Topic: I'm really leaving the U.S. for a 3rd world country because of politics (Read 16000 times)
June 22, 2021, 07:31:28 AM
February 02, 2020, 01:40:47 AM
meh
February 01, 2020, 09:10:36 AM
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third world countries suck, people steal from foreigners and are racist down there. you are to blinded by american inclusiveness.People are, you know, like people 'n shit.
One does either need to have money to burn down here or be on their toes. Some combination of both is good. I find the difference in the people, such as it is, to be refreshing in a way.
Nobody has yet threatened me with violence or any such thing, but I always expect that possibility and take appropriate measures. People do absolutely try to overcharge me for stuff. Normally I just pay it because the cost is still absurdly cheap by my standards. Normally they lose money because I would have given them a tip which is higher than to overcharge anyway. A vast majority of people do NOT try to cheat me or overcharge me.
The funniest thing is that when someone does some sort of a blatant over-charge or other attempt to get a little extra money they seem to feel so good about how clever they are for 'fooling the dumb foreigner' even when it is blatantly obvious and ham-handed. They seem to assume that I won't or don't notice. It's so pathetic that it's almost 'cute' in a funny way. My means and the scope of my life experiences is radically beyond what most of the people can really conceptualize that it's sort of feels like I'm in a different world.
I can only speak for myself and my own situation, but I find it fine down here. I'm planning to stay (here in The Philippines or in some equally 'third-world' country if I have to move) until there is some light at the end of the tunnel for my home country (the U.S.). That probably means I'll not go back sadly enough.
It helps that I spend a great deal of time in the Bitcoin ecosystem as it has evolved. The Bitcoin ecosystem makes The Philippines seem like Japan when it comes to flakiness and dishonesty.
February 01, 2020, 08:27:57 AM
MYTH: America's best days are ahead of us.
FACT: If you're not utterly ashamed to be an American right now, its because you're not paying attention.
MYTH: Thousands of people are following through on their word to emigrate from America if Trump becomes president.
FACT: I am. I was also planning on moving if Hillary became president, because fuck this.
I bought a plane ticket for a 1 month trip to the Philippines to see if I can make it there doing freelance editing, writing and tutoring work on the internet. The cost of living here is ridiculously expensive compared to there, but I think I could live comfortably as my own boss over there. Having been to Luzon once before for a couple weeks, it won't be an overwhelmingly foreign experience for me. It's really not that different from anywhere else, just impoverished, crowded and with desperation. Still, there's far more crackheads out of their mind in my current neighborhood than there are per square mile over there, and far more guns.
After having spent a decade of my life trying to convince white-collar criminals to stop abusing the health insurance system at the expense of the poor and the sickly and being met with opposition at every level, I'm giving up trying to have a "normal," run-of-the-mill life. America is supposed to be better than other countries because of the way we treat people, but we treat our own people like shit -- especially poor people, which are _most_ people (despite America being the richest country on earth). If there were better benefits to agreeing to be part of the beehive collective, perhaps I'd be more inclined to put up with an unfulfilling career working for an un-respectable boss. But the benefits suck and I can no longer be scared into complacency.
My goal is to find an employer in the Philippines that will sponsor my work visa so I can live there with my girlfriend, who is a citizen and currently lives there. She's from an impoverished part of Pangasinan, the kind of place where $200 is life-changing money. I feel like I can make more of a positive difference over there than here, so with any luck I will have moved out of the U.S. by spring.
I'm thinking about creating some sort of fundraiser so people who wanted to move out of the U.S. but can't in reality can donate me money to help pay for my transition. Then I could post updates about my move from the fundraiser page so they could live through me vicariously.
If you like this idea, you can show your support by leaving me a donation at the address in my profile, then I'll know that maybe the general public might do the same and I should start a GoFundMe or something.. Here's my booking confirmation for my ticket to Manila. Thanks for reading this!
FACT: If you're not utterly ashamed to be an American right now, its because you're not paying attention.
MYTH: Thousands of people are following through on their word to emigrate from America if Trump becomes president.
FACT: I am. I was also planning on moving if Hillary became president, because fuck this.
I bought a plane ticket for a 1 month trip to the Philippines to see if I can make it there doing freelance editing, writing and tutoring work on the internet. The cost of living here is ridiculously expensive compared to there, but I think I could live comfortably as my own boss over there. Having been to Luzon once before for a couple weeks, it won't be an overwhelmingly foreign experience for me. It's really not that different from anywhere else, just impoverished, crowded and with desperation. Still, there's far more crackheads out of their mind in my current neighborhood than there are per square mile over there, and far more guns.
After having spent a decade of my life trying to convince white-collar criminals to stop abusing the health insurance system at the expense of the poor and the sickly and being met with opposition at every level, I'm giving up trying to have a "normal," run-of-the-mill life. America is supposed to be better than other countries because of the way we treat people, but we treat our own people like shit -- especially poor people, which are _most_ people (despite America being the richest country on earth). If there were better benefits to agreeing to be part of the beehive collective, perhaps I'd be more inclined to put up with an unfulfilling career working for an un-respectable boss. But the benefits suck and I can no longer be scared into complacency.
My goal is to find an employer in the Philippines that will sponsor my work visa so I can live there with my girlfriend, who is a citizen and currently lives there. She's from an impoverished part of Pangasinan, the kind of place where $200 is life-changing money. I feel like I can make more of a positive difference over there than here, so with any luck I will have moved out of the U.S. by spring.
I'm thinking about creating some sort of fundraiser so people who wanted to move out of the U.S. but can't in reality can donate me money to help pay for my transition. Then I could post updates about my move from the fundraiser page so they could live through me vicariously.
If you like this idea, you can show your support by leaving me a donation at the address in my profile, then I'll know that maybe the general public might do the same and I should start a GoFundMe or something.. Here's my booking confirmation for my ticket to Manila. Thanks for reading this!
third world countries suck, people steal from foreigners and are racist down there. you are to blinded by american inclusiveness.
January 30, 2020, 07:00:35 PM
The discussion is getting funny at the same time serious in here.
It is kind of romantic when someone from a much well-off country (which I suppose you are from) speaks of canned sardines and carinderias in a positive way. The sad thing, however, is that ₱60 may be cheap to you but not to many of the ordinary citizens here. If one ordinary worker spends ₱60 per meal here, he'll be spending ₱180/day for meals alone. That could mean one is eating up more than half of his daily wage. That cannot be. There won't be anything left for the family if that's the case.
The worse thing here is that the government does not make anything better. I suppose the government where you are coming from is looking after the welfare of its people. The government here can only offer lip service.
It is kind of romantic when someone from a much well-off country (which I suppose you are from) speaks of canned sardines and carinderias in a positive way. The sad thing, however, is that ₱60 may be cheap to you but not to many of the ordinary citizens here. If one ordinary worker spends ₱60 per meal here, he'll be spending ₱180/day for meals alone. That could mean one is eating up more than half of his daily wage. That cannot be. There won't be anything left for the family if that's the case.
The worse thing here is that the government does not make anything better. I suppose the government where you are coming from is looking after the welfare of its people. The government here can only offer lip service.
They don't get it unless you tell them what the average wage is. I will tell you the avg wage in mine, so you can jump of joy of the richness you are living in: 5 USD a month. Only a decade ago, i used to earn 250 USD a month. Same job, in the same company, is paying right now about 5 USD. I had to quit when it was around 10 USD, was paying more in public transport.
I found that committing myself to an internet job was the only choice, and here i am. We are survivors, except the select Elite close to the guys in power.
In 2010 i didn't think i would ever suffer such poverty, i should have committed all my savings from that job into bitcoin. Too late... If we had seasons, most of us would die in winter. I have an acquaintance with the theory that is the very reason poverty reigns in the tropics, we are just too lazy. When your country goes down the poverty drain, all the others close the doors. Americans and Europeans don't understand this, they just can't imagine how people are forced to ask for a visa and pay a fortune for the permission to visit a country a week or two. And how do you meet people that might employ you overseas when you are not even allowed to enter in the first place? and how are you going to ever afford the ticket when you are also forbidden to work the time you stay there?
When 9a-5p 5-6 days a week job nets you 5 USD a month, how exactly do you think someone can afford things like cars or such?
And i think i'm better than the average, at least i inherited a place to live (parents still living there too). Internet stopped working 2 years ago, i still miss the days when i could leisure watch youtube videos, i'm forced to use a capped mobile that cannot be expanded, people are forced to use 600mb a month and then pay A LOT more per byte. But to me no internet = no food (literally).
In this distorted economy where competition is rare and State power overreaching, the few that import goods charge at least twice of what you would pay in your rich countries. So not only do we earn a misery, to buy your products we would need to pay 2 or 3 times more. Oh you people don't really know how a gov can ruin a country, no no no, in your lifetimes you never will, probably.
"Because of politics i wish to leave a 3rd world country" Or actually i wish the politicians would leave the country.
Incidentally you could live here A MONTH with 10 USD, hey that's TWICE the average wage... I think Filipinos should send us aid, you guys are so rich
We DO have something else in common: we also used to be a Spanish colony. Maybe that left something bad in our culture, since the former British colonies next door seem to be faring MUCH better... Or the Westminster system is truly superior to our "President" is the absolute ruler nonsense. Who knows?
January 26, 2020, 12:35:17 AM
In the places I used to live in America there were so many senseless quarrels about nothing which I can't help but think only arise from the lack of having real problems. Most such problems aren't even fathomable for much of the American middle class.
January 24, 2020, 04:38:03 AM
Though its your personal decision. I don't think leaving USA for country like Philippine is a good idea. USA will be super power and top of the world for at-least next couple of decades. You cant find amenities of USA in third world country, I suggest stay in USA and enjoy the life.
Of what 'amenities' do you speak specifically?
'Top of the world' means next to nothing for Joe Sixpack these days. Worse than nothing actually since it paints a big 'milk me' sign on the his back. Extracting maximum production out of a herd (e.g., mainlining them with hormones) can be harmful to individual health, and the average life expectancy in the U.S. has already peaked and is on the way down. For 'white males' currently but I expect most other major cohorts to follow.
World suicide rate rank:
U.S.: #34
Philippines: #159
That should tell something about life in a society.
To say the truth, I find Filipinos to be more 'normal' as humans go compared to large swaths of the middle/upper-middle class in the more 'developed western liberal democracies'. That's not necessarily a good or bad thing, and it can be plenty aggravating, but it's probably better than the alternative.
January 24, 2020, 02:06:54 AM
Though its your personal decision. I don't think leaving USA for country like Philippine is a good idea. USA will be super power and top of the world for at-least next couple of decades. You cant find amenities of USA in third world country, I suggest stay in USA and enjoy the life.
January 24, 2020, 01:32:17 AM
English is almost the second language for all. The native visayan doesn't even learn Tagalog (which were assumed to be the national language) but can fluently speaks English.
That's not been my experience. So far everyone I've met seems to be able to communicate satisfactorily with other Filipinos in Tagalog. I don't speak Tagalog so I only say this judging by the interactions between people who have two different mother languages. I've met a lot of people who are not able (or at least willing) to communicate in English.
Even the people who are quite fluent in English will almost never recognize or appreciate linguistic nuances and things which make communications fun and interesting. It's a little to much to ask though, especially since I've been unable to make myself even try to learn Tagalog.
Philippines is almost perfect for a place to settle, cheap cost of living, warn weather and girls of course. The only you might not like is the city traffic. Its common since most of the cities are unplanned with streets close to impossible to widen.
The city I'm in now (which I won't name) has reasonable traffic. Also a ton of decent school options which was a selling point. Clean air as well. I've not been through a years worth of weather, and I'm getting used to the climate now also, but it quite tolerable so far and down-right pleasant at times. I'm from the Pacific Northwest and am more comfortable in much cooler weather. I'm also comfortable getting hit by raindrops which to many Filipinos is a terrifying experience. It's the weirdest thing. Really annoying to sometimes as people struggle with an umbrella to cross the street. I mean literally!
I have come to the point where I genuinely enjoy driving when I'm actually doing it. The rules of the road are very much different. Since I had an undergrad course in transportation engineering and have an idea of the various mathematical formulas which dictate traffic flow rates it's fascinating to see how the 'other way' works, and I believe that it's actually somewhat more efficient than orderly stop-lights and so on. One has to have laser-like focus when driving here, though, because of the various hazards and the ever-present danger of hitting someone. After an hour or two of driving I'm very much ready to do something else.
Entertainment is the best of its kind in the Philippines even the politics will keep you entertain.
The politics is definitely and interesting study. There are related events which nobody I've talked to and no reporting that I've heard even attempt to tie together. The Duterte presidency has made some shock waves and I sense that it has thrown almost everyone off-balance (and put a fair number of people 6 feet under as well.)
January 23, 2020, 10:07:01 PM
If my BSV investment goes 10x 500$ price i will go holiday to Philippines to check it out, i was thinking el Nido and Coron, do you recommend other places my friend nutildah?
And for how long i should i stay?
And for how long i should i stay?
January 23, 2020, 12:59:27 PM
English is almost the second language for all. The native visayan doesn't even learn Tagalog (which were assumed to be the national language) but can fluently speaks English. Philippines is almost perfect for a place to settle, cheap cost of living, warn weather and girls of course. The only you might not like is the city traffic. Its common since most of the cities are unplanned with streets close to impossible to widen.
Entertainment is the best of its kind in the Philippines even the politics will keep you entertain.
January 23, 2020, 11:56:09 AM
sold a taco
January 23, 2020, 10:40:51 AM
Im a Filipino and im just surprised that many foreigners choose Philippines despite that there are far more better countries out there.
I would say that Filipinos are to some significant degree victims of 'demoralization' meaning that the place is not as bad as you've been conditioned to think, or put another way, other places have significant problems as well.
Secondly, 'English'.
Thirdly, there tends to be certain romantic involvement in a lot of these things.
Fourthly, one can get a lot done in this country. It's more practical to arrange very high level protection, though it can also be a somewhat dangerous and expensive game to play.
I would say that the corruption is mostly just pushed down to a lower level and more visible in this country. The same thing exists everywhere to a degree, but it tends to be contained in the upper spheres where there is less visibility (and higher profits) in the more 'developed' countries. It's probably an economic advantage for the peeps in this country to have it be closer to the street level. That is to say, it doesn't have as far to 'trickle down.'
My suggestion if you want to find a cheap place, cebu would be the best bet and there are Crypto no mads there and it is mostly develop like modern cities, its more like the same as manila. Given the current circumstances in the US where debt has exceeded into staggering amount and banks inflating the paper money, killing generals from another country that could potentially spark a global war and even spying on their own people with the biggest surveillance system in the world, i guess it would be a matter of time until tons of US citizens move out the country.
Hope so. Just weed out the criminals please. They are an embarrassment to me and others of my ilk. I'm a guest in the country so I feel it a responsibility to be a good citizen. America has a ton of good people who's company I do rather miss. Hopefully some of them end up here, and if so are of net benefit to the nation. It's also got a ton of creepers who might come here for bad reasons (though thankfully Patatya draws off many of this class.)
I would advise anyone who is thinking about expatriation to stockpile all the papers they may need just in case. In particular, get a law enforcement clearance letter (and if you cannot, then this suggestion is not for you.) Just have it ready in case it becomes harder to get one and harder to move around. It looks to me as though the infrastructure is in place to track and restrict freedom of movement in the U.S.. If so, it's probably for a reason. And that reason probably has to do with capital flight under certain economic events.
January 23, 2020, 08:38:30 AM
Im a Filipino and im just surprised that many foreigners choose Philippines despite that there are far more better countries out there. My suggestion if you want to find a cheap place, cebu would be the best bet and there are Crypto no mads there and it is mostly develop like modern cities, its more like the same as manila. Given the current circumstances in the US where debt has exceeded into staggering amount and banks inflating the paper money, killing generals from another country that could potentially spark a global war and even spying on their own people with the biggest surveillance system in the world, i guess it would be a matter of time until tons of US citizens move out the country.
January 23, 2020, 07:46:59 AM
Update from me also: I've been in the Philippines for over half a year now solid. I've put down roots and it looks like I'll be staying. Now considering how to liquidate some of my substantial holdings in the U.S. just so they don't interfere with my 'new life.'
To re-cap, I decided to leave only after giving up on Trump who I never had a great deal of confidence in in the first place although I campaigned hard for him. He's nearly 100% fraud and I see no hope for any workable outcome in the U.S.. Trump gave me a window to get the hell out of Dodge, but his actions are simply to set the stage for a deeper and more certain crater when they do give the 'pull it' command on the U.S.. In the mean time, being an active participant in the U.S. is giving my sanction to the activities of that country. A huge weight was lifted when I realized that I was no longer a party to the depravity that the U.S. is engaged in all around the world.
I had a great life in the U.S. and I lament the loss, but it is what it is. So yes, for me it was very nearly 100% about politics. I shall not be returning in any likely scenario. I have a great life abroad as well. There is no reason that one cannot arrange for themselves a great life in any variety of scenarios.
Had I it to do over again I may not chose the Philippines. Although it is a great place with many advantages, I think it is frail to the kinds of threats which will ultimately sink the U.S. (and arguably already have.) The people have a lot of baggage left over from centuries of certain kinds of external influence and domination. They simply don't have what it takes to avoid certain kinds of traps. With what I know now I would look closely at Malaysia. Probably still will; the Philippines was always a '2nd option' for me and I always planned to have a '3rd option' as well.
January 23, 2020, 05:01:47 AM
In retrospect, my exit from the U.S. was a bit overly dramatic. I just had enough of a lot of b.s. plaguing my life at the time and am now free from all of it. What helps is not being at a soul-sucking desk job and being able to set my own hours. I enjoy significant freedoms here I could not afford in the U.S.; one of the most important of which is being able to wake up when I damn well please!
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I'm open to conducting an AMA session about being a westerner expat in the far east, so, feel free to ask me anything and I will respond as honestly as possible.
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I'm open to conducting an AMA session about being a westerner expat in the far east, so, feel free to ask me anything and I will respond as honestly as possible.
So do you feel, looking back on all of it, that the reason you moved to the Philippines was because Trump got elected or because things were not going well in your personal life to the point where you needed/wanted a fresh start? Nothing really wrong with that, everyone gets to that point of stagnation in their life where something needs to change. I could see Trump's election as being the final straw but it seems like many people that promised moving out of the country if Hillary Clinton lost never followed through and this post is one of the first accounts I've seen of a person actually following through. Elections come and go. Moving countries over the result of an election seems like a permanent solution to a temporary administration. Of course you could move back, but it isn't easy. This would lead me to believe that they're had to have been other significant factors in your decision that exceed politics.
I spent a prolong time in Indonesia for business and it was refreshing living in a new country. Not that I ever planned on moving permanently but I sure as hell have personally experienced the feeling of getting somewhat of a fresh start. It's thrilling when you think about it -- moving to a completely foreign place with boundless exploration capacity. I imagine you shared a similar experience with the Philippines.
January 23, 2020, 03:14:42 AM
sold silly string
August 28, 2019, 05:22:17 AM
This is very great. I also wanted to live in Philipines for some time and still do. I think it must be a great experience after all. But honestly, I didn't know that it was so dangerous there. I guess it's relatively safe anyway, compared to most of the part of South America or Africa. So yeah, you just need to be a bit cautious, and nothing bad will happen
Yes, you pretty much summed it up. Just don't be an ass, which includes being a dick or getting too drunk in public, and also be mindful of your surroundings, and you'll be fine. I highly recommend trying it out.
I also recommend everybody get out of their comfort zone from time to time and travel somewhere completely foreign to them as its an eye opening experience and gives you a newfound perspective on things. People who sit around the house all day, all year, year after year, just telling themselves that they know things, don't actually know much of jack.
Or as Henry Rollins once said, "Knowledge without miles equals bullshit."
Smiles without miles is only the "S" in bullshit.
August 27, 2019, 11:48:58 PM
This is very great. I also wanted to live in Philipines for some time and still do. I think it must be a great experience after all. But honestly, I didn't know that it was so dangerous there. I guess it's relatively safe anyway, compared to most of the part of South America or Africa. So yeah, you just need to be a bit cautious, and nothing bad will happen
Yes, you pretty much summed it up. Just don't be an ass, which includes being a dick or getting too drunk in public, and also be mindful of your surroundings, and you'll be fine. I highly recommend trying it out.
I also recommend everybody get out of their comfort zone from time to time and travel somewhere completely foreign to them as its an eye opening experience and gives you a newfound perspective on things. People who sit around the house all day, all year, year after year, just telling themselves that they know things, don't actually know much of jack.
Or as Henry Rollins once said, "Knowledge without miles equals bullshit."
August 27, 2019, 02:56:12 PM
I didn't quite get this part... How do you live in a place like that if it's so dangerous? The US passport can provide access almost to any country, why did you choose this? But I think that's a great experience anyway.
Well, parts of anywhere, especially the U.S., can be pretty dangerous. The same situation could have happened if I was living in a bad part of a hundred different cities in America.
I chose the Philippines for 2 reasons, mainly: cost of living was low and I like the women. After the first time I really experienced Angeles City, woow, I was hooked! There's absolutely nothing like that in America. Here's a video if you want to get an idea of what I'm talking about (I didn't really watch it but it will give you the basic idea of what's up):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXEn9fkA7gg
Then after I lived there for almost a year, I was just like, ehh... I'm over it. So I moved on. Basically, just don't be an ass and you'll be fine. You have to really be open to changing your attitude about things as well. Its good to be a "go with the flow" kind of person and not expect to have your way all the time, or you'll be extremely disappointed.
The discussion is getting funny at the same time serious in here.
It is kind of romantic when someone from a much well-off country (which I suppose you are from) speaks of canned sardines and carinderias in a positive way. The sad thing, however, is that ₱60 may be cheap to you but not to many of the ordinary citizens here. If one ordinary worker spends ₱60 per meal here, he'll be spending ₱180/day for meals alone. That could mean one is eating up more than half of his daily wage. That cannot be. There won't be anything left for the family if that's the case.
The worse thing here is that the government does not make anything better. I suppose the government where you are coming from is looking after the welfare of its people. The government here can only offer lip service.
It is kind of romantic when someone from a much well-off country (which I suppose you are from) speaks of canned sardines and carinderias in a positive way. The sad thing, however, is that ₱60 may be cheap to you but not to many of the ordinary citizens here. If one ordinary worker spends ₱60 per meal here, he'll be spending ₱180/day for meals alone. That could mean one is eating up more than half of his daily wage. That cannot be. There won't be anything left for the family if that's the case.
The worse thing here is that the government does not make anything better. I suppose the government where you are coming from is looking after the welfare of its people. The government here can only offer lip service.
The wealth gap is unfathomable. People complain about it in America, but its like 5x wider here. The middle class are about 100x richer than the poor. I can't understand how some people can make 180 pesos a day (approx. $3.60) and some make 5,000 per day. That's the width of the middle class. Millions make even less than 180 per day. All I can do is be thankful that I was born where I was born - which allowed me to have the privileges that I do - and try to be humble about it. The last thing I would ever do is be a douche nozzle to the locals because of it.
This is very great. I also wanted to live in Philipines for some time and still do. I think it must be a great experience after all. But honestly, I didn't know that it was so dangerous there. I guess it's relatively safe anyway, compared to most of the part of South America or Africa. So yeah, you just need to be a bit cautious, and nothing bad will happen
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