Increase in cost of running the family - page 3.

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Quote from: harapan on November 26, 2022, 07:53:23 AM

I'll have to disagree with part of your first paragraph. Despite the technological advancement of this era it is more difficult to raise a child in this time. During the old days the cost of raising a child was lesser than today. A child might not need a formal education in those times. Most of the population grow what they eat. You don't have to pay the amount of bills we pay today. Utility bills like electricity, gas, water, streaming channels, Tv, Phone bills etc where not really there.

Lets get through your post.
So you are saying that living in 1800 without electricity, car, tap water was easier because you did not have to pay utility bills for those services? Man you can always resign from it, not use it and don't pay it.
So you are saying that living in 1800 was easier because you did not have to pay for netflix and TV?
So you are saying that its impossible to live and raise children without netflix and TV?

Strange logic that is hard to relate to without sarcasm

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This is also one of the impact of the inflation we are having and high level of poverty increasing daily, the family is in a big time finding it difficult especially in meeting up with the family needs, i also blame some family for relenting only on the husband fir sustainability, what if anything tragic happens, they family or both parents were expected to have something doing that could help the family rely in difficult situations whereby things were becoming unaffordable, the other partner will help in assisting to cover that up using out of their own income, it's because things were expensive that makes it difficult for the family to cope with the influence of inflation in running the family needs.

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Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on November 25, 2022, 04:24:56 AM

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so you're saying that, mostly without electricity, washing machine, refrigerator, diapers, car, internet, advanced farm tools and other inventions of the last 200 years, women gave birth to 6 children (on average!) and now it's impossible to raise second child? nah. People are just lazy nawadays or are focused too much to get new iphone, clothes with good brands, netflix, tiktok, youtube, etc.

The less money a family has, the more children are born. Its a well known fact. You just have to focus on building instead of complaining.

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I'll have to disagree with part of your first paragraph. Despite the technological advancement of this era it is more difficult to raise a child in this time. During the old days the cost of raising a child was lesser than today. A child might not need a formal education in those times. Most of the population grow what they eat. You don't have to pay the amount of bills we pay today. Utility bills like electricity, gas, water, streaming channels, Tv, Phone bills etc where not really there.

Taking care of yourself alone right now is difficult let alone two children. Yea I agree that some are lazy and not ready to work but you can't generalize like that.

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Quote from: gantez on November 25, 2022, 03:29:41 AM

This friend of mine now complain so much because of the new child adding to his family. If we reduce the child bearing to the amount we can take care , it will reduce the heat we are feeling from the bad economy experience.

actually it doesn't matter if you add any number of children if it's already your responsibility to build a family.
your friend should not have to complain about it all. because if someone has the intention to build a household, they will know everything that must be done, such as raising children, etc. and your friend should think how to continue to be able to earn money to raise his family to survive, it would be better than complaining about the new child

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Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on November 25, 2022, 05:40:04 AM

Quote from: Zaguru12 on November 25, 2022, 05:09:14 AM

I have to agree that these technology advancement has actually caused laziness.

But do you also consider the cost of spending on them and having a large number of children. The father mostly caters for every member of his family in this age. Long where the time where more children means more wealth mostly by farmers who has large portion of farms to farm on. Some of these children turn to there own farming at 18+ and helps the father cater for the family. Not now that at 18 some are just getting into obtaining degree and the father caters for everything.

So I will say the act of reducing birth rate now isn't just laziness but cutting cost down and yeah it's a good strategy. Because these days children prefer to have everything done for them. Sadly there isn't much we can do to change that

if you have 1 spoiled child who always got whatever they dreamed of you will end up with 30 yo parasite that continues to live with you and cannot cope with life on his own.

If you have 6 children you have little more work. The older ones take care of the younger ones, help around the house and go to work from the age of 18 to raise their and their family's standard of living because he knows that every penny is worth the effort. You don't help your mum when you see, she is watching netflix 2h daily. You don't go to work for minimal wage when you just get iphone worth 2 months of your work, for free, from parents.

If it was possible to have 5 kids in 1800 its possible to have it now. People just forget what they really need, and what they need only because its widely advertised and hyped.

This makes sense, I have a friend who has a spoiled child, almost half of his pay check goes to whatever the child wants and there goes another friend who has 3 children who I would say were raised well in terms of responsibility and knows how hard it is to earn money. For me it doesn't really matter how many kids you have, it all falls on how you will let them understand how the world works and how to be responsible. My concern is those who are earning beyond minimum wage or who is jobless have more kids compared to those who are earning stable. The inflation hurts so much, electricity bills in our country costs 25% more, grocery products costs crazy, even vegetable prices went up to 100% in just a few months. It's difficult to give a proper living to a household nowadays if you are earning minimum.

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Quote from: Zaguru12 on November 25, 2022, 05:09:14 AM

I have to agree that these technology advancement has actually caused laziness.

But do you also consider the cost of spending on them and having a large number of children. The father mostly caters for every member of his family in this age. Long where the time where more children means more wealth mostly by farmers who has large portion of farms to farm on. Some of these children turn to there own farming at 18+ and helps the father cater for the family. Not now that at 18 some are just getting into obtaining degree and the father caters for everything.

So I will say the act of reducing birth rate now isn't just laziness but cutting cost down and yeah it's a good strategy. Because these days children prefer to have everything done for them. Sadly there isn't much we can do to change that

He is just causing a little bit of trouble to get attention and that’s it, some people align their ideas to the extremes to get the most attention. It is true that it is very difficult to have second children these days, obviously not impossible since some people do have 2 3 even 4 children, some even more that’s fine and they can do that and as long as they can afford to, there is no trouble with it.

But, we have to realize that 200 years ago people could have 6 children and provide almost nothing to do them aside from clothing and food, these days all those technological improvements are not there to just help you, but also make you spend money, meaning people need a lot more stuff to buy to raise a child, meaning a lot more cost.

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Quote from: gantez on November 25, 2022, 03:29:41 AM

This friend of mine now complain so much because of the new child adding to his family. If we reduce the child bearing to the amount we can take care , it will reduce the heat we are feeling from the bad economy experience.

He's in no right to complain that lot when he chose that path of his life. Either of the sides will create problems.

In some countries like Japan, people there tend to choose being single until they grow old up to retirement. See, there's also the problem that it'll create from either having or not having a baby.

I'd say that choose to be happy but at the same time, be responsible from making your own family. Be the greatest provider if you're the father.

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Quote from: Hamphser on November 25, 2022, 04:25:57 PM

Quote from: gantez on November 25, 2022, 03:29:41 AM

I see that this is reality that the cost of running the family house hold daily, weekly, monthly and yearly has increased. From different people that have complained and including friends, it is getting so much of frustration to taking good care of the family to live fine because inflation and no job. To buy basic need in the house not easy. A friend that have add a new born to his home complaining of buying diaper, provisions for the new child as expensive in addition to the expenses to take care of the other children. The situation of bringing up the family is not easy and I think one way to helping ourselves not to add more financial burden is by reducing the number of children we give birth to. This can help.

This friend of mine now complain so much because of the new child adding to his family. If we reduce the child bearing to the amount we can take care , it will reduce the heat we are feeling from the bad economy experience.

This is why family planning is relevant or something that people should be minding which they shouldnt really bear a child if they arent financially ready or capable on doing so.It would really be an another expense

and if you do see that you are still not that prepared because of not enough money to be saved out from your salary, then why would decide on having another child?
Some cant just avoid since its there and treating it up that it was an accident.The worst thing is that there are mothers who do leave out their newborns on a trashcan
(mostly 3rd world countries).

As father or a man who would be raising up a family then everything should come up with a plan.You cant just carelessly make your wife bare a child if you arent financially prepared.
You would really be finding yourself on big trouble on raising up your kids if you arent that prepared.

I extremely hatred the act of throwing children in the trash no matter how difficult the economy. If we are not strong enough financially and cannot afford to take care of them, then it is best not to give birth to them. But why do you emphasize that this only happens in 3rd countries, 3rd countries have a harder economy than others but that doesn't mean they don't have humanity. The act of abandoning your child happens everywhere with inhuman people.

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Sadly the reality is hitting us these days. Due to wars from other country, many countries is now with a high inflation rate right now (or maybe the whole world is experiencing it). Its not about why people is lazy doing work, but is that no available work due to recession, businesses is forced to close. (we set aside the online jobs that we can find, because most of the physical worker have no idea/less idea about it). For so now i don't want to add my children coz i don't want them to feel the impact of this global problem.

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Quote from: Kasabus on November 25, 2022, 04:42:39 PM

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Quote from: gantez on November 25, 2022, 03:29:41 AM

This friend of mine now complain so much because of the new child adding to his family. If we reduce the child bearing to the amount we can take care , it will reduce the heat we are feeling from the bad economy experience.

In my religion having more members in your family means you will get good sustenance later in afterlife and this world and I do still remember and take an account of that if I got a chance to raise the child later.
But still take into account before give a birth though, sometimes it is good to just limit it with what you are capable for. But it's just up to you to decide that.

There will be a way to get the income when you are into that point.

Yes, there will always be ways but it may be hard and tough not only for you but also for your kids too. So if we can plan ahead before raising a child, that will be more good for all of us because we parents can also give the best in life that our children deserve. That is why the government introduce family planning to all parents so they can plan ahead before raising a child.

Family planning and contraception are mostly introduced to families and also given for free so that they can prevent unwanted pregnancies. Though there are still other families that don't take this seriously, that is why the world population is still increasing at an incredible rate. We can't blame the government now, as they are doing their best. Only the people who are really not taking it seriously do, but if ever people really followed this, I am sure that the poverty rate would decrease and also the crime rate.

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I have tried to include basic and necessary costs in calculating and managing my household expenses to identify sources of savings by switching providers to utilities or canceling other non-essential services because The minimum amount for a standard living standard of a simple family is about $370 per month for 4 people and that's at least once and what is certain is that during the impact of this recession, the need for living expenses is very much felt.

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I hope your friend does not show to the young child that he/she is just an additional burden and that he/she is never planned or wanted at all, though. It is never the child's problem at all. It is never the child's choice that he/she be born in this topsy-turvy world of ours.

An increase in the prices of goods and services also means we need to work more. It means we need to find other sources of income, to find ways to augment our limited earnings, to reduce unnecessary consumption, and so on.

There is really no point complaining about a newborn child. If your friend didn't want him/her, it is your friend that is to blame, not the kid!

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family needs will definitely increase, if a new child is born. but know, children are a gift from God. yes indeed we have to buy equipment such as diapers for babies or others. but I'm sure all of that is a struggle that will pay off someday.

when it comes to inflation and jobs, everyone has their own setbacks.

in this world there is no person who does not experience tribulations and trials. everyone in this world is struggling to face the test and the hard life he lives. so hold on, be patient, and keep fighting.

it means nothing to you, if you always complain but you are lazy and don't do anything. this is my experience.

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I understand how your friend feels. Even folks who are unmarried are not expemted from the harsh econonic situations. I read a story somewhere of a young whose uncle specifically told him to reduce the frequency of his visits to his house because the cost of food items has increased. According to the story, this young man would visit his Uncle's family almost 4 times every week. He would also eat their food. So I can expect the reaction. On the other hand to cushion the negative effects of the failing economy on the family, I suggest that both parents should have their own sources of income or contribute financially to the running of the home.

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If you are broke enough to not completely feed yourself or someone and no savings in your bank, then you should stay single until you have savings in your bank that can feed you and your partner. Let's not blame your situation to your child because first and foremost it's not the child's problem if you can't feed them or you have a financial problem.

Having a child is a full responsibility of a parents and you shouldn't have one if you are so irresponsible thinking it's just like feeding someone like in a feeding center because having a child is a lifetime responsibility.

Now, the problem is not with you, it's in the economy so you should know that inflation happen too often and you should have at least a decent job or business that could run your entire family or else you can't afford to be living with a child if you haven't had a decent job/business.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on November 25, 2022, 06:15:35 PM

Quote from: Viscore on November 25, 2022, 05:59:05 PM

First and foremost, we should not keep on bearing a child if we have struggles in our finances because that will only make the child more unwanted because of not offering him/her the best things in life he deserved. It’s better to raise limited number of children like 2 or 3 because even if the parents are poor, they can still find ways to survive and send them into schools. While for those who are already struggling to survive, and yet they keep on bearing a child, most likely those parents cannot perform well as parents to their children and their children will be also deprived from the things that they deserved to have.

this is why there's so-called family planning. you don't blame the burden on a newborn child because he has nothing to do with your financial difficulties. this is on parents' responsibilities how they will plan on things. if they are not capable of having another one, then, why produce another one? children deserve to have a decent living. so if you can't provide at least their basic necessities, then, don't think of adding more to the family.

Ive seen some people or fathers who do really took the blame on why they do have a child whether directly or it would be passed up into his wife which is a bullshit kind of act.

You do make sex and there were no questions asked or you both like it.You should know the risk and if you arent prepared then you shouldnt have done sex at all
or simply have those contraceptives which it does really have t hat purpose.

Dont make blames as this thing was done on your liking and no objections.If you dont like to have an another child then do the right thing
when it comes to control.

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Inflation, increased expenses, soaring rent costs, and poor wages make it almost impossible to raise a family. Children now require much more attention than in the past; a foreign language and an activity are a must nowadays. These things weren't considered necessary in the 1950s, and what I mentioned is often the bare minimum. On top of that, benefits for larger families have been cut off, with most families now opting to have one child at most.

The west is suffering lower birth rates for the reasons mentioned above. Third world countries, on the other hand, continue to have an abundance of children, often lacking what we consider necessary.

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Quote from: Viscore on November 25, 2022, 05:59:05 PM

First and foremost, we should not keep on bearing a child if we have struggles in our finances because that will only make the child more unwanted because of not offering him/her the best things in life he deserved. It’s better to raise limited number of children like 2 or 3 because even if the parents are poor, they can still find ways to survive and send them into schools. While for those who are already struggling to survive, and yet they keep on bearing a child, most likely those parents cannot perform well as parents to their children and their children will be also deprived from the things that they deserved to have.

this is why there's so-called family planning. you don't blame the burden on a newborn child because he has nothing to do with your financial difficulties. this is on parents' responsibilities how they will plan on things. if they are not capable of having another one, then, why produce another one? children deserve to have a decent living. so if you can't provide at least their basic necessities, then, don't think of adding more to the family.

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Quote from: gantez on November 25, 2022, 03:29:41 AM

I see that this is reality that the cost of running the family house hold daily, weekly, monthly and yearly has increased. From different people that have complained and including friends, it is getting so much of frustration to taking good care of the family to live fine because inflation and no job. To buy basic need in the house not easy. A friend that have add a new born to his home complaining of buying diaper, provisions for the new child as expensive in addition to the expenses to take care of the other children. The situation of bringing up the family is not easy and I think one way to helping ourselves not to add more financial burden is by reducing the number of children we give birth to. This can help.

This friend of mine now complain so much because of the new child adding to his family. If we reduce the child bearing to the amount we can take care , it will reduce the heat we are feeling from the bad economy experience.

First and foremost, we should not keep on bearing a child if we have struggles in our finances because that will only make the child more unwanted because of not offering him/her the best things in life he deserved. It’s better to raise limited number of children like 2 or 3 because even if the parents are poor, they can still find ways to survive and send them into schools. While for those who are already struggling to survive, and yet they keep on bearing a child, most likely those parents cannot perform well as parents to their children and their children will be also deprived from the things that they deserved to have.

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Quote from: gantez on November 25, 2022, 08:21:44 AM

Quote from: sulendra12 on November 25, 2022, 08:05:19 AM

There will be a way to get the income when you are into that point.

This is what people do and they are ending up with children not taking care of at the end when they have hope of tomorrow that is not sure. Tomorrow is future and can go left or right, good or bad. If you having no good plan for tomorrow no need to plan for it on tomorrow if you don't plan you have plans on how to fail. When you believe in income after you get into that point, you will depend on luck and rely to gamble on anything which begin frustration.

My fault to not actually clarify the whole point with my half-assed sentence.

The motivation of seeking a job when you have no job and you have child(s) to raise, so you have urge to actually seek a job to earn money for your child. Of course only relying on luck isn't good for your health both physical and mental wise and I don't recommend it ever, that's why we have criminal and any similar bad stuff there.

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