Jack and dolph, yes and yes.
Could boxes be opened sure. There is a top of the line authenticator, I forget right now and these boxes should all be run through them
And dolph, miscuts were so prevalent back then, def a risk
But this box should never be opened. If this box is at a card auction, no matter what other item was there (even if more expensive, maybe outside of the grail Wagner card) this lot would garner the most interest. In basketball it is the most coveted item and as the years go on it will only grow in value. This sealed box will go for over $100k soon
Topic: [INFO] Topps Allen & Ginter Reference Thread - page 58. (Read 85028 times)
Good discussions all around!
At first I was 100% with catt, but wheelz makes an interesting point with how each box *should* have identical cards (not really left to chance). Unless someone maybe found a way to open and then re-seal the box?
At first I was 100% with catt, but wheelz makes an interesting point with how each box *should* have identical cards (not really left to chance). Unless someone maybe found a way to open and then re-seal the box?
Problem is back in 1986 many cards were off center, miscut, etc. so doubtful you will pull a gem card and also there have been couterfeit packs and boxes out there. Need to be extremely knowledgeable , just my opinion.
Good discussions all around!
At first I was 100% with catt, but wheelz makes an interesting point with how each box *should* have identical cards (not really left to chance). Unless someone maybe found a way to open and then re-seal the box?
At first I was 100% with catt, but wheelz makes an interesting point with how each box *should* have identical cards (not really left to chance). Unless someone maybe found a way to open and then re-seal the box?
Dolpfriends, we are always on the same page 
"could" isn't a hit .... is it? Even if you did get a hit or two, who's to say how it would grade? Too many moving parts, are the cards stuck together, centered, how were they stored....meh....just buy the card.
"could" isn't a hit .... is it? Even if you did get a hit or two, who's to say how it would grade? Too many moving parts, are the cards stuck together, centered, how were they stored....meh....just buy the card.
You are not getting it. You can find 36 (a full box) packs for much cheaper. The value for that item is in the sealed box
And on average you hit 3.27 (3 or 4) of every rookie in the set
Back in 1986 it wasnt random...literally the same cards in the same packs duplicated over and over, not like today so it's pretty much a guarantee 3 are in the box
Why spend that with no guarantee of pulling anything? When you could just buy this:
https://www.ebay.com/i/332834397779?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Db314f425f75e4d109433a4627785f904%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D15%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D362415219954%26itm%3D332834397779
https://www.ebay.com/i/332834397779?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Db314f425f75e4d109433a4627785f904%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D15%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D362415219954%26itm%3D332834397779
If you buy this box you dont open it. And if you did you could by average have 3 of these jordans. Also this is the best rc year for basketball. Karl malone, Ewing, John Stockton, chris Mullins, Charles Barkley, clyde drexler, Dominique, Thomas, etc...
But again the value is keeping it sealed.
3 Jordan's at 18k a piece, that is a nice return.
Why spend that with no guarantee of pulling anything? When you could just buy this:
https://www.ebay.com/i/332834397779?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Db314f425f75e4d109433a4627785f904%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D15%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D362415219954%26itm%3D332834397779
https://www.ebay.com/i/332834397779?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Db314f425f75e4d109433a4627785f904%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D15%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D362415219954%26itm%3D332834397779
I agree with you completely.
I see that there is a higher level of authentication other than grading. DNA testing. At those prices, i can see why.
Dolpfriends, we are always on the same page
"could" isn't a hit .... is it? Even if you did get a hit or two, who's to say how it would grade? Too many moving parts, are the cards stuck together, centered, how were they stored....meh....just buy the card.
"could" isn't a hit .... is it? Even if you did get a hit or two, who's to say how it would grade? Too many moving parts, are the cards stuck together, centered, how were they stored....meh....just buy the card.
Why spend that with no guarantee of pulling anything? When you could just buy this:
https://www.ebay.com/i/332834397779?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Db314f425f75e4d109433a4627785f904%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D15%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D362415219954%26itm%3D332834397779
https://www.ebay.com/i/332834397779?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Db314f425f75e4d109433a4627785f904%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D15%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D362415219954%26itm%3D332834397779
If you buy this box you dont open it. And if you did you could by average have 3 of these jordans. Also this is the best rc year for basketball. Karl malone, Ewing, John Stockton, chris Mullins, Charles Barkley, clyde drexler, Dominique, Thomas, etc...
But again the value is keeping it sealed.
Why spend that with no guarantee of pulling anything? When you could just buy this:
https://www.ebay.com/i/332834397779?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Db314f425f75e4d109433a4627785f904%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D15%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D362415219954%26itm%3D332834397779
https://www.ebay.com/i/332834397779?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Db314f425f75e4d109433a4627785f904%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D15%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D362415219954%26itm%3D332834397779
I agree with you completely.
Why spend that with no guarantee of pulling anything? When you could just buy this:
https://www.ebay.com/i/332834397779?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Db314f425f75e4d109433a4627785f904%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D15%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D362415219954%26itm%3D332834397779
https://www.ebay.com/i/332834397779?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Db314f425f75e4d109433a4627785f904%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D15%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D362415219954%26itm%3D332834397779
Yep without a doubt, I have been lucky enough to have seen the exact 1986 fleer Michael Jordan RC that is displayed in the beckett magazine of the first complete 1986 fleer complete set auction. I forget what month and year of the magazine, but they were all mint graded cards. Probably went for a fortune. 
Here is another thing that PSA grades: Sealed packs.
I sent in a sealed 3-card pack with the crypto card on top. The odds are getting that card on top are lower than a 1/3 of 1 percent. If you were to order a ton of value packs in hopes of getting a crypto card on top - 350 of them, you'd have to pay about $2,300! (3 packs of value backs cost about 20 bucks, 350/3 = 116.67, 116.67 x 20 = 2,333.
If you are in the market for a PSA 10 one, let send me a PM. No pictures yet, they are still sealing it.
I sent in a sealed 3-card pack with the crypto card on top. The odds are getting that card on top are lower than a 1/3 of 1 percent. If you were to order a ton of value packs in hopes of getting a crypto card on top - 350 of them, you'd have to pay about $2,300! (3 packs of value backs cost about 20 bucks, 350/3 = 116.67, 116.67 x 20 = 2,333.
If you are in the market for a PSA 10 one, let send me a PM. No pictures yet, they are still sealing it.
That's a pretty cool pack you got but you cant extrapolate costs like that and how much that turns into value of the pack you own. It should certainly get a little more than the card is worth but not nearly the amount X odds of getting one
i see your point, but i now many of us buy packs with the goal of pulling a certain card (brooklyn, silver 1/1, etc) i'm just trying to make the case that it is better money management to buy the card you want with an analysis to back it up.
I've purchased 2 full cases of ginter cards and an X case. As fun as it was to open those packs, it didn't make financial sense.
Oh absolutely, it's extremely tough to find the card you want on top. I'm an old school sports card collector and still have rack packs with Jerry rice rc on top, graded. Roger Clemens fleer rc on top of a cello pack, Lawrence taylor topps rack pack with taylor rc on top..bonds, Griffey jr, ton of rcs on top. Insanely hard to keep unopened but that's the collector in us all
Wish I just had that jordon 86 fleer rookie card on top
Wow. A Joe Montana 9 grade went for over 1100. A jordan must be off the charts.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Topps-Football-GAI-9-Steiner-PSA-Cello-Pack-Joe-Montana-Autograph-RC-Top/123206348040?hash=item1cafabad08:g:9iEAAOSwMNVa-zQD
The jordon card is the modern day crem de la crem. Older cards mantles, ruth etc obviously hold more weight. I went in balls deep on 88-89 fleet basketball....2 years too late
I was a big collector of rc on top of packs.
Fun fact: 1986 basketball fleet cards were all packaged pretty much the same. So if you got a Dominique rc in the pack you also got a jordon rc, they werent random
Here is another thing that PSA grades: Sealed packs.
I sent in a sealed 3-card pack with the crypto card on top. The odds are getting that card on top are lower than a 1/3 of 1 percent. If you were to order a ton of value packs in hopes of getting a crypto card on top - 350 of them, you'd have to pay about $2,300! (3 packs of value backs cost about 20 bucks, 350/3 = 116.67, 116.67 x 20 = 2,333.
If you are in the market for a PSA 10 one, let send me a PM. No pictures yet, they are still sealing it.
I sent in a sealed 3-card pack with the crypto card on top. The odds are getting that card on top are lower than a 1/3 of 1 percent. If you were to order a ton of value packs in hopes of getting a crypto card on top - 350 of them, you'd have to pay about $2,300! (3 packs of value backs cost about 20 bucks, 350/3 = 116.67, 116.67 x 20 = 2,333.
If you are in the market for a PSA 10 one, let send me a PM. No pictures yet, they are still sealing it.
That's a pretty cool pack you got but you cant extrapolate costs like that and how much that turns into value of the pack you own. It should certainly get a little more than the card is worth but not nearly the amount X odds of getting one
i see your point, but i now many of us buy packs with the goal of pulling a certain card (brooklyn, silver 1/1, etc) i'm just trying to make the case that it is better money management to buy the card you want with an analysis to back it up.
I've purchased 2 full cases of ginter cards and an X case. As fun as it was to open those packs, it didn't make financial sense.
Oh absolutely, it's extremely tough to find the card you want on top. I'm an old school sports card collector and still have rack packs with Jerry rice rc on top, graded. Roger Clemens fleer rc on top of a cello pack, Lawrence taylor topps rack pack with taylor rc on top..bonds, Griffey jr, ton of rcs on top. Insanely hard to keep unopened but that's the collector in us all
Wish I just had that jordon 86 fleer rookie card on top
Wow. A Joe Montana 9 grade went for over 1100. A jordan must be off the charts.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Topps-Football-GAI-9-Steiner-PSA-Cello-Pack-Joe-Montana-Autograph-RC-Top/123206348040?hash=item1cafabad08:g:9iEAAOSwMNVa-zQD
Agree. just pull the few stars from the base backs and use others as fire kindling.
Plus when you open packs, you bought yourself a job of organizing them and selling or trading the plethora of cards. For that ginter box, i gave up a weekend organizing the cards. it was fun, but thank goodness we have a ping pong table that is perfect for that.
Skip the base cards except the RCs, Make insert sets, and you're handling the minis just fine. The time it takes to organizing a base set that sells for $30 is not worth it. That said, I too organized many cards. Without use of a large table I first broke it down by hundred. Then each stack of 1-100, 101-200, 201-300 was split into high or low (above or below the fifty mark), then organized by the tens, then singularly. It was time consuming but manageable. Not worth it for the base sets imo, but for the glossy & ginter X... time well spent.
Here is another thing that PSA grades: Sealed packs.
I sent in a sealed 3-card pack with the crypto card on top. The odds are getting that card on top are lower than a 1/3 of 1 percent. If you were to order a ton of value packs in hopes of getting a crypto card on top - 350 of them, you'd have to pay about $2,300! (3 packs of value backs cost about 20 bucks, 350/3 = 116.67, 116.67 x 20 = 2,333.
If you are in the market for a PSA 10 one, let send me a PM. No pictures yet, they are still sealing it.
I sent in a sealed 3-card pack with the crypto card on top. The odds are getting that card on top are lower than a 1/3 of 1 percent. If you were to order a ton of value packs in hopes of getting a crypto card on top - 350 of them, you'd have to pay about $2,300! (3 packs of value backs cost about 20 bucks, 350/3 = 116.67, 116.67 x 20 = 2,333.
If you are in the market for a PSA 10 one, let send me a PM. No pictures yet, they are still sealing it.
That's a pretty cool pack you got but you cant extrapolate costs like that and how much that turns into value of the pack you own. It should certainly get a little more than the card is worth but not nearly the amount X odds of getting one
i see your point, but i now many of us buy packs with the goal of pulling a certain card (brooklyn, silver 1/1, etc) i'm just trying to make the case that it is better money management to buy the card you want with an analysis to back it up.
I've purchased 2 full cases of ginter cards and an X case. As fun as it was to open those packs, it didn't make financial sense.
Oh absolutely, it's extremely tough to find the card you want on top. I'm an old school sports card collector and still have rack packs with Jerry rice rc on top, graded. Roger Clemens fleer rc on top of a cello pack, Lawrence taylor topps rack pack with taylor rc on top..bonds, Griffey jr, ton of rcs on top. Insanely hard to keep unopened but that's the collector in us all
Wish I just had that jordon 86 fleer rookie card on top
This is interesting.....prices seem to be on the incline 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-10-Gem-MINT-2018-Topps-Allen-Ginter-Silver-Glossy-Currency-83-RC-hot-box/183722477877?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D38b0ecabd1514a089e514fcaab08ba4a%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D323755496476%26itm%3D183722477877&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A16df88b6-5702-11e9-93be-74dbd1800607%7Cparentrq%3Ae978ead91690ab452e759f14fffdaa8c%7Ciid%3A1
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-10-Gem-MINT-2018-Topps-Allen-Ginter-Silver-Glossy-Currency-83-RC-hot-box/183722477877?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D38b0ecabd1514a089e514fcaab08ba4a%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D323755496476%26itm%3D183722477877&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A16df88b6-5702-11e9-93be-74dbd1800607%7Cparentrq%3Ae978ead91690ab452e759f14fffdaa8c%7Ciid%3A1
Might very well be
This is interesting.....prices seem to be on the incline
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-10-Gem-MINT-2018-Topps-Allen-Ginter-Silver-Glossy-Currency-83-RC-hot-box/183722477877?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D38b0ecabd1514a089e514fcaab08ba4a%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D323755496476%26itm%3D183722477877&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A16df88b6-5702-11e9-93be-74dbd1800607%7Cparentrq%3Ae978ead91690ab452e759f14fffdaa8c%7Ciid%3A1
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-10-Gem-MINT-2018-Topps-Allen-Ginter-Silver-Glossy-Currency-83-RC-hot-box/183722477877?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D38b0ecabd1514a089e514fcaab08ba4a%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D323755496476%26itm%3D183722477877&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A16df88b6-5702-11e9-93be-74dbd1800607%7Cparentrq%3Ae978ead91690ab452e759f14fffdaa8c%7Ciid%3A1
Plus when you open packs, you bought yourself a job of organizing them and selling or trading the plethora of cards. For that ginter box, i gave up a weekend organizing the cards. it was fun, but thank goodness we have a ping pong table that is perfect for that.
Only a precious few of the ginter x red mini ever showed up and from just a colorful point of few they are my favorite of the cards. Good luck to all in finding one
Agree. i bought a Aaron Judge one. The crypto ones may never show up. Now that the prices have reached the statosphere for 1/5s and 1/1s, the serious players may hodl those.
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