Important announcement from Primedice - page 5.

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Quote from: arallmuus on April 30, 2015, 10:37:18 AM

Quote from: twister on April 30, 2015, 10:17:44 AM

Is using VPN and TOR safe? I have seen people getting their email accounts getting compromised using TOR. Don't know if it's the same for VPN?

VPN supposed to be safe as I believe that it is a 1 way access, you to VPN and not VPN to you, so there is no risk of getting your laptop compromised. As for TOR, as long as you dont access email using TOR , I doubt that your email account can be compromise as well

I don't plan to use neither. It's just that I have seen people on this forum complain that they got their email/btctalk account compromised and it was because they were using TOR. And I was just wondering if it could happen using VPN as well.

Thanks for explaining that it might be safe to use VPN.

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Quote from: twister on April 30, 2015, 10:17:44 AM

So this announcement is in regard with what happened with Micon.

Could be that as a reason, Stunna might not want to have some issue with this in the future

Quote from: twister on April 30, 2015, 10:17:44 AM

I think the majority of players on PD were from US

I believe the majority is russian, that is why they have their own chat channel (feel free to correct if it is false)

Quote from: twister on April 30, 2015, 10:17:44 AM

Is using VPN and TOR safe? I have seen people getting their email accounts getting compromised using TOR. Don't know if it's the same for VPN?

VPN supposed to be safe as I believe that it is a 1 way access, you to VPN and not VPN to you, so there is no risk of getting your laptop compromised. As for TOR, as long as you dont access email using TOR , I doubt that your email account can be compromise as well

To stunna : is it allowed to use VPN/TOR to access the site and deposit if you are a resident of the US?

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So this announcement is in regard with what happened with Micon. Too bad for US players as I think the majority of players on PD were from US and now they have to use alternate ways of connecting and playing on PD.

Is using VPN and TOR safe? I have seen people getting their email accounts getting compromised using TOR. Don't know if it's the same for VPN?

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Quote from: omahapoker on April 30, 2015, 09:01:12 AM

right nw Antigua won WTO case against US for gambling. your safe there with license

The case about Antigua was around an year back, and they didn't exactly win. As for the license it would be a lot of legal expense to get.

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right nw Antigua won WTO case against US for gambling. your safe there with license

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Quote from: Slark on April 30, 2015, 06:50:30 AM

Quote from: shulio on April 30, 2015, 02:50:43 AM

Quote from: bitbaby on April 30, 2015, 02:44:28 AM

Quote from: EternalWingsofGod on April 30, 2015, 02:34:09 AM

It makes sense considering that Nevada is on the crackdown right now
Following the same path as satoshdice did and luckybit avoid the US.
Anyways best of luck with your legal manueveuring.

But I don't think a site which is not operating in USA is going to have any problems. And I don't understand how avoiding players from US is going to help anything?

Bitcoin gambling is illegal in US and sites like coinbase has been heavilly shutting down account that has funds consifiscated from gambling. This is to ensure themselves that no harm will be done to them by the legal regarding this issue. This might be Stunna's concern as well, better safe than sorry

It is just bitcoin gambling or online gambling with any FIAT is forbidden in the US? I was sure that certain states have different and more liberated laws regarding gambling. Is that mean if I gamble online from US I will be prosecuted? It is insane, first project PRISM then this. And they say that USA is a country of freedom.

It's not, US laws are bent to cater to the rich elite 1% and those in politics. No longer is that country the land of dreams it is a police state cesspool and any fools trying to immigrate there are making a huge mistake. Times have changed.

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Quote from: xetsr on April 30, 2015, 08:01:47 AM

Quote from: BTCBuyAndSell on April 30, 2015, 07:39:45 AM

Why this is a problem for some US players? there are so many dice sites out there

Because primedice is one of the most trusted sites out there. After seeing other dice sites disappear, why trust any other? Dadice could end up like the rest....

Watch out from all the new scammy dice sites popping up over the next few days. Someone will take advantage of this. Inexperienced users should also be very careful with TOR.

This will end badly for US players.

I think you are right, carefully using tor. may later have other problems

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Quote from: Slark on April 30, 2015, 06:50:30 AM

It is just bitcoin gambling or online gambling with any FIAT is forbidden in the US? I was sure that certain states have different and more liberated laws regarding gambling. Is that mean if I gamble online from US I will be prosecuted? It is insane, first project PRISM then this. And they say that USA is a country of freedom.

Licensed sites are allowed to operate in any country , but getting the license is the tough thing. Getting a license to run a bitcoin gambling site is almost impossible.
The whole news seems to have followed the Micon case at SWC.

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Quote from: BTCBuyAndSell on April 30, 2015, 07:39:45 AM

Why this is a problem for some US players? there are so many dice sites out there

Because primedice is one of the most trusted sites out there. After seeing other dice sites disappear, why trust any other? Dadice could end up like the rest....

Watch out from all the new scammy dice sites popping up over the next few days. Someone will take advantage of this. Inexperienced users should also be very careful with TOR.

This will end badly for US players.

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Quote from: Satu on April 30, 2015, 07:42:23 AM

Chill guys, there is still VPN and Tor browser out there. I dont think it will affect Primedice so much.

It definitely will, a lot of people don't feel safe with their funds while using TOR, as accounts on other sites have been hacked in the past by using TOR. But VPN would definitely be a better option.

Quote from: kotwica666 on April 30, 2015, 07:45:25 AM

Is that law valid on whole territory of United States? or there are any exceptions?

There isn't a law as such, just that they target particular sites, mostly the major gambling bitcoin sites. And to be safe from that, Stunna took the decision to shut down operations in the US.

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Quote from: BTCBuyAndSell on April 30, 2015, 07:39:45 AM

Why this is a problem for some US players? there are so many dice sites out there

agreed with you that is not big problem for them, dadice is still open for US players and they can move to there,
many alternative solutions available to hide indentity using Tor and VPN.

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Is that law valid on whole territory of United States? or there are any exceptions?

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Chill guys, there is still VPN and Tor browser out there. I dont think it will affect Primedice so much.

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Why this is a problem for some US players? there are so many dice sites out there

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Quote from: RussianRaibow on April 30, 2015, 06:36:46 AM

Quote from: LiQuidx on April 30, 2015, 06:31:08 AM

Quote from: RussianRaibow on April 30, 2015, 06:27:12 AM

I dont get it. How do you detect users whether they are from USA or NOT, while they are using Tor and paying in Bitcoin. If a Tor user from Russia uses the exit node of USA, then how will you treat him/her ? If someone is playing from Australia and using a US based wallet/exchange for deposit/withdrawal, will he be barred too ?

To PrimeDice's eyes if you are using an exit node from US then you will be detected and blocked since the block is on IP-range level. Using an exit node from US shows that the request is made from within US therefore it will be blocked.

So, if an user is actually from USA, but using Tor to use an exit node from Netherlands, he'll be allowed to play ? This is fallacy. This is how PD can not avoid to fall under US jurisdiction.

Yes, they will be allowed to play. You can always check your IP on TOR, to make sure your IP isn't from US, before accessing the site to play.

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Quote from: RussianRaibow on April 30, 2015, 06:36:46 AM

Quote from: LiQuidx on April 30, 2015, 06:31:08 AM

Quote from: RussianRaibow on April 30, 2015, 06:27:12 AM

I dont get it. How do you detect users whether they are from USA or NOT, while they are using Tor and paying in Bitcoin. If a Tor user from Russia uses the exit node of USA, then how will you treat him/her ? If someone is playing from Australia and using a US based wallet/exchange for deposit/withdrawal, will he be barred too ?

To PrimeDice's eyes if you are using an exit node from US then you will be detected and blocked since the block is on IP-range level. Using an exit node from US shows that the request is made from within US therefore it will be blocked.

So, if an user is actually from USA, but using Tor to use an exit node from Netherlands, he'll be allowed to play ? This is fallacy. This is how PD can not avoid to fall under US jurisdiction.

Yes this is correct. And that's how users from USA can still play there, bypassing any geo-location restrictions. PD can't take responsibility if a user does that since it's on the user's end weather or not he will do that.

Quote from: BTCBuyAndSell on April 30, 2015, 06:31:48 AM

What other countries are blocked aside from US? Is vpn blocked too?

VPNs are not blocked. Users from the US can still access the site using a VPN.

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Quote from: shulio on April 30, 2015, 02:50:43 AM

Quote from: bitbaby on April 30, 2015, 02:44:28 AM

Quote from: EternalWingsofGod on April 30, 2015, 02:34:09 AM

It makes sense considering that Nevada is on the crackdown right now
Following the same path as satoshdice did and luckybit avoid the US.
Anyways best of luck with your legal manueveuring.

But I don't think a site which is not operating in USA is going to have any problems. And I don't understand how avoiding players from US is going to help anything?

Bitcoin gambling is illegal in US and sites like coinbase has been heavilly shutting down account that has funds consifiscated from gambling. This is to ensure themselves that no harm will be done to them by the legal regarding this issue. This might be Stunna's concern as well, better safe than sorry

It is just bitcoin gambling or online gambling with any FIAT is forbidden in the US? I was sure that certain states have different and more liberated laws regarding gambling. Is that mean if I gamble online from US I will be prosecuted? It is insane, first project PRISM then this. And they say that USA is a country of freedom.

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Quote from: LiQuidx on April 30, 2015, 06:31:08 AM

Quote from: RussianRaibow on April 30, 2015, 06:27:12 AM

I dont get it. How do you detect users whether they are from USA or NOT, while they are using Tor and paying in Bitcoin. If a Tor user from Russia uses the exit node of USA, then how will you treat him/her ? If someone is playing from Australia and using a US based wallet/exchange for deposit/withdrawal, will he be barred too ?

To PrimeDice's eyes if you are using an exit node from US then you will be detected and blocked since the block is on IP-range level. Using an exit node from US shows that the request is made from within US therefore it will be blocked.

So, if an user is actually from USA, but using Tor to use an exit node from Netherlands, he'll be allowed to play ? This is fallacy. This is how PD can not avoid to fall under US jurisdiction.

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well knew this would come eventually; its regrettable but I will have to find other venues for bitcoin dice.

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