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Quote from: Fatunad on August 30, 2021, 04:48:55 PM

For power then Donaire isnt someone that you should underestimate off but i do agree that Inoue is a good technical fighter.He do knows on when to throw out punches on particular condition.
You can see Donaire to punch up in wide swings and heavy blows which undeniable but Inoue could throw some straight and penetrating heavy blows too which is more i can say
to be more accurate for landing up punches which i could say that he had really the edge but he should really be careful into those good counter punches.

That the fight happened in which it was the comeback fight of Donaire,

But look what damages he made to Inoue and those solid punch that landed in Inoue face that's all been taken, though that time Donaire got short in stamina, and in the last few rounds we've seen that he's no longer moving that much. Inoue takes that advantage and starts throwing his own versions of solid punches. Inoue already understands how Donaire fought and he can review and master everything that he needs in case that he faces Donaire.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 29, 2021, 12:22:18 AM

We should not include the age here. Try to watch how Nonito gives heavy damage to the top 1 Inoue, which is also a young boxer, in their finals matchup. It was the first time in Inoue's career to be sent to the hospital right after the fight that's why a rematch is possible to settle it all.

Casimero might have an advantage over Donaire but it doesn't mean a sure win. I don't want to compare the Rigo vs Casimero to Rigo vs Donaire. They should clash no matter what before facing Inoue.

It can't be avoided that once we critic a certain boxer the age difference will surely be included on the list. I mean, the age of a boxer plays a vital role also on the skill set of a boxer especially at this aspect a bettor could speculate which boxer speed and strength advances that will be their guidelines in placing a bet. But I think either a rematch between Donaire vs Casimero, or is it Casimero vs. Inoue will be surely an exciting fight to watch for.

True, its just too impossible that you wont consider out age when it comes to boxer fight performance because this is a great factor which do really affect because body isnt always on tip-top shape
as the years passing or simply when a boxer is getting older.

Cant really deny too that Donaire did really make some serious damage on Inoue as you can see in later rounds that he had really some blood on his face and not that usual pretty boy face
when facing up other opponents which does simply shows on how hard Nonito those punches are.

For power then Donaire isnt someone that you should underestimate off but i do agree that Inoue is a good technical fighter.He do knows on when to throw out punches on particular condition.
You can see Donaire to punch up in wide swings and heavy blows which undeniable but Inoue could throw some straight and penetrating heavy blows too which is more i can say
to be more accurate for landing up punches which i could say that he had really the edge but he should really be careful into those good counter punches.

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Quote from: molsewid on August 30, 2021, 01:01:10 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on August 29, 2021, 12:22:18 AM

We should not include the age here. Try to watch how Nonito gives heavy damage to the top 1 Inoue, which is also a young boxer, in their finals matchup. It was the first time in Inoue's career to be sent to the hospital right after the fight that's why a rematch is possible to settle it all.

Casimero might have an advantage over Donaire but it doesn't mean a sure win. I don't want to compare the Rigo vs Casimero to Rigo vs Donaire. They should clash no matter what before facing Inoue.

It can't be avoided that once we critic a certain boxer the age difference will surely be included on the list. I mean, the age of a boxer plays a vital role also on the skill set of a boxer especially at this aspect a bettor could speculate which boxer speed and strength advances that will be their guidelines in placing a bet. But I think either a rematch between Donaire vs Casimero, or is it Casimero vs. Inoue will be surely an exciting fight to watch for.

True, its just too impossible that you wont consider out age when it comes to boxer fight performance because this is a great factor which do really affect because body isnt always on tip-top shape
as the years passing or simply when a boxer is getting older.

Cant really deny too that Donaire did really make some serious damage on Inoue as you can see in later rounds that he had really some blood on his face and not that usual pretty boy face
when facing up other opponents which does simply shows on how hard Nonito those punches are.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 29, 2021, 12:22:18 AM

We should not include the age here. Try to watch how Nonito gives heavy damage to the top 1 Inoue, which is also a young boxer, in their finals matchup. It was the first time in Inoue's career to be sent to the hospital right after the fight that's why a rematch is possible to settle it all.

Casimero might have an advantage over Donaire but it doesn't mean a sure win. I don't want to compare the Rigo vs Casimero to Rigo vs Donaire. They should clash no matter what before facing Inoue.

It can't be avoided that once we critic a certain boxer the age difference will surely be included on the list. I mean, the age of a boxer plays a vital role also on the skill set of a boxer especially at this aspect a bettor could speculate which boxer speed and strength advances that will be their guidelines in placing a bet. But I think either a rematch between Donaire vs Casimero, or is it Casimero vs. Inoue will be surely an exciting fight to watch for.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on August 30, 2021, 06:18:52 AM

@freedomgo - I agree, Bob and Top Rank will decide if they wanted to have Inoue fight Casimero or not. So everything is not final yet even though Bob issued a verbal statement.

Bob just trying to measure the hype, but he always has a good plan of his cash cow and who's a fighter he thinks Inoue could easily beat. Every time Inoue fights, he makes money from it, so if Inoue loses, that would be a lost investment as the interest of Inoue will decrease while Casimero will become popoular. It's still a game of money, promoters nowadays are not so into big fights, but just to preserve the popularity of their fighters.

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Quote from: freedomgo on August 30, 2021, 05:57:17 AM

Quote from: Taskford on August 30, 2021, 05:52:45 AM

......but as Inoue stated he want to fight Casimero while he still have belt since if Casimero lose to Donaire then maybe he will get nothing fighting Casimero.

Unfortunately, he is not the one who makes the final decision, he is under contract with Top Rank and the final decision will be from Bob Arum. Let's just hope that Arum is serious about saying that he would make this fight happen next year, so I think there will be no this year.

This has to be stopped the best should fight the best, promoters are making the boxing industry a boring sport, they pick weak opponents for their ward so they can sustain the boxer's reputation and popularity, we need boxers like Canelo and Pacquiao who gives to fans what they want, promoters are only after money Inoue will be ruin if he only gets weak opponents and he will be disrespected because people thought he is ducking a big fight.

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@Taskford - the more they delayed the fight, I think it will be good to add fuel to the hype. As as Casimero open his mouth and attack Inoue, the more the fans are going to anticipated the fight so for me, it's better for next year.

@freedomgo - I agree, Bob and Top Rank will decide if they wanted to have Inoue fight Casimero or not. So everything is not final yet even though Bob issued a verbal statement.

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Quote from: Taskford on August 30, 2021, 05:52:45 AM

......but as Inoue stated he want to fight Casimero while he still have belt since if Casimero lose to Donaire then maybe he will get nothing fighting Casimero.

Unfortunately, he is not the one who makes the final decision, he is under contract with Top Rank and the final decision will be from Bob Arum. Let's just hope that Arum is serious about saying that he would make this fight happen next year, so I think there will be no this year.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on August 29, 2021, 04:18:58 PM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on August 29, 2021, 03:46:27 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on August 29, 2021, 11:27:27 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on August 29, 2021, 12:22:18 AM

We should not include the age here. Try to watch how Nonito gives heavy damage to the top 1 Inoue, which is also a young boxer, in their finals matchup. It was the first time in Inoue's career to be sent to the hospital right after the fight that's why a rematch is possible to settle it all.

Casimero might have an advantage over Donaire but it doesn't mean a sure win. I don't want to compare the Rigo vs Casimero to Rigo vs Donaire. They should clash no matter what before facing Inoue.

If this two Pinoy fighters will meet before facing Inoue, for sure we will see actions but the crowd mostly from our country and that's why promoters are not really interested since the pandemic still hitting the sports industry, they are forcing to take the fight between this two against Inoue as this super star already gained huge audiences.

But, I go with Casimero since Inoue is already annoyed with his trash talks and the fight may take place inside Inoue's homeland where pressures from the fans will be added to Casimero; he needed to walk with the talk.

Still need to wait till Arum agrees and start negotiating to which camp they bring the fight.

Arum has agreed once, so I think it will not be hard for him to agree on the 2nd time as Casimero is now more popular compared to the last time this fight was scheduled. Casimero is just doing his job as a boxer, selling himself to get a big fight and it seems successful in getting the attention of Inoue.

He agreed once but maybe he realized that Inoue might have a problem facing Casimero so instead of postponing the fight, it resulted in a cancelled fight. I'm not sure how reliable this news outlet is, but according to the link below, the fight will be in the 1st quarter of 2022.

https://businessmirror.com.ph/2020/11/02/inoue-casimero-unification-bout-eyed-in-1st-quarter-of-2021-arum/

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TOP Rank Head Bob Arum said the anticipated bout between World Boxing Organization bantamweight John Riel Casimero and unified world bantamweight titleholder Naoya Inoue of Japan could be held in February or March next year.

I though the fight will happen on 4th quarter of this year as Casimero stated about the date of this fight but since the promoter put a schedule on this event then provably this is the last mark and we can see this intense fight of the year as the feud between this fighter became more bigger as they are throwing some nasty words on twitter. But lets not hope since there no contract has been signed yet but as Inoue stated he want to fight Casimero while he still have belt since if Casimero lose to Donaire then maybe he will get nothing fighting Casimero.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on August 29, 2021, 03:46:27 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on August 29, 2021, 11:27:27 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on August 29, 2021, 12:22:18 AM

We should not include the age here. Try to watch how Nonito gives heavy damage to the top 1 Inoue, which is also a young boxer, in their finals matchup. It was the first time in Inoue's career to be sent to the hospital right after the fight that's why a rematch is possible to settle it all.

Casimero might have an advantage over Donaire but it doesn't mean a sure win. I don't want to compare the Rigo vs Casimero to Rigo vs Donaire. They should clash no matter what before facing Inoue.

If this two Pinoy fighters will meet before facing Inoue, for sure we will see actions but the crowd mostly from our country and that's why promoters are not really interested since the pandemic still hitting the sports industry, they are forcing to take the fight between this two against Inoue as this super star already gained huge audiences.

But, I go with Casimero since Inoue is already annoyed with his trash talks and the fight may take place inside Inoue's homeland where pressures from the fans will be added to Casimero; he needed to walk with the talk.

Still need to wait till Arum agrees and start negotiating to which camp they bring the fight.

Arum has agreed once, so I think it will not be hard for him to agree on the 2nd time as Casimero is now more popular compared to the last time this fight was scheduled. Casimero is just doing his job as a boxer, selling himself to get a big fight and it seems successful in getting the attention of Inoue.

He agreed once but maybe he realized that Inoue might have a problem facing Casimero so instead of postponing the fight, it resulted in a cancelled fight. I'm not sure how reliable this news outlet is, but according to the link below, the fight will be in the 1st quarter of 2022.

https://businessmirror.com.ph/2020/11/02/inoue-casimero-unification-bout-eyed-in-1st-quarter-of-2021-arum/

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TOP Rank Head Bob Arum said the anticipated bout between World Boxing Organization bantamweight John Riel Casimero and unified world bantamweight titleholder Naoya Inoue of Japan could be held in February or March next year.

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Quote from: Fredomago on August 29, 2021, 11:27:27 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on August 29, 2021, 12:22:18 AM

We should not include the age here. Try to watch how Nonito gives heavy damage to the top 1 Inoue, which is also a young boxer, in their finals matchup. It was the first time in Inoue's career to be sent to the hospital right after the fight that's why a rematch is possible to settle it all.

Casimero might have an advantage over Donaire but it doesn't mean a sure win. I don't want to compare the Rigo vs Casimero to Rigo vs Donaire. They should clash no matter what before facing Inoue.

If this two Pinoy fighters will meet before facing Inoue, for sure we will see actions but the crowd mostly from our country and that's why promoters are not really interested since the pandemic still hitting the sports industry, they are forcing to take the fight between this two against Inoue as this super star already gained huge audiences.

But, I go with Casimero since Inoue is already annoyed with his trash talks and the fight may take place inside Inoue's homeland where pressures from the fans will be added to Casimero; he needed to walk with the talk.

Still need to wait till Arum agrees and start negotiating to which camp they bring the fight.

Arum has agreed once, so I think it will not be hard for him to agree on the 2nd time as Casimero is now more popular compared to the last time this fight was scheduled. Casimero is just doing his job as a boxer, selling himself to get a big fight and it seems successful in getting the attention of Inoue.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 29, 2021, 12:22:18 AM

We should not include the age here. Try to watch how Nonito gives heavy damage to the top 1 Inoue, which is also a young boxer, in their finals matchup. It was the first time in Inoue's career to be sent to the hospital right after the fight that's why a rematch is possible to settle it all.

Casimero might have an advantage over Donaire but it doesn't mean a sure win. I don't want to compare the Rigo vs Casimero to Rigo vs Donaire. They should clash no matter what before facing Inoue.

If this two Pinoy fighters will meet before facing Inoue, for sure we will see actions but the crowd mostly from our country and that's why promoters are not really interested since the pandemic still hitting the sports industry, they are forcing to take the fight between this two against Inoue as this super star already gained huge audiences.

But, I go with Casimero since Inoue is already annoyed with his trash talks and the fight may take place inside Inoue's homeland where pressures from the fans will be added to Casimero; he needed to walk with the talk.

Still need to wait till Arum agrees and start negotiating to which camp they bring the fight.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 29, 2021, 12:22:18 AM

Casimero might have an advantage over Donaire but it doesn't mean a sure win. I don't want to compare the Rigo vs Casimero to Rigo vs Donaire. They should clash no matter what before facing Inoue.

So far there's no official announcement of the fight everything is just speculation but Inoue already announce his intention because of the disrespectful words coming out from Casimero, whoever Inoue fought it's going to be a must watch because Inoue is the most exciting of this generation, he could become the next Manny Pacquiao.

I wonder if it will still be exciting if he will fight Rigondeux.

Inoue is a great fighter, but he is more effective if an opponent will try to fight toe to toe against him or a slow fighter, and Casimero and Donaire's style would really fit Inoue's style as they don't run, they would want to fight toe to toe and that's why people are hoping the fight will happen to witness an entertaining fight.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 29, 2021, 12:22:18 AM

Casimero might have an advantage over Donaire but it doesn't mean a sure win. I don't want to compare the Rigo vs Casimero to Rigo vs Donaire. They should clash no matter what before facing Inoue.

So far there's no official announcement of the fight everything is just speculation but Inoue already announce his intention because of the disrespectful words coming out from Casimero, whoever Inoue fought it's going to be a must watch because Inoue is the most exciting of this generation, he could become the next Manny Pacquiao.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on August 28, 2021, 04:00:56 AM

while Casimero is still fresh , aging 31 while Nonito is 38 ? i will surely bet on John Riel in this fight .

We should not include the age here. Try to watch how Nonito gives heavy damage to the top 1 Inoue, which is also a young boxer, in their finals matchup. It was the first time in Inoue's career to be sent to the hospital right after the fight that's why a rematch is possible to settle it all.

Casimero might have an advantage over Donaire but it doesn't mean a sure win. I don't want to compare the Rigo vs Casimero to Rigo vs Donaire. They should clash no matter what before facing Inoue.

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Quote from: Johnyz on August 28, 2021, 04:29:05 PM

Inoue wants to fight Casimero now over a rematch to Donaire so there’s a high possibility for Inoue vs Casimero which I believe is more hype compare to Donaire, the trash talk style of Casimero is working and if they made this happen they might be able to collect more money from the viewers and the supporters. Personally, I prefer this match and this could be more exciting.

If Inoue prefer to fight Casimero more than Donaire then this is better, because Casimero is feeling the same way too. In fact he is willing to go to japan just to fight Inoue.

If their both camp agreed for this fight to push through then we can expect this big fight to happen anytime soon. This is more exciting since both are a great boxer and stronger plus Casimero is really eager to beat Inoue.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on August 28, 2021, 03:35:12 PM

Quote from: stomachgrowls on August 28, 2021, 08:54:27 AM

Whosever the winner of this said fight then he would likely be facing up the monster which is next on line.

What if the monster wants to fight Casimero first before Donaire, would it be a better match-up compared to Inoue vs Donaire which we already saw as the outcome of their first fight? Of course yes, it's monster vs the real monsters (Casimero) as he claimed to be the real monster, probably the biggest fight of Casimero and its his chance to be the most popular in the bantamweight if he could KO Inoue.

Inoue wants to fight Casimero now over a rematch to Donaire so there’s a high possibility for Inoue vs Casimero which I believe is more hype compare to Donaire, the trash talk style of Casimero is working and if they made this happen they might be able to collect more money from the viewers and the supporters. Personally, I prefer this match and this could be more exciting.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on August 28, 2021, 08:54:27 AM

Whosever the winner of this said fight then he would likely be facing up the monster which is next on line.

What if the monster wants to fight Casimero first before Donaire, would it be a better match-up compared to Inoue vs Donaire which we already saw as the outcome of their first fight? Of course yes, it's monster vs the real monsters (Casimero) as he claimed to be the real monster, probably the biggest fight of Casimero and its his chance to be the most popular in the bantamweight if he could KO Inoue.

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Either Inoue vs Casimero or Casimero vs. Donaire is good. But I am honestly more excited to see Casimero vs Inoue. That would be more explosive. I'd definitely watch that fight and be entertained no matter who turns out the winner.

I'd rather see Donaire vs Casimero first. I like to see Casimero having another match first before entering the final stage which is dealing against Naoya Inoue. We didn't see Casimero at 100% during the fight with Rigo as the latter is always on defense and running mode. And for Donaire, he's no chance for a rematch against Inoue if he won't pass Casimero first to finished the unsettled business.

There will be more good impressions and possibly more recognition if Casimero will pass Donaire first. Winning against Donaire will create a bigger market too for Casimero.
Bottom line, the next match should be just between these 3. If Arum will spoil it and find other boxers instead, which I found there's a chance, we won't know.

Casimero Vs Donaire would be best. Its unification and the first time in the history of Philippine boxing that there will be Pinoy vs Pinoy unifying a world title. Donaire should just forget about that trash talk, it's part of the game now in boxing.

Casimero receives a big approval from a lot of boxing analysts. talagang mag ibubuga ito. among the top fighters in the Philippines, he stands out.

Casimero is a Good boxer same as Donaire but about the speed and power today? it is casimero in which advantageous here.

Like manny pacquiao , Nonito Donaire is also in His last days in boxing in which we can see on how he manage to box recently .

while Casimero is still fresh , aging 31 while Nonito is 38 ? i will surely bet on John Riel in this fight .

Each boxer does have its prime days or years and when you do age then physical performance would deteriorate which i could really consider to be normal.Im not saying Donaire is bad but just like what others been saying

that he's already past on his prime even though he do still have that fighting charisma but wont really be the same into those years where he's still young and im really with Casimero if this fight would be

pushed on before making some arrangement in fight with Inoue. Whosever the winner of this said fight then he would likely be facing up the monster which is next on line.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on August 28, 2021, 04:00:56 AM

Quote from: electronicash on August 26, 2021, 02:04:14 AM

Quote from: harizen on August 26, 2021, 12:28:33 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on August 25, 2021, 09:26:22 PM

Either Inoue vs Casimero or Casimero vs. Donaire is good. But I am honestly more excited to see Casimero vs Inoue. That would be more explosive. I'd definitely watch that fight and be entertained no matter who turns out the winner.

I'd rather see Donaire vs Casimero first. I like to see Casimero having another match first before entering the final stage which is dealing against Naoya Inoue. We didn't see Casimero at 100% during the fight with Rigo as the latter is always on defense and running mode. And for Donaire, he's no chance for a rematch against Inoue if he won't pass Casimero first to finished the unsettled business.

There will be more good impressions and possibly more recognition if Casimero will pass Donaire first. Winning against Donaire will create a bigger market too for Casimero.
Bottom line, the next match should be just between these 3. If Arum will spoil it and find other boxers instead, which I found there's a chance, we won't know.

Casimero Vs Donaire would be best. Its unification and the first time in the history of Philippine boxing that there will be Pinoy vs Pinoy unifying a world title. Donaire should just forget about that trash talk, it's part of the game now in boxing.

Casimero receives a big approval from a lot of boxing analysts. talagang mag ibubuga ito. among the top fighters in the Philippines, he stands out.

Casimero is a Good boxer same as Donaire but about the speed and power today? it is casimero in which advantageous here.

About the speed, there's no difference I guess, but the power, surely Casimero has the advantage.
Donaire is named The Flash, which means he is fast, but he is not anymore as fast as before, the fastest in the division is Rigo, lol.

Quote from: kotajikikox on August 28, 2021, 04:00:56 AM

Like manny pacquiao , Nonito Donaire is also in His last days in boxing in which we can see on how he manage to box recently .

while Casimero is still fresh , aging 31 while Nonito is 38 ? i will surely bet on John Riel in this fight .

Donaire won his last fight that's why his name is fresh again, if he lose in his next fight against Inoue or Casimero, then he could use his age as an excuse.

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