Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013 - page 18.

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Quote from: pixl8tr on August 30, 2013, 08:17:45 PM

Quote from: Sophokles on August 30, 2013, 07:38:08 PM

Quote from: fasmax on August 30, 2013, 07:13:44 PM

Edit: Just looked at the data sheet and that information is there. Last 6 character's are YYWW2C So the it's 2013 week 23.

Yes, that is correct. I also just looked it up. Sorry about the 'week 32' misinformation.

Wonder why they were sitting around for 12 weeks. The story would make a great movie. Mafia, Customs bribes, assassins, and thieves. ;-)

Someone get Mr Chow's agent on the phone! Just warn him payment might be a bit late..

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Quote from: Sophokles on August 30, 2013, 07:38:08 PM

Quote from: fasmax on August 30, 2013, 07:13:44 PM

Edit: Just looked at the data sheet and that information is there. Last 6 character's are YYWW2C So the it's 2013 week 23.

Yes, that is correct. I also just looked it up. Sorry about the 'week 32' misinformation.

Wonder why they were sitting around for 12 weeks. The story would make a great movie. Mafia, Customs bribes, assassins, and thieves. ;-)

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Quote from: Ytterbium on August 30, 2013, 07:38:54 PM

Quote from: ecliptic on August 30, 2013, 07:29:15 PM

that Avalon was holding onto chips and "gradually" releasing them, possibly to check that PCB MFGs are legit..

That's not their job. Their job is to ship chips to the shipping addresses listed for the people who paid $78,000 to order chips from them.

Not saying it is, just a 'wild' theory I had heard. I don't put any faith in it.

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Quote from: ecliptic on August 30, 2013, 07:29:15 PM

that Avalon was holding onto chips and "gradually" releasing them, possibly to check that PCB MFGs are legit..

That's not their job. Their job is to ship chips to the shipping addresses listed for the people who paid $78,000 to order chips from them.

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Quote from: fasmax on August 30, 2013, 07:13:44 PM

Edit: Just looked at the data sheet and that information is there. Last 6 character's are YYWW2C So the it's 2013 week 23.

Yes, that is correct. I also just looked it up. Sorry about the 'week 32' misinformation.

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Hmm, interesting. There is one other theory I had heard, but thus far no real credible evidence for.. that Avalon was holding onto chips and "gradually" releasing them, possibly to check that PCB MFGs are legit.. If the MFG timestamps on the ASICs line up with it, that might explain it, but why would they hide this purpose? It would tip their hand to the PCB assemblers, that they'd be that paranoid of running off with everything..?

If the chips were manufactured over 2.5 months ago, what could possibly explain them not being shipped?

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Quote from: Ytterbium on August 30, 2013, 07:16:13 PM

Quote from: fasmax on August 30, 2013, 07:13:44 PM

PPY54013232C
I think that 1323 is the date code that would mean 2013 week 23.

Is there anywhere you can look up the datecode refrence?

Usually the meaning of the markings on a chip are specified on the data sheet.
I looked at the Avalon sheet a few mounts ago and don't remember seeing this information.

Edit: Just looked at the data sheet and that information is there. Last 6 character's are YYWW2C So it's 2013 week 23.

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Quote from: Ytterbium on August 30, 2013, 07:16:13 PM

Quote from: fasmax on August 30, 2013, 07:13:44 PM

PPY54013232C
I think that 1323 is the date code that would mean 2013 week 23.

Is there anywhere you can look up the datecode refrence?

I think it is in the .pdf file for the Avalon chip, but I can't find my copy right now.

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Quote from: fasmax on August 30, 2013, 07:13:44 PM

PPY54013232C
I think that 1323 is the date code that would mean 2013 week 23.

Is there anywhere you can look up the datecode refrence?

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Quote from: fasmax on August 30, 2013, 07:13:44 PM

PPY54013232C
I think that 1323 is the date code that would mean 2013 week 23.

That makes more sense to me.

http://www.vercalendario.info/en/print-week-23-2013.html

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PPY54013232C
I think that 1323 is the date code that would mean 2013 week 23.
That would say manufactured June 3 to June 9.

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Quote from: ecliptic on August 30, 2013, 06:53:40 PM

Quote from: fasmax on August 30, 2013, 06:52:32 PM

Quote from: ProfMac on August 30, 2013, 06:24:13 PM

Quote from: ecliptic on August 30, 2013, 06:07:21 PM

Quote from: bigbeninlondon on August 30, 2013, 06:05:20 PM

I'm saying people are citing this theory as fact, when we don't actually know what is happening at all. The real problem at this moment is a lack of full information. We don't know if there was a second batch or not. What if a first batch was contracted privately before the chips were offered to group buys? We don't know. I'm just asking people not state as fact what they don't know. Some people read this and assume the crazytalk is well researched analysis. It's misleading and it isn't helpful.

Again, occam's razor. Saying you know nothing is bullshit. You should have at least the simpliest theory that explains it to go from. Sadly, there's none that make sense that account for what we are seeing AND paint avalon in a good light

Why the fuck did Avalon splinter while chips were being delivered? Custom's doesn't explain that

I have an Avalon chip that has A3256-Q48 designated on it. Does that tell us anything?

If that is all that is printed on the chip it may have been remarked.
If that is the case and you want to try an experiment use a pencil eraser to rub the top of the chip and see if more marking are reviled under the top coat.
It might take a few minuets of rubbing to see a result.

Funny, doubt they would remark it if the chip says it was made CW32. They'd actually want to cover that fact up.

Is this a sample chip with CW32 datemark? That's pretty damning evidence right there, either they ordered them on time, and something happened to the chips, or they waited a long ass time to order.

I bought one of the modules from this event:

Quote from: lukestokes on August 07, 2013, 12:53:17 PM

I plugged it in yesterday, had a little trouble with the USB not being connected, but after a few times taking it apart and putting it back again, I got it working. It ran great all last night and this morning. When I got back after a meeting, this is what I found:

I got my microscope out and read the numbers on one of the chips. The interpretation that the chip was manufactured during week 32, and that the module I have is from Luke's damaged Avalon, says that the Avalon was in Tennessee on Wed of the week that the chips were manufactured. This doesn't fit together tight enough for me.

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Quote from: fasmax on August 30, 2013, 06:52:32 PM

Quote from: ProfMac on August 30, 2013, 06:24:13 PM

Quote from: ecliptic on August 30, 2013, 06:07:21 PM

Quote from: bigbeninlondon on August 30, 2013, 06:05:20 PM

I'm saying people are citing this theory as fact, when we don't actually know what is happening at all. The real problem at this moment is a lack of full information. We don't know if there was a second batch or not. What if a first batch was contracted privately before the chips were offered to group buys? We don't know. I'm just asking people not state as fact what they don't know. Some people read this and assume the crazytalk is well researched analysis. It's misleading and it isn't helpful.

Again, occam's razor. Saying you know nothing is bullshit. You should have at least the simpliest theory that explains it to go from. Sadly, there's none that make sense that account for what we are seeing AND paint avalon in a good light

Why the fuck did Avalon splinter while chips were being delivered? Custom's doesn't explain that

I have an Avalon chip that has A3256-Q48 designated on it. Does that tell us anything?

If that is all that is printed on the chip it may have been remarked.
If that is the case and you want to try an experiment use a pencil eraser to rub the top of the chip and see if more marking are reviled under the top coat.
It might take a few minuets of rubbing to see a result.

Funny, doubt they would remark it if the chip says it was made CW32. They'd actually want to cover that fact up.

Is this a sample chip with CW32 datemark? That's pretty damning evidence right there, either they ordered them on time, and something happened to the chips, or they waited a long ass time to order.

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Quote from: ProfMac on August 30, 2013, 06:24:13 PM

Quote from: ecliptic on August 30, 2013, 06:07:21 PM

Quote from: bigbeninlondon on August 30, 2013, 06:05:20 PM

I'm saying people are citing this theory as fact, when we don't actually know what is happening at all. The real problem at this moment is a lack of full information. We don't know if there was a second batch or not. What if a first batch was contracted privately before the chips were offered to group buys? We don't know. I'm just asking people not state as fact what they don't know. Some people read this and assume the crazytalk is well researched analysis. It's misleading and it isn't helpful.

Again, occam's razor. Saying you know nothing is bullshit. You should have at least the simpliest theory that explains it to go from. Sadly, there's none that make sense that account for what we are seeing AND paint avalon in a good light

Why the fuck did Avalon splinter while chips were being delivered? Custom's doesn't explain that

I have an Avalon chip that has A3256-Q48 designated on it. Does that tell us anything?

If that is all that is printed on the chip it may have been remarked.
If that is the case and you want to try an experiment use a pencil eraser to rub the top of the chip and see if more marking are reviled under the top coat.
It might take a few minuets of rubbing to see a result.

Edit: Never mind show have read reply before posting this.

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Week 32 is the week that started on August 5th, so that chip is somewhere between 18 and 25 days old.

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Quote from: ProfMac on August 30, 2013, 06:42:00 PM

Quote from: fasmax on August 30, 2013, 06:31:20 PM

It tells us it's an Avalon chip.
The -Q48 is the package type. 48 lead QFN package.
Usually there are additional marking for the year and week of manufacture.

The bottom line reads PPY54013232C

manufactured in calendar week 32

edit: it is actually week 23.

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Quote from: bigbeninlondon on August 30, 2013, 06:40:05 PM

Quote from: ProfMac on August 30, 2013, 06:38:25 PM

I just found this in another thread. It seems to document that one batch of Avalon chips was actually in customs for 60 days or so.

Quote from: prodigits7 on August 14, 2013, 01:24:25 PM

Ok everybody, as promised, I have an update on the Avalon chips shipment status. I just got off the phone with Gary, the account manager for this particular case and this is exactly what he told me:

This shipment has been on hold by US Customs in New York since June 12th. He said that these are extremely extenuating circumstances because the most shipments ever get held up by Customs is about 30 days, so this is WAY past that. He also mentioned that US Customs has been non-cooperative when it comes to conveying any communication on the status of this case. So Gary and his company, they're all having a special meeting next Wednesday together with the Director of the US Customs of New York.

So we should have more information late Wednesday night. I will update you as soon as I get briefed on the matter.

Hope this helps shed a little more light on this unfortunate incident.

This is ragingazn628's group buy. The chips in question are sample chips. And they were held up in NY customs. And we still don't have those chips.

Not a very good example, ragingazn628 has been very sketchy the whole time.

No other group buy had issues with sample chips. They arrived prompty without any issues at customs.

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Quote from: pajak666 on August 30, 2013, 06:32:55 PM

and ofc Yifu deciding to make refunds instantly after this pictures came out is just a coincidence

EDIT: sorry, I forgot... It was bad for his chi

What picture?

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Quote from: fasmax on August 30, 2013, 06:31:20 PM

It tells us it's an Avalon chip.
The -Q48 is the package type. 48 lead QFN package.
Usually there are additional marking for the year and week of manufacture.

The bottom line reads PPY54013232C

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Quote from: ProfMac on August 30, 2013, 06:38:25 PM

I just found this in another thread. It seems to document that one batch of Avalon chips was actually in customs for 60 days or so.

Quote from: prodigits7 on August 14, 2013, 01:24:25 PM

Ok everybody, as promised, I have an update on the Avalon chips shipment status. I just got off the phone with Gary, the account manager for this particular case and this is exactly what he told me:

This shipment has been on hold by US Customs in New York since June 12th. He said that these are extremely extenuating circumstances because the most shipments ever get held up by Customs is about 30 days, so this is WAY past that. He also mentioned that US Customs has been non-cooperative when it comes to conveying any communication on the status of this case. So Gary and his company, they're all having a special meeting next Wednesday together with the Director of the US Customs of New York.

So we should have more information late Wednesday night. I will update you as soon as I get briefed on the matter.

Hope this helps shed a little more light on this unfortunate incident.

This is ragingazn628's group buy. The chips in question are sample chips. And they were held up in NY customs. And we still don't have those chips.

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