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Quote from: madnessteat on July 05, 2022, 05:25:20 AM

I believe that even if a person has a genetic predisposition to gambling, it is not a particular problem because a person can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences.

In my opinion we choose our own destiny and what to do in life. If a gambler blames his losses on his genes, most likely he is afraid to admit his mistakes and tries to blame someone else for his mistakes.

I would not say that. In fact everything we do is controlled by the actions of the chemicals in our brain. The illusion of control is completely false and arbitrary. So whenever I hear of addiction, primarily gambling addiction, to stay on topic, I do not believe that the mentioned gambler can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences as much as some people believe that he can.

As I said in a previous post, its all really boiled down to brain chemicals and brain dysfunctions which, if you are unlucky, result in lifetime gambling addictions which do not go away with simple self help or "strict self discipline".

So saying we choose our own destiny is kind of a trap. People who need help get ignored because others perceive it as "their own fault" even though its not really.

I don't agree with you. Maybe you are governed by chemical reactions and I can control my desires, decisions, and money. I can limit myself to things I want, but because I can think rationally and understand what is best for me I very often refuse those things.

In my opinion, everything is much simpler. An irresponsible person will always find an extraneous reason to justify his behavior to some, it's chemical processes, brain dysfunctions, etc. but really the problem is irresponsibility to oneself and society.

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Quote from: smartaction on July 06, 2022, 04:43:58 AM

Gambling which is a bad addiction. It never spreads through DNA. This is a social problem. It may be that someone in a family is addicted to gambling, and seeing him there, another member of the family may become involved in gambling. Someone can involve in gamble by his gambler friend. And if someone gambles for entertainment, gambling can become an additional addiction.

Gambling can only spread when you tell other people how good it is to be a gambler and you have to know that you invite people so that it doesn't mean that they will get profits so you have to be careful and don't let your friendship be destroyed because of gambling.

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Gambling which is a bad addiction. It never spreads through DNA. This is a social problem. It may be that someone in a family is addicted to gambling, and seeing him there, another member of the family may become involved in gambling. Someone can involve in gamble by his gambler friend. And if someone gambles for entertainment, gambling can become an additional addiction.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on July 06, 2022, 02:53:54 AM

Well. This argument is hard pill to swallow. I know this. But I think being person who loves risks may pass from genes I think. Some people are always living in relaxed manner. For generations they never take risks and work at mediocre jobs etc. But some people love adrenaline, some people love to gamble away their money. Some feel stressed but some enjoy risks and gambling. Its possible.

That might be the real thing than the gambling habit being passed on. I have seen the same people when I was a team leader back then. Not in gambling but in jobs they take. They are willing to take job resignation even though there's no assurance of the next job yet. That's a lot of risk they are taking and I guess it's a hereditary thing.
Because on my side I cannot do that unless I am secured and accepted on a new job. I may have took a little risk on some parts of my decision but not going as far as that.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 01, 2022, 06:46:12 PM

I know we are greatly influenced by the environment we are born into and sometimes become gamblers because of where we find ourselves, i also considered the possibility of gambling being hereditary and found out that it is also possible, that is gambling can be hereditary ,

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Gambling is linked to a gene that is passed on through generations and a new study claims that it is passed on to both sons and daughters alike.

now come to think of it since it is difficult to escape our genetic makeup,
- Would you blame an individual who becomes addicted to gambling because it is wired to his DNA?

-Can their gambling problem be put in check by regular methods?

-Will the addiction be worse than someone who picked up the habit?

i have gambling ancestry from my father.
before my father stopped gambling, he was a gambling addict who spent almost every day just playing on gambling sites. but the great thing about my father even though he is a gambling addict, he can stop gambling when he is old. and now the next generation is me who continues my father's gambling addiction. but even though i'm a gambling addict, i think this gambling is just for fun to fill my spare time while off work. and i also don't spend as much time as my dad who gambles every day and every time. because on the other hand i also work in the real world for daily needs.

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If parents can explain the dangers of gambling to their children and don't show that their parents are gamblers in front of their children, perhaps their children will not try to approach gambling. But unfortunately, many parents show it in front of their children and even openly play dice gambling at home. This triggers their children's curiosity to try to play with their friends and in the end, they keep playing until they are adults. And this is what makes many adult children continue to play gambling and invite their friends from the same environment.

They can't for this kind of experience only be understood personally and it really hard for them to digest it in their minds without putting them in the same situation as to how gambling works. But as a concerned parent, you could always try the low-risk advice for your children and you can try safe methods to educate them and to make them understand how will it become a threat in their adulthood in they became addicted to it in their early life.

When a parent always gives the right guidance to the child so that no one in his or her family becomes addicted to gambling, it can be said that the outcome will be positive. But if it doesn’t guide them correctly, also make sure that it influences negatively on the people around him which shouldn’t happen.

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Well. This argument is hard pill to swallow. I know this. But I think being person who loves risks may pass from genes I think. Some people are always living in relaxed manner. For generations they never take risks and work at mediocre jobs etc. But some people love adrenaline, some people love to gamble away their money. Some feel stressed but some enjoy risks and gambling. Its possible.

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Quote from: Shamm on July 05, 2022, 10:31:38 AM

If one person get addicted to a gambling and make a good profits if he got his/her luck then for sure he will pass to his/her new generation he will teach his/her grandson on how to play in that game or where to put their bet. In a game like boxing, basketball or any sports there's a big chance of the family that they will involve in a gambling if sports will come because we all know that sports is one of the best way of gambling.

That's not a good thing to educate and pass on the addiction to your kids.

Comparing passing on of addiction to any sports is absurd IMO. It's completely different and they're far from being compared since sports is a better habit than being addicted.

But, we don't know if there really are parents and relatives that do pass on their addictions to their little ones. That's actually no good if they've done that.

Totally dumb if you do ask me on who the hell would really be tending to pass out addiction into their children if you do know that addiction could cause that financial problem?
What type or kind of parent are you if you do really have that kind of consideration on passing that shit into your children?
You would really be minding off for them about best things for them and not to those things which could potentially put their in harm.
Gambling could be gain through behavior and surroundings but it cant really be passed through DNA and i dont know on where they do get that idea.

I don't know.

He just said that.

Just because someone made money from gambling and despite being addicted, he thinks that it's okay to pass on that addiction and let it be inherited by their grandsons or sons.

It's really an off and odd comparison. Maybe there's a better explanation on that matter but for me, I don't see anything clear with it and it shouldn't be done.

Shouldnt really be done but instead we should do our best on not letting our sons and daughters on touching up gambling since we do know on what are the things that they could possibly experience which
isnt really that good because not all does have that good control when it comes to emotion when dealing with gambling. Anything or do talk about activities cant really be passed through genes.
Its not clear since its not totally relevant nor connected at all and just like on what others been saying which is actually true and on point.

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Quote from: madnessteat on July 05, 2022, 05:25:20 AM

I believe that even if a person has a genetic predisposition to gambling, it is not a particular problem because a person can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences.

In my opinion we choose our own destiny and what to do in life. If a gambler blames his losses on his genes, most likely he is afraid to admit his mistakes and tries to blame someone else for his mistakes.

Even though I agree with you that our genes do not completely write our destiny, we should not understimate the impact they can have if we do notpay attention to them or if we are not aware of them, like most of the cases.

Of course we have to admit that there are genetic traits that are easier to identify than others, if a person's grandfather and father both suffered from diabetes during their adulthood, one can expect the person to have a high chance to go through it as well. In the case gambling as a genetic affinity, it would not be so obvious. In the end, the important thing about a gambling problem is to find support and help to overcome it, whether genetic or not.

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Quote from: Mahanton on July 05, 2022, 05:49:30 PM

Quote from: livingfree on July 05, 2022, 05:28:15 PM

Quote from: Shamm on July 05, 2022, 10:31:38 AM

If one person get addicted to a gambling and make a good profits if he got his/her luck then for sure he will pass to his/her new generation he will teach his/her grandson on how to play in that game or where to put their bet. In a game like boxing, basketball or any sports there's a big chance of the family that they will involve in a gambling if sports will come because we all know that sports is one of the best way of gambling.

That's not a good thing to educate and pass on the addiction to your kids.

Comparing passing on of addiction to any sports is absurd IMO. It's completely different and they're far from being compared since sports is a better habit than being addicted.

But, we don't know if there really are parents and relatives that do pass on their addictions to their little ones. That's actually no good if they've done that.

Totally dumb if you do ask me on who the hell would really be tending to pass out addiction into their children if you do know that addiction could cause that financial problem?
What type or kind of parent are you if you do really have that kind of consideration on passing that shit into your children?
You would really be minding off for them about best things for them and not to those things which could potentially put their in harm.
Gambling could be gain through behavior and surroundings but it cant really be passed through DNA and i dont know on where they do get that idea.

I don't know.

He just said that.

Just because someone made money from gambling and despite being addicted, he thinks that it's okay to pass on that addiction and let it be inherited by their grandsons or sons.

It's really an off and odd comparison. Maybe there's a better explanation on that matter but for me, I don't see anything clear with it and it shouldn't be done.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 01, 2022, 06:46:12 PM

I know we are greatly influenced by the environment we are born into and sometimes become gamblers because of where we find ourselves, i also considered the possibility of gambling being hereditary and found out that it is also possible, that is gambling can be hereditary ,

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Gambling is linked to a gene that is passed on through generations and a new study claims that it is passed on to both sons and daughters alike.

I was going to argue a lot on this as I don't agree that gambling can be genetically transferred but the study don't exactly claim that it is too. Having no specific gene for gambling simply notifies the study! Gambling is a behavioural change and this is highly influenced by our environment. Genes are traits for certain characters and depending on which one that becomes dominant on the locci of a homologous, they become expressed. Nothing ouiltosde of a gene can be transferred and not having gambling behaviour associated with a particular gene simply means, its not hereditary.

It's a behavioural change as children learns to mimic and adapt to whatever behaviour they see common around them. The study as in OP confirms that as samples were behavioural examination without conducting any experiments on genes for this behaviour.

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Quote from: livingfree on July 05, 2022, 05:28:15 PM

Quote from: Shamm on July 05, 2022, 10:31:38 AM

If one person get addicted to a gambling and make a good profits if he got his/her luck then for sure he will pass to his/her new generation he will teach his/her grandson on how to play in that game or where to put their bet. In a game like boxing, basketball or any sports there's a big chance of the family that they will involve in a gambling if sports will come because we all know that sports is one of the best way of gambling.

That's not a good thing to educate and pass on the addiction to your kids.

Comparing passing on of addiction to any sports is absurd IMO. It's completely different and they're far from being compared since sports is a better habit than being addicted.

But, we don't know if there really are parents and relatives that do pass on their addictions to their little ones. That's actually no good if they've done that.

Totally dumb if you do ask me on who the hell would really be tending to pass out addiction into their children if you do know that addiction could cause that financial problem?
What type or kind of parent are you if you do really have that kind of consideration on passing that shit into your children?
You would really be minding off for them about best things for them and not to those things which could potentially put their in harm.
Gambling could be gain through behavior and surroundings but it cant really be passed through DNA and i dont know on where they do get that idea.

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Quote from: Shamm on July 05, 2022, 10:31:38 AM

If one person get addicted to a gambling and make a good profits if he got his/her luck then for sure he will pass to his/her new generation he will teach his/her grandson on how to play in that game or where to put their bet. In a game like boxing, basketball or any sports there's a big chance of the family that they will involve in a gambling if sports will come because we all know that sports is one of the best way of gambling.

That's not a good thing to educate and pass on the addiction to your kids.

Comparing passing on of addiction to any sports is absurd IMO. It's completely different and they're far from being compared since sports is a better habit than being addicted.

But, we don't know if there really are parents and relatives that do pass on their addictions to their little ones. That's actually no good if they've done that.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on July 05, 2022, 06:39:44 AM

Quote from: madnessteat on July 05, 2022, 05:25:20 AM

I believe that even if a person has a genetic predisposition to gambling, it is not a particular problem because a person can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences.

In my opinion we choose our own destiny and what to do in life. If a gambler blames his losses on his genes, most likely he is afraid to admit his mistakes and tries to blame someone else for his mistakes.

I would not say that. In fact everything we do is controlled by the actions of the chemicals in our brain. The illusion of control is completely false and arbitrary. So whenever I hear of addiction, primarily gambling addiction, to stay on topic, I do not believe that the mentioned gambler can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences as much as some people believe that he can.

As I said in a previous post, its all really boiled down to brain chemicals and brain dysfunctions which, if you are unlucky, result in lifetime gambling addictions which do not go away with simple self help or "strict self discipline".

So saying we choose our own destiny is kind of a trap. People who need help get ignored because others perceive it as "their own fault" even though its not really.

Good argument there, but the brain is always given more than one option and it is for the brain to decide which path to go. We cannot deny that when we are in front of a game, our brain process whether we start playing or ignore it and do other stuff. It is our own to decide which one to go to. But if we say your argument is absolute, then all of us will have the same result since you already nullified the option to choose our actions.
Another example is this post I am making, I am hesitant to reply to your argument but still, I decided to. So either, I have the option to choose and I chose to reply. The same thing with gambling, playing, or ignoring depends on whatever we decided. BTW, if gambling addiction can't be controlled then we will be seeing all gambling addicts lose their way which isn't true because there are people who are able to manage their gambling addiction if not being cured. I think the same thing with people who "genetically" inherited their gambling passion. They have the option to pursue it or not.

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Quote from: Oasisman on July 05, 2022, 05:41:51 AM

Quote from: madnessteat on July 05, 2022, 05:25:20 AM

I believe that even if a person has a genetic predisposition to gambling, it is not a particular problem because a person can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences.

In my opinion we choose our own destiny and what to do in life. If a gambler blames his losses on his genes, most likely he is afraid to admit his mistakes and tries to blame someone else for his mistakes.

Make sense, but IMO it's not really on the genes. It is when a child witnesses how their parents gambles regularly like it's a normal thing for them that is a part of their daily grind. It will instill in their young minds and will eventually develop into a habit and worse gambling addiction.
So, yeah it is us who chooses our fate on whether or not we engage into gambling excessively.

My parents never gambled. I grew up in a conservative household. I don't even know how to play Solitaire up until I finished college. The people around me are upstanding citizens that never got involved in the gambling industry, yet I still managed to find my way into gambling although I was never the problematic one. Environment plays a lot in the development of children and how they act in the society. But sometimes there are outliers wherein they never got introduced to something, they just managed to learn it.

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As far as I know alcoholism can be transmitted on a genetic level as this disease affects genes, destroying them. You can easily notice it in families which have an alcoholic father in the head of the family and live in poverty. This is unlikely to happen with gambling as it only affects a person's psychology. So if you are into gambling it does not mean that your children will have the same hobbies.

So I dig further and I learnt that genes can be modify and since alcohol is a combination of different chemicals if it is abused with time, it can affect the offspring, so I take back my previous example as a case study with heredity but gambling hereditary says otherwise. Although, it can be transferred from parent to children but the percentage is quite low and again, if the child stays with the addicted parents is likely to happen than when they are taken away from them. Literally, if an addicted gambler gives birth to a child and its been taken care of by another caring parent, the chance of the child becoming a gambler will be very low.

Alcoholism leads to several mild effects on gene expression. It doesn't completely modify the genes; it only affects how your gene is read by your body and those are two entirely different things. Say, a gene XYZ is supposed to create a protein, ABC. Suppose the person who has this XYZ gene is constantly exposed to alcohol and cigarette smoke. Your body will then conform to these new substances and introduce subtle changes. What your body transcribes as ABC will now be transcribed as ACB. Extremely subtle, but depending on the gene, can be very dangerous.

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Quote from: madnessteat on July 04, 2022, 01:44:41 PM

Quote from: Cookdata on July 04, 2022, 01:28:08 PM

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As far as I know alcoholism can be transmitted on a genetic level as this disease affects genes, destroying them. You can easily notice it in families which have an alcoholic father in the head of the family and live in poverty. This is unlikely to happen with gambling as it only affects a person's psychology. So if you are into gambling it does not mean that your children will have the same hobbies.

So I dig further and I learnt that genes can be modify and since alcohol is a combination of different chemicals if it is abused with time, it can affect the offspring, so I take back my previous example as a case study with heredity but gambling hereditary says otherwise. Although, it can be transferred from parent to children but the percentage is quite low and again, if the child stays with the addicted parents is likely to happen than when they are taken away from them. Literally, if an addicted gambler gives birth to a child and its been taken care of by another caring parent, the chance of the child becoming a gambler will be very low.

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Quote from: Oasisman on July 05, 2022, 05:41:51 AM

Quote from: madnessteat on July 05, 2022, 05:25:20 AM

I believe that even if a person has a genetic predisposition to gambling, it is not a particular problem because a person can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences.

In my opinion we choose our own destiny and what to do in life. If a gambler blames his losses on his genes, most likely he is afraid to admit his mistakes and tries to blame someone else for his mistakes.

Make sense, but IMO it's not really on the genes. It is when a child witnesses how their parents gambles regularly like it's a normal thing for them that is a part of their daily grind. It will instill in their young minds and will eventually develop into a habit and worse gambling addiction.
So, yeah it is us who chooses our fate on whether or not we engage into gambling excessively.

Of course, almost every child unconsciously copies the behavior of his parents, but a child can become addicted to gambling even if his parents never gambled. My experience is a perfect example of this - I never saw my parents gambling, but that didn't stop me from encountering street gambling as a teenager and becoming interested in it with my peers.

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If one person get addicted to a gambling and make a good profits if he got his/her luck then for sure he will pass to his/her new generation he will teach his/her grandson on how to play in that game or where to put their bet. In a game like boxing, basketball or any sports there's a big chance of the family that they will involve in a gambling if sports will come because we all know that sports is one of the best way of gambling.

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Quote from: madnessteat on July 05, 2022, 05:25:20 AM

I believe that even if a person has a genetic predisposition to gambling, it is not a particular problem because a person can control his actions and refrain from negative experiences.

In my opinion we choose our own destiny and what to do in life. If a gambler blames his losses on his genes, most likely he is afraid to admit his mistakes and tries to blame someone else for his mistakes.

This is true for the majority of gamblers, they can control their own actions and know when to stop. The problem is however when you become addicted to gambling and lose control of your own actions. It's very hard to imagine such a thing for people who have never experienced or watched an addict. For an alcoholic the rational thing would be to stop drinking, or for a drug addict to buy drugs in the first place. But the brain creates such a strong desire that they can't do anything against it. I am not saying that there is no blame for people with an addiction, it's not the result of a bad gene, they should have been more responsible in the beginning. Once the addiction becomes too strong it's almost impossible to fight it alone, professional help is needed to get the life back in order.

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Quote from: crwth on July 04, 2022, 10:15:11 PM

I think, in general, it's harder for people to stop their addiction when it's genetic. Most of the time, they will always come back to what makes them happy or what makes them feel fulfilled or something. It will be hard to overcome that, but that's just how you will know how strong the person is with willpower.

Comparing them to someone who has just gotten into the habit it's doing it is challenging. I think there's no significant difference.

Maybe there is no difference because such an addiction is in everyone's DNA. Some have a stronger predisposition, others a weaker one, but the principle behind gambling is the same for every person. It's like the taste buds on your tongue. Gambling affects the same areas of the brain. It's just that not all people engage in gambling. But research shows roughly the same pattern of pathology in addicts.

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