Kevin 170 x MtGox 131
Who will make the "epic-est" thread?
Topic: I'm Kevin, here's my side. - page 14. (Read 258592 times)
I don't see how anyone can read the OP and think KD has a case for keeping his money. Based on his owns words, I think he should be going to prison. Compare what he did to what Martha Stewart did. Do we know where he lives? American DA's freakin' love to take on cases that will be big in the news.
Okay this is just getting silly. The behavior of Mt Gox here is completely unprofessional. If you suspect that Kevin is the hacker/worked with the hacker then you go the legal route. Trying to slander him on a forum isn't the right way to go.
The sad part here is that you already know this and the reason you slander Kevin on the boards is that you hope that if people get someone to blame for this they'll forget that this is all Mt Gox fault. You're making Kevin a scapegoat and hope that people will keep trading on Mt Gox when this thing is over and you can open up trading again. I really hope people aren't falling for it.
Mt Gox weren't ready to go from trading cards to actually currencies and the whole clusterfuck that has been their handling of this case has proven that beyond reasonable doubt. For the record I think the lack of security measures was enough to leave mt gox, the rest is just icing on the cake.
The sad part here is that you already know this and the reason you slander Kevin on the boards is that you hope that if people get someone to blame for this they'll forget that this is all Mt Gox fault. You're making Kevin a scapegoat and hope that people will keep trading on Mt Gox when this thing is over and you can open up trading again. I really hope people aren't falling for it.
Mt Gox weren't ready to go from trading cards to actually currencies and the whole clusterfuck that has been their handling of this case has proven that beyond reasonable doubt. For the record I think the lack of security measures was enough to leave mt gox, the rest is just icing on the cake.
because it's definitely not fishy that the phones cost 1 cent instead of 100 dollars
Thoes are not "phones", thoes are art paintings. One day worth 1 usd another 1,000,000 USD. You are not required to know.
Also, what with traders @12, trades @10, trades @5, trades @14 ... all deales are supposed to be reverted.
Kevin,
MagicalTux says you logged in and placed the .01 cent order 3 minutes before the selloff began.
Is this true?
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20250.msg253491
MagicalTux says you logged in and placed the .01 cent order 3 minutes before the selloff began.
Is this true?
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20250.msg253491
I think you better file suit, Kevin, or you are going to look like the hacker in everyone's eyes, maybe even my own.
Kevin,
I think your just motivated by the greed, so to make it easier for everyone (especially yourself), take your 654 or whatever BTC and just walk away.
Call it a day and Go enjoy your 7000$ profit, and let BTC continue fixing its bugs and getting better.
Youre holding up the parade. Wouldnt you like to be known as the giant hearted guy that did the right thing? The Karma is gonna be enormous brah!
Think of the ladies. They love that kind of hero stuff.
good on ya in advance for heeding this advice,
I think your just motivated by the greed, so to make it easier for everyone (especially yourself), take your 654 or whatever BTC and just walk away.
Call it a day and Go enjoy your 7000$ profit, and let BTC continue fixing its bugs and getting better.
Youre holding up the parade. Wouldnt you like to be known as the giant hearted guy that did the right thing? The Karma is gonna be enormous brah!
Think of the ladies. They love that kind of hero stuff.
good on ya in advance for heeding this advice,
I don't know about who have the right on these bitcoins, however,
No one cares about the innocent users affected by this situation?
Hellllooooo... This is about MONEY; the measure of work of many people.
Thank GOD my account was empty.
No one cares about the innocent users affected by this situation?
Hellllooooo... This is about MONEY; the measure of work of many people.
Thank GOD my account was empty.
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Really? To me it is more like watch group of man running from one side of market to another, and later buying some cheap used cellphones nearby seeing how there are tons of sell-offs.
because someone definitely implanted a mindcontrol chip in their brains to force them to sellNo, just the phones had really low sticker prices on them, and the selling system is fully automated.
As I customer I don't give a fuck who's fault is it that some phones where allowed to be moved into other part of the shop, or between shops or something - especially that the same System/Person is responsible for allowing the initial steal and later trading of it.
EDITED (appended):
Btw. nice example with the mindcontroll chip.
But here the obviously fraudulent operation of taking over accounts was connected to unknown operations - buy and sell orders, some of them legit, some not, we will never know for sure.
I guess I would also rollback in place of mtgox, but what is the right thing to do is to eat the bullet and repay everyone. But that is nor possible probably since mtgox would need to have around 400,000 USD or so liquidity.
Or perhaps settle with the buyer, and slowly repay him over next 10 years using 5% monthly profit or something, and be known as the most trusted exchange ever that will always eat the bullet and never let down any customers about transactions
(yea but its unrealistic..)
Kevin, this isn't something that can be decided with forum posts. Get a lawyer and keep your mouth shut in public.
this ^
you can't seriously thing that you'll get the 250k or parts of it by making a forum post, do you?
there is nothing to gain, but there is 643 BTC to loose in case MtGox demands those back and you are making public statements here.
And if he refuses to give them back??? What are they going to do, sue him? How did any of us know it was a hack. As I stated, there were many forum posts right HERE talking about the "major selloff". People thought Satoshi was getting out and dumping. 90 percent of you would have bought at .01 if you could have. SO Mt Gox should get their coins back bcause they allowed themselves to be compromised?
Someone gets their wallet stolen and the prevailing attitude here is "oh well, should have been more careful", but a site trusted with our financial resources allows themselves to be hacked, and everyone feels bad for them?
Don't be surprised. Mt.Gox is the bitcoin equivalent of a liked social institution -everyone has a stake in it and they are going to protect it. But when something like this happens to an individual they're going to say "tough luck.." Double standards are everywhere. It's human nature.
This may (or may not) be my last reply on this matter. It is now a legal issue, unfortunately. I'd like to point out Kevin made every attempt to avoid this and set things right.
I'd imagine Kevin may be scarce either now, or very soon as well. Remember directly publicly accusing someone of a felony, generally causes them to lawyer up if they have any intelligence whatsoever.
MT - I used to think you were simply an amateur operating out of his depth. Now I fear something far worse is afoot.
Hopefully the truth comes out soon.
Otherwise, good luck to everyone who has money riding on this - I hope you can afford to lose it
I know I'm likely out a thousand or so myself.
-Phil
I'd imagine Kevin may be scarce either now, or very soon as well. Remember directly publicly accusing someone of a felony, generally causes them to lawyer up if they have any intelligence whatsoever.
MT - I used to think you were simply an amateur operating out of his depth. Now I fear something far worse is afoot.
Hopefully the truth comes out soon.
Otherwise, good luck to everyone who has money riding on this - I hope you can afford to lose it
I know I'm likely out a thousand or so myself.-Phil
I just wished someone on the other side of the table would say something. This actually points to a single account getting compromised, or the wallet itself. How can there be so many crying "ahhh, but I thought I was going to get rich. I didn't know it was stolen, honest..." and no one stating the reverse side of the coin?
Maybe noone noticed yet, and with the reversed transactions never will, but just imaging all your coins had been sold for $0.01 a piece... you could argue that it was mtgox fault, sure, but how would you feel about the guy that knowing something fishy was going on still bought them (I would) and then, when shit hits the fan, throws a public fit because he might have to give the stolen coins back? I know, it sucks to not be freakin' rich anymore, but just imagine your however many k's of coins got sold as a result of a security breach, the site owner had the option to revert these abusive transactions but instead throws in the towel and says "tough luck, I'm out" ?
Maybe noone noticed yet, and with the reversed transactions never will, but just imaging all your coins had been sold for $0.01 a piece... you could argue that it was mtgox fault, sure, but how would you feel about the guy that knowing something fishy was going on still bought them (I would) and then, when shit hits the fan, throws a public fit because he might have to give the stolen coins back? I know, it sucks to not be freakin' rich anymore, but just imagine your however many k's of coins got sold as a result of a security breach, the site owner had the option to revert these abusive transactions but instead throws in the towel and says "tough luck, I'm out" ?
do you imbeciles honestly think that abusing a security breach to get millions of dollars in assets is fair?
that's like watching a terrorist blow a hole in fort knox and stealing half the gold then pleading that it's fair!!
that's like watching a terrorist blow a hole in fort knox and stealing half the gold then pleading that it's fair!!
Really? To me it is more like watching group of man running from one side of market to another, and later buying some cheap used cellphones nearby seeing how there are tons of sell-offs.
You may be surprised about the prices, but actually this place is known for incredible price swings and unbelievable occasions.
Sure this looks sort of suspicious, but do we have independent "people's currency" to:
- make verdicts based on total speculation (at time of writing this post: coincidental close login times of hackers and the person that was able to made the cheap buy
- leak logs to hackers and Internet
- hand over logs to CIA/FBI
I may like mtgox (more until inexcusable horrible security was revealed), but above is really bad imo.
If, as you believe, this 500,000 coin selloff, was a legitimate selloff, and was NOT due to theft (the only reason you may be legally entitled to keep your bitcoin), then it's likely that after the rollback, this seller will just sell their money again. So, put in a few more orders at 0.0101, and wait for another windfall. If the money WAS stolen, well then...
Hey, I was doing something social or playing outside when the shit hit the fan. Who can I sue to get hooked up with some phat 0.001 bitcoin action?
You did business with MTGox. It's such an extraordinary event, that MTGox themselves are the ones who get to make any decisions in this matter. The market will reward or punish their choice. Personally I think MtGox is in the right in this instance.
Reverting might be the lesser evil for some, of course ideally the exchanger would eat the bullet, revert and let the low-price-sellers profit - repay them from own pocket.
Getting FBI/CIA involved by giving them logs is not something that users of free, libertarian, bettern-then-government "money" system would love too much I guess.
Kevin, after what Mt Gox did in the "their side" thread to try and CONNECT YOU with the hacker, I sure as hell hope you file that injunction.
I sure hope too, will make it easier for us.O
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This is the team holding millions of dollars worth of our capital?
God I love Bitcoin. We should have our own reality show.
Kevin, after what Mt Gox did in the "their side" thread to try and CONNECT YOU with the hacker, I sure as hell hope you file that injunction.
I sure hope too, will make it easier for us.wtf is this supposed to mean? kevin has been nothing but up front about everything. this response is gross as hell.
Kevin, after what Mt Gox did in the "their side" thread to try and CONNECT YOU with the hacker, I sure as hell hope you file that injunction.
I sure hope too, will make it easier for us.OH SNAP! IT'S ON NOW SON!
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