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Topic: Important announcement from Primedice - page 6. (Read 15445 times)

newbie
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April 30, 2015, 06:31:48 AM
#24
What other countries are blocked aside from US? Is vpn blocked too?
hero member
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April 30, 2015, 06:31:08 AM
#23
Friends,

Effective immediately Primedice will no longer accept deposits from visitors located within certain jurisdictions including the US. While Primedice is neither operated nor based in the USA, we've chosen to take proactive measures to mitigate long term risk for our users and service. The legal landscape is quickly shifting and we are choosing to completely block deposits from users located in what we've deemed as higher risk jurisdictions.

Primedice does not make use of US currency nor banking, and this block is not recognition that bitcoin gambling is illegal. This decision has been solely based off of discussions between Primedice and our legal counsel.

I know this news will disappoint many of you, however we're strong believers in Bitcoin and are playing defensively to secure our long term position at the top of this rapidly growing industry.  We're confident that every major online casino will accept Bitcoin within the next five years and we're determined to compete directly with them by continuing to create new disruptive experiences. We've been lucky enough to see the transformative power of Bitcoin with regards to gambling from a first hand perspective and are confident this is the right decision moving forward.

Thank You,

Primedice Team

I dont get it. How do you detect users whether they are from USA or NOT, while they are using Tor and paying in Bitcoin. If a Tor user from Russia uses the exit node of USA, then how will you treat him/her ?

To PrimeDice's eyes if you are using an exit node from US then you will be detected and blocked since the block is on IP-range level. Using an exit node from US shows that the request is made from within US therefore it will be blocked.
hero member
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April 30, 2015, 06:28:10 AM
#22
should have given us players a week or two to try to win btc loss at pd.




if i knew i couldnt bet there anymore. i would have had one last chance to get 3 greens in a row there.  seen it done once

You still have the chance to do that since it has been already told. You can use a VPN to bypass that restriction.
hero member
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I AM A SCAMMER
April 30, 2015, 06:27:12 AM
#21
Friends,

Effective immediately Primedice will no longer accept deposits from visitors located within certain jurisdictions including the US. While Primedice is neither operated nor based in the USA, we've chosen to take proactive measures to mitigate long term risk for our users and service. The legal landscape is quickly shifting and we are choosing to completely block deposits from users located in what we've deemed as higher risk jurisdictions.

Primedice does not make use of US currency nor banking, and this block is not recognition that bitcoin gambling is illegal. This decision has been solely based off of discussions between Primedice and our legal counsel.

I know this news will disappoint many of you, however we're strong believers in Bitcoin and are playing defensively to secure our long term position at the top of this rapidly growing industry.  We're confident that every major online casino will accept Bitcoin within the next five years and we're determined to compete directly with them by continuing to create new disruptive experiences. We've been lucky enough to see the transformative power of Bitcoin with regards to gambling from a first hand perspective and are confident this is the right decision moving forward.

Thank You,

Primedice Team

I dont get it. How do you detect users whether they are from USA or NOT, while they are using Tor and paying in Bitcoin. If a Tor user from Russia uses the exit node of USA, then how will you treat him/her ? If someone is playing from Australia and using a US based wallet/exchange for deposit/withdrawal, will he be barred too ?
hero member
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April 30, 2015, 06:21:04 AM
#20
should have given us players a week or two to try to win btc loss at pd.




if i knew i couldnt bet there anymore. i would have had one last chance to get 3 greens in a row there.  seen it done once
hero member
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April 30, 2015, 06:05:54 AM
#19
Sad to hear. Hope business still goes well.
hero member
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April 30, 2015, 04:08:43 AM
#18
Stunna took right decision to make this announcement to protect his business as well as players funds. This will boost the use of tor and vpn to access gambling site from all over the united states. I think users from united states will be allowed continuously to play on PD if they use tor or vpn.
hero member
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April 30, 2015, 03:52:53 AM
#17
Kind of surprised to hear this, even though Primedice is not based in US . Whats the reason behind this move ? Any chance it is related to the case against SwC ?
People can still use TOR, and maybe you can actually promote that service ,as someone from the US using TOR wouldn't put you in the risk .
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
April 30, 2015, 03:41:33 AM
#16
What is not clear is this, will players from U.S not be accepted at all ? If people use tor or VPN service to play from U.S what about them. I have read all comments above but didn't find satisfactory answer. This is point to be discussed more clearly.

Yes you will be allowed i guess as in this case its the fault of player and he is cheating in a manner not the site.

If the end user in the USA wants to use the site and goes through the means to access it,and they are using tor or a VPN it would not be the responsibility of the site manager to monitor all proxies.
Simply blocking US IP addresses and using a region block is a reasonable standard of care and would be enough in my opinion.
member
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★YoBit.Net★ 100+ Coins Exchange & Dice
April 30, 2015, 03:31:34 AM
#15
What is not clear is this, will players from U.S not be accepted at all ? If people use tor or VPN service to play from U.S what about them. I have read all comments above but didn't find satisfactory answer. This is point to be discussed more clearly.

Yes you will be allowed i guess as in this case its the fault of player and he is cheating in a manner not the site.
hero member
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April 30, 2015, 03:29:32 AM
#14
What is not clear is this, will players from U.S not be accepted at all ? If people use tor or VPN service to play from U.S what about them. I have read all comments above but didn't find satisfactory answer. This is point to be discussed more clearly.

That will be ok and it's a solution for players in the US. So just use a VPN service if you are located there.
legendary
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April 30, 2015, 03:27:04 AM
#13
What is not clear is this, will players from U.S not be accepted at all ? If people use tor or VPN service to play from U.S what about them. I have read all comments above but didn't find satisfactory answer. This is point to be discussed more clearly.
legendary
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April 30, 2015, 03:02:19 AM
#12
It makes sense considering that Nevada is on the crackdown right now
Following the same path as satoshdice did and luckybit avoid the US.
Anyways best of luck with your legal manueveuring.

But I don't think a site which is not operating in USA is going to have any problems. And I don't understand how avoiding players from US is going to help anything?

Bitcoin gambling is illegal in US and sites like coinbase has been heavilly shutting down account that has funds consifiscated from gambling. This is to ensure themselves that no harm will be done to them by the legal regarding this issue. This might be Stunna's concern as well, better safe than sorry

Just to add on that Stunna likely does not want unneccessary legal trouble or warrants seeking arrest like Bryan Micon
http://www.coindesk.com/nevada-regulators-bitcoin-poker-operator-arrest/

that is great step by Stunna safety of business and players is the first priority and i appriciate this, players from U.S. can play trough using Tor and vpn so there is no restriction about that.
hero member
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April 30, 2015, 02:56:23 AM
#11
It makes sense considering that Nevada is on the crackdown right now
Following the same path as satoshdice did and luckybit avoid the US.
Anyways best of luck with your legal manueveuring.

But I don't think a site which is not operating in USA is going to have any problems. And I don't understand how avoiding players from US is going to help anything?

Bitcoin gambling is illegal in US and sites like coinbase has been heavilly shutting down account that has funds consifiscated from gambling. This is to ensure themselves that no harm will be done to them by the legal regarding this issue. This might be Stunna's concern as well, better safe than sorry

Just to add on that Stunna likely does not want unneccessary legal trouble or warrants seeking arrest like Bryan Micon
http://www.coindesk.com/nevada-regulators-bitcoin-poker-operator-arrest/
sr. member
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Scat The Billionaire
April 30, 2015, 02:54:29 AM
#10
this is not shocked news, just calm down USA players , you still could play using VPN . lets make bitcoin the real freedom sign.
member
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★YoBit.Net★ 100+ Coins Exchange & Dice
April 30, 2015, 02:50:49 AM
#9
It hurts that the best site cannot accept the people from U.S.A. I hope in future U.S.A. also promotes BTC.
legendary
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April 30, 2015, 02:50:43 AM
#8
It makes sense considering that Nevada is on the crackdown right now
Following the same path as satoshdice did and luckybit avoid the US.
Anyways best of luck with your legal manueveuring.

But I don't think a site which is not operating in USA is going to have any problems. And I don't understand how avoiding players from US is going to help anything?

Bitcoin gambling is illegal in US and sites like coinbase has been heavilly shutting down account that has funds consifiscated from gambling. This is to ensure themselves that no harm will be done to them by the legal regarding this issue. This might be Stunna's concern as well, better safe than sorry
hero member
Activity: 812
Merit: 1000
April 30, 2015, 02:44:28 AM
#7
It makes sense considering that Nevada is on the crackdown right now
Following the same path as satoshdice did and luckybit avoid the US.
Anyways best of luck with your legal manueveuring.

But I don't think a site which is not operating in USA is going to have any problems. And I don't understand how avoiding players from US is going to help anything?
hero member
Activity: 700
Merit: 500
April 30, 2015, 02:34:09 AM
#6
It makes sense considering that Nevada is on the crackdown right now
Following the same path as satoshdice did and luckybit avoid the US.
Anyways best of luck with your legal manueveuring.
legendary
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Merit: 1001
April 30, 2015, 02:15:51 AM
#5
better to be safe than sorry.

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