considering gambling for you to ease out that boredom and not something that do talks about other activities like sports or other activities on which a human being could involved on. There are really those individuals who would really be that wanting or liking or to mind gambling as the thing that ease out that frustration on which means that on the time that they are stress about gambling loses then they would likely be playing gambling even more just to ease out the disappointment but we do know on how reality works on which instead of quitting or stopping they do rather to continue.

People do really just that only stop on the moment that they will really be that losing all the money they do have on which this would really be a usual thing to have
or would really be considered on the moment that you would be playing.
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Of course the losses we experience in gambling are caused by ourselves and we don't need to blame other people for this, what you say is also true, we have to be responsible for what we do and it would be better if we didn't do it. don't force yourself to do it. When gambling, if we don't want the bet we are playing, we cannot win.

Self-control when betting is of course very important because someone who is greedy in betting certainly doesn't think about anything when placing a bet and for some people who can control themselves when gambling, of course they will first analyze the bet they place. so they can control themselves when gambling. the probability of winning the bet he played.

Yes, that's true, indeed the losses that occur are our own fault in gambling and the losses that occur are not the casino's fault but we are the ones who gamble too much. with many people having a bad view of gambling, saying that people who experience a lot of problems, such as having their finances in disarray or being in debt, usually say it's "because of gambling", actually that's not quite right, because it's those who experience a lot of defeats or losses. This was caused by himself overdoing his gambling. maybe they are obsessed with winning so they keep gambling to get the win they dream of.

Indeed, this is the key to preventing bigger losses, with those who experience big losses because they cannot control themselves well, so they cannot limit the gambling they do, even though they have lost in the gambling they do but because Without self-control, they keep betting to get the desired results. In general, gambling will end in defeat or loss, but that is not a problem because it is something that is bound to happen, but here the control is with us on how we respond to gambling, including losses that occur, a wise gambler will definitely stop when gambling occurs. If you do this, it will end in defeat, but for those who cannot control themselves, they will not be able to stop betting before they get what they want.
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Normally gambling is not all about do or die affair, it's the motive to which you gamble that tells you either to stop or continues, if fun derive you most it will be of more joy but if it's money their must be depression because losses must occur it's never a win -win situation.

The best advice that I would always be giving is to take some time off out of gambling. Find ways for the mean time to make joy out of it especially if you lose large amount of money and you're definitely attached on it. It's a very crucial place to be in, that's why you to be more mindful of your actions. Because often than not, it's not just about the money you lose but your psychology because tendency are you are about to beat yourself out of it. So get some short vacation, have rest, and come back stronger and better.
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Gambling is a place to spend money, although many gamblers consider casinos to be a place to earn money. But in reality, more gamblers lose their money at casinos or gambling sites. So I think all of us here probably have almost the same experience, namely losing a lot of money gambling
Actually in gambling people must lose money, there is no possibility that people will gamble without losing. The more people gamble to win the high chances of losing the more
And also there is no sure guarantee that there will be more win than lose.

I also lost money because I lost on gambling, but maybe not that much. But I know there are people who spend a lot of money for gambling. In your opinion, what should we do if we have lost a lot of money on gambling? Do we keep gambling to win so we can cover up previous losses? or stop and work normally and leave gambling? Or do you have other suggestions?
There is alot of questions here, and all is directing towards controlling the habit of gambling. Whenever a person expirences alot of loss, there should be a need to hold on a little or reduce the speed of gambling to avoid loosing out totally. I am not discouraging gambling, but when it comes to addiction we need to be careful to control our emotions, since constant loses makes us chase after loses.
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people who are addicted will of course spend more time in front of the screen, they will continue to gamble to fulfill their desire to win, indeed if they become addicted it makes their life unbalanced because they only focus on gambling, with that they will likely Most people will only spend their money gambling and obviously this will affect their finances and become unstable. I don't think those who have strict financial restrictions will gamble excessively, if indeed they have strict financial limits it means that person can manage their finances well.
To help them, of course we can advise them well, reminding them what will happen if they go too far in casino gambling, when they lose, they must realize that their money will only be drained quickly, especially if they themselves cannot control themselves. when gambling, it will obviously drain their finances very quickly.
Agree with the thought, In gambling there will have lot of chances of winning as well as losing. There are some gamblers who become addicted to gambling and their losses are so high that they cannot stop gambling if they want. As a gambler's gambling ratio increases, at the same way his provability will also increase. At some point the gambler will look at other resources and by using those resources he may be exposed to big losses. A gambler should not spend too much time on gambling as it leads to addiction. And if addicted, no matter how much money the gambler owns, he will never be able to hod his assets.
Indeed, it is best for us to gamble within a set time limit. Losing in gambling cannot be avoided, but large losses can be prevented by ourselves who do the gambling, if we ourselves cannot limit the gambling we do, we will suffer large losses. happens, even though there is a chance to win, the win will not be as big as expected, if the gambling you have done has ended in defeat then what you have to do is stop, but gamblers who can stop after experiencing defeat are probably only wise gamblers, because they can Seeing that bigger losses will occur when brands continue to gamble, however, for gamblers who are thirsty for victory, they will continue to gamble without thinking about the negative impacts such as losses that could occur.
indeed if they are addicted to gambling of course they will feel itchy when they have money, they will not think twice of course gambling is one of the things that is definitely done with the hope and aim of winning but with predictable results, and of course they don't will be able to save or hoard assets.
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Passing blames is a sign that you don't want to accept responsibility of your loses or you just need an excuse to co sole yourself, what is right is to take responsibility cause no one forced you to make such decisions, everyone needs to learn how to control themselves from gambling too much and set boundaries on how much they would spend every week, I even think that most people that lose in gambling are those that can't handle the emotion if losing and tend to want to chase loses or get their money back and in the process loss even more.
Of course the losses we experience in gambling are caused by ourselves and we don't need to blame other people for this, what you say is also true, we have to be responsible for what we do and it would be better if we didn't do it. don't force yourself to do it. When gambling, if we don't want the bet we are playing, we cannot win.

Self-control when betting is of course very important because someone who is greedy in betting certainly doesn't think about anything when placing a bet and for some people who can control themselves when gambling, of course they will first analyze the bet they place. so they can control themselves when gambling. the probability of winning the bet he played.
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If we lose in gambling, what do we need to do? the best answer for this question is face it you lose and you cant turn back time so what you gonna do. Face it is the best option at this point and you might regret it but time is marches on frennnn.

and other thing you can do is : Assess Your Situation: Take a step back and honestly assess your gambling behavior and its impact on your life, Set Limits in the next round, and lastly Take a Break: Consider taking a break from gambling to give yourself time to reflect and regain control.
Of course, when we experience defeat at gambling, we must be able to accept it and also be able to take responsibility for what we do. Don't blame anyone for the loss we experience for whatever reason, it is very stupid if gamblers who experience defeat continue to blame other people for their defeat. they got it.

I agree with you, of course we must be able to analyze the gambling we do whether we make mistakes or we must first reduce the gambling activities we do and do things that can make us forget about the defeats we experience. After that we can go back to trying to gamble. and keep doing it in a controlled manner so as not to experience continuous defeat again.

I know right I mean if you blaming someone you need to blame yourself not other because you do it yourself. and I quite agree with you blaming other is stupid hahha.

Set a budget and forget the past
Passing blames is a sign that you don't want to accept responsibility of your loses or you just need an excuse to co sole yourself, what is right is to take responsibility cause no one forced you to make such decisions, everyone needs to learn how to control themselves from gambling too much and set boundaries on how much they would spend every week, I even think that most people that lose in gambling are those that can't handle the emotion if losing and tend to want to chase loses or get their money back and in the process loss even more.
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