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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on April 03, 2016, 04:07:04 AM

Quote from: kennyP on April 03, 2016, 04:02:30 AM

do what you want CfB, it's your 'company', let history judge, I might be wrong, maybe crypto investors don't care about these things.

I have no obligation to IOTA investors, but I will feel sorry for the ones who have their money confiscated

I don't decide what the company will do, it was just my suggestion. For profit companies should do their main business, not charity.

PS: "Confiscated" is a wrong word here.

Yes, you had terms & conditions, so it's nothing ethically based, you're just doing what you said you would ... I understand the logic

I disagree though, companies should be held accountable for more than just doing business and making investors money. They don't have to be charitable, but they should act fair and reasonable. Let's see who turns up in the future with what explanations for not claiming their IOTA. It is possible some will have provable justification for not claiming, and you will regret this decision personally as a human being, and business wise for the bad PR smell it might create. The unclaimed IOTA is a temptation, and the terms & conditions 'cover' you, so you can do what you planned.

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Quote from: kennyP on April 03, 2016, 03:45:39 AM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on April 03, 2016, 03:33:51 AM

Quote from: kennyP on April 03, 2016, 03:24:05 AM

Terms & conditions can mask morality, and that's how banks treat people, hiding behind fine print to rip people off http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-05/comminsure-denying-heart-attack-claims/7218818

I like tolerance myself, and respect for others property. We should make it our goal to find these people, or wait for them.

This will create a precedence and we will end giving all our money away to the poor... And I like it! I suggest to create a fund filled with community member iotas that will be frozen until those people ask for their unclaimed share. The iotas from Unclaimed Iotas Fund still should be spent as written upthread. They were sold by a company - an entity that is not expected to show signs of philanthropy, an entity that ought to blindly follow the terms of the sale.

I disagree, this not about 'poor' people, it's about people who might have a good valid reason for not following IOTA. If it's a ticket on a plane and you're late the plane has to fly, so you lost your money, but in this case why do the people running this 'company' not wait longer? Is there a good reason why these funds can't be frozen? A plane has to leave, but coins can sit in cold storage forever

I know a guy who had a stroke at 46. One day he's got a normal life, the next day he's in hospital and can't move or talk for months. 3 years later he starts opening mail from 2012. You wanna take money from a guy like that? Be careful IOTA, don't create bad blood!!

If it will be improving of Really Bad situation where he was for many years and cannot claim his Iotas and improving of BTC address, why not to help him?

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Quote from: kennyP on April 03, 2016, 04:02:30 AM

do what you want CfB, it's your 'company', let history judge, I might be wrong, maybe crypto investors don't care about these things.

I have no obligation to IOTA investors, but I will feel sorry for the ones who have their money confiscated

I don't decide what the company will do, it was just my suggestion. For profit companies should do their main business, not charity.

PS: "Confiscated" is a wrong word here.

kennyP

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do what you want CfB, it's your 'company', let history judge, I might be wrong, maybe crypto investors don't care about these things.

I have no obligation to IOTA investors, but I will feel sorry for the ones who have their money confiscated

Come-from-Beyond

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Quote from: kennyP on April 03, 2016, 03:45:39 AM

I disagree, this not about 'poor' people, it's about people who might have a good valid reason for not following IOTA. If it's a ticket on a plane and you're late the plane has to fly, so you lost your money, but in this case why do the people running this 'company' not wait longer? Is there a good reason why these funds can't be frozen? A plane has to leave, but coins can sit in cold storage forever

I know a guy who had a stroke at 46. One day he's got a normal life, the next day he's in hospital and can't move or talk for months. 3 years later he starts opening mail from 2012. You wanna take money from a guy like that? Be careful IOTA, don't create bad blood!!

I'll repeat bullet points:

Companies ought to do business.
People ought to help other people.
Those who want to help ones who haven't claimed their iotas (for whatever reason) ought to create a special fund and put their personal iotas there, otherwise it will look as hypocrisy.

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Quote from: kennyP on April 03, 2016, 03:45:39 AM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on April 03, 2016, 03:33:51 AM

Quote from: kennyP on April 03, 2016, 03:24:05 AM

Terms & conditions can mask morality, and that's how banks treat people, hiding behind fine print to rip people off http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-05/comminsure-denying-heart-attack-claims/7218818

I like tolerance myself, and respect for others property. We should make it our goal to find these people, or wait for them.

This will create a precedence and we will end giving all our money away to the poor... And I like it! I suggest to create a fund filled with community member iotas that will be frozen until those people ask for their unclaimed share. The iotas from Unclaimed Iotas Fund still should be spent as written upthread. They were sold by a company - an entity that is not expected to show signs of philanthropy, an entity that ought to blindly follow the terms of the sale.

I disagree, this not about 'poor' people, it's about people who might have a good valid reason for not following IOTA. If it's a ticket on a plane and you're late the plane has to fly, so you lost your money, but in this case why do the people running this 'company' not wait longer? Is there a good reason why these funds can't be frozen? A plane has to leave, but coins can sit in cold storage forever

I know a guy who had a stroke at 46. One day he's got a normal life, the next day he's in hospital and can't move or talk for months. 3 years later he starts opening mail from 2012. You wanna take money from a guy like that? Be careful IOTA, don't create bad blood!!

I agree with CFB. If you want to start a fund to repay these people then do so. But saying that is was hidden in fine print is a lie and saying its property when it is not - because its unclaimed - is just distorting the truth. Life isn't fair. We should not try to make it fair. We should only try to make it better.

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on April 03, 2016, 03:33:51 AM

Quote from: kennyP on April 03, 2016, 03:24:05 AM

Terms & conditions can mask morality, and that's how banks treat people, hiding behind fine print to rip people off http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-05/comminsure-denying-heart-attack-claims/7218818

I like tolerance myself, and respect for others property. We should make it our goal to find these people, or wait for them.

This will create a precedence and we will end giving all our money away to the poor... And I like it! I suggest to create a fund filled with community member iotas that will be frozen until those people ask for their unclaimed share. The iotas from Unclaimed Iotas Fund still should be spent as written upthread. They were sold by a company - an entity that is not expected to show signs of philanthropy, an entity that ought to blindly follow the terms of the sale.

I disagree, this not about 'poor' people, it's about people who might have a good valid reason for not following IOTA. If it's a ticket on a plane and you're late the plane has to fly, so you lost your money, but in this case why do the people running this 'company' not wait longer? Is there a good reason why these funds can't be frozen? A plane has to leave, but coins can sit in cold storage forever

I know a guy who had a stroke at 46. One day he's got a normal life, the next day he's in hospital and can't move or talk for months. 3 years later he starts opening mail from 2012. You wanna take money from a guy like that? Be careful IOTA, don't create bad blood!!

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Quote from: kennyP on April 03, 2016, 03:24:05 AM

Terms & conditions can mask morality, and that's how banks treat people, hiding behind fine print to rip people off http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-05/comminsure-denying-heart-attack-claims/7218818

I like tolerance myself, and respect for others property. We should make it our goal to find these people, or wait for them.

This will create a precedence and we will end giving all our money away to the poor... And I like it! I suggest to create a fund filled with community member iotas that will be frozen until those people ask for their unclaimed share. The iotas from Unclaimed Iotas Fund still should be spent as written upthread. They were sold by a company - an entity that is not expected to show signs of philanthropy, an entity that ought to blindly follow the terms of the sale.

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Quote from: windjc on April 03, 2016, 01:43:29 AM

Quote from: kennyP on April 03, 2016, 01:41:02 AM

Quote from: iotatoken on April 02, 2016, 12:15:39 PM

Quote from: rtrtcrypto on April 02, 2016, 12:00:19 PM

That is a large sum.

Is the official position that these tokens will be now be used towards funding the foundation? Incredible that people failed to claim that much.

If the foundation does take that amount, how close are we to both the DEAL and the FOUNDATION pledges being completed?

5 million goes to the foundation, 5 million to Jinn development and the rest to immediate projects like a professional new website, a professional 2 min video explaining what IOTA is and what it is for and some other tasks.

I appreciate the need, but I'm still conflicted with this decision. It's possible for someone to be unable to follow iOta for many months and still have a valid reason. What about extending the time period but reducing the amount;

4 months 90%
5 months 80%
6 months 70%
7 months 60%
8 months 50%
9 months 40%
10 months 30%
11 months 20%
12 months 10%

what would bitcoin jesus do?

My feeling is simple. There were terms and conditions. In a decentralized community there needs to be accountability. I like the no tolerance rules. I think its the right thing to do. We shouldn't be assholes, but there must be consequences. And accountability from top down.

Terms & conditions can mask morality, and that's how banks treat people, hiding behind fine print to rip people off http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-05/comminsure-denying-heart-attack-claims/7218818

I like tolerance myself, and respect for others property. We should make it our goal to find these people, or wait for them.

Come-from-Beyond

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Quote from: MsCollec on April 02, 2016, 05:58:18 PM

Is there any spreadsheet for claimed/unclaimed iota - bitcoin address.
Thanks

You can use the list below to check if your BTC address claimed the iotas:

Code:

6765916 1NADsB54Z6DWyNygGrQ7AtBWpwY4EEjbc9
1289882 163Fq4sQF3nTmBwARs1eamZwhRqUEsxBef 1QCdWotdsYAR1CqvYcsHubvMBpTKPKDegV
589233 1EEqjBi4UDhngpM1Ytq3RrYptTBe6WFXHD 1EpR9UW93K9SKK5CMZUsHSaz24grm62hyZ 1EtAqx7RsPRuB5zsBGoz4vRP4vmWTmr4ZM 1GU7iQCRB5sM844swCtGA2mh2mVJ273ev9 1GxB4wUvDg53KjCppMWZJtfQc6rVTMH6VP 1HkJJW9C1gcU4tpbsxGsEwytReq839FZpn 1JNxCxg8DnB5WVihBUGRgJopGvg7U679xJ
429961 12nuAvcrWgZgsT5owgxYWWnMgVsequhSGE 1CT15bbQASkRQLk3hszzvLLrvAcwdFV4sd
429961 1JmiufrozgFs6kPZs2iyqmJQHMCpwdK6ME
401920 16yvhZiVx1twEa9z3ph9g7JfmufmHcQG8u 17pv1GQELSEpQdH6Sm62Wp6SYBB7yzFpdn
314058 1JFZuenikyGVjdHUYLq6CxSKsvB8G742mL
257976 18YNMkMm6xdMBWE3cR3uU9pX3KFdcc2FZx
160768 19dqZ8PrCSQ8xGukdrX42UGu6J2E7H9zH3 1ERVnXYmX5tCqYkMkzUWDAskXA6sHwfGiz
97128 17AonFadoaNZgeXf7QMcqLHnGEionNtvNE 1837XEVEdzyEP8GSuepzcwBKygp1N9hiDN
85992 115nvN618RTZ3BQv8jujgCAZV2vQvs5XqH
85907 125EJ3HYXNZ8swr2UBcvKNBV2voAYACFu9
80384 1ABcMwDwLrFrDvY6gpNGMaMGTiCAYLNcM5 1GaW9WdcTkWEfSczUcH8nECxp3qkrGknqq
63698 127LxQ7Hy7STRXdTkhHzisZL8HkjwhtS4e 1JQHqsjoNrBQFicvMDFcsZbTbjdWad5Nf5 1LUJ7oFWumio6QbaCWR6utrzsDAEqsWAGb 1MPr3Z2GPFWxVhTmCtQisdBsVYEeZZ19dV 1MW3Q6zEEnHSR1wxo92VMYWZ1RFWbMz7io
58475 12gz7fMXWxqzsK7ym3SyexSiS4pFD1Bmiw
47587 1BRwfZeh9V7WF5FVDggWSweDhzaePSy8bW
46667 163bZj8LKcxY2PqjsbFpbXRTi6NiXTDCLX
44865 16oPoWWAPxAApNprgR6nWWZcHT4vW9wZUs
20077 114mHgyGbLyL9c2RYvpsnahLmzqaywp4Ry 14rcfujBJtkZnZutEjaVUqnA41E5M7Y39L 16PgQhhxK9Kwu7wjFdoFCiawd5PwtRVaVK 16itYoutFeXASct6k5rUvJNj2bF73tDbkt 18AHdJiAZAffqBrFw9FTj9xD1FhLoNXM8g 1Gp6Vhw3d37u79sDAMkYMaxvjC6Rg7cGsF 1LJ5A6xPrY6AbAN2vFvj5kFKcDdDR8xPAv 1LYkz1jRLy38gGk6rF1WbgNpbrZvDAPo11
11760 1PEzqKyfySg9UM9egX4FXmpD5UWaNhp8m7 1qTrpJzRAhxN2ENj4SNf2CtCTXUtUyyhb
8599 12x6zwwrtq9mpGZhKW6JvrxNXgVrBY9fim 157zytfqxmpkNMP3cWh12s2f268tC3bV9e 1BGWgn26apTR2MCCZTLWSUBJmE2CHDVzXe
8599 1AtE9V4WYckjBibxkqJV3W4vnkKNp9Ma4q
8038 1KSbHTdghXkpi9cS7QF5AsTr3dFyMyZt8Q
7636 3DjXYiSLNUUUJkvG6hfDawZdryhjtPAZYc 3KeDYdZvmBaqdwaGgmXkeyKWePkq3vY46x
5234 1239BJSf5qmcAoPHMqf4PmkXT3RXfxwwAj 12SiJiJfMJFhPFxVmw46YW87krusmnrhPs 15Kp4onMpMjfn47w3bZ98eHY3prdGu879p 17sfbz8mdq3bSVc6C9Ds8cU8r2yg7BzjFp 1Kk8sQ3yYidadrbP4mof7hEyrEZBTPzQWB 1Na2BdsHs517r8Pz9cCkP7kR9GwvDiRdHi 1MPViyx2bich1XXGffMxGBybhSgt6tx4im
4755 19jBoXYEEWjJWM5aV4ZhuwGpB688q4aG2o
1496 18SPiSEnBvMVSFFjuenXodiVG9BzFsA6Wz 1JxFCuPALZAVsTwro5Em5MHSA8deLQk6n4

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@jokumat, paraphrase your post without insults, please.

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Quote from: kennyP on April 03, 2016, 01:41:02 AM

Quote from: iotatoken on April 02, 2016, 12:15:39 PM

Quote from: rtrtcrypto on April 02, 2016, 12:00:19 PM

That is a large sum.

Is the official position that these tokens will be now be used towards funding the foundation? Incredible that people failed to claim that much.

If the foundation does take that amount, how close are we to both the DEAL and the FOUNDATION pledges being completed?

5 million goes to the foundation, 5 million to Jinn development and the rest to immediate projects like a professional new website, a professional 2 min video explaining what IOTA is and what it is for and some other tasks.

I appreciate the need, but I'm still conflicted with this decision. It's possible for someone to be unable to follow iOta for many months and still have a valid reason. What about extending the time period but reducing the amount;

4 months 90%
5 months 80%
6 months 70%
7 months 60%
8 months 50%
9 months 40%
10 months 30%
11 months 20%
12 months 10%

what would bitcoin jesus do?

My feeling is simple. There were terms and conditions. In a decentralized community there needs to be accountability. I like the no tolerance rules. I think its the right thing to do. We shouldn't be assholes, but there must be consequences. And accountability from top down.

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Quote from: iotatoken on April 02, 2016, 12:15:39 PM

Quote from: rtrtcrypto on April 02, 2016, 12:00:19 PM

That is a large sum.

Is the official position that these tokens will be now be used towards funding the foundation? Incredible that people failed to claim that much.

If the foundation does take that amount, how close are we to both the DEAL and the FOUNDATION pledges being completed?

5 million goes to the foundation, 5 million to Jinn development and the rest to immediate projects like a professional new website, a professional 2 min video explaining what IOTA is and what it is for and some other tasks.

I appreciate the need, but I'm still conflicted with this decision. It's possible for someone to be unable to follow iOta for many months and still have a valid reason. What about extending the time period but reducing the amount;

4 months 90%
5 months 80%
6 months 70%
7 months 60%
8 months 50%
9 months 40%
10 months 30%
11 months 20%
12 months 10%

what would bitcoin jesus do?

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https://iota.org/

Quote from: iotatoken on April 02, 2016, 12:15:39 PM

Quote from: rtrtcrypto on April 02, 2016, 12:00:19 PM

That is a large sum.

Is the official position that these tokens will be now be used towards funding the foundation? Incredible that people failed to claim that much.

If the foundation does take that amount, how close are we to both the DEAL and the FOUNDATION pledges being completed?

5 million goes to the foundation, 5 million to Jinn development and the rest to immediate projects like a professional new website, a professional 2 min video explaining what IOTA is and what it is for and some other tasks.

I love Your decision! This is really wise!

Why not to do writing here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17d2k_0Xgy2SSFx6NWx2xyrgF9pFcs_Mr-GgVg5Uvzjw/edit?ts=56eac2b7#gid=0

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Is there any spreadsheet for claimed/unclaimed iota - bitcoin address.
Thanks

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Quote from: lordoliver on April 02, 2016, 04:47:04 PM

Quote from: 50cent_rapper on April 02, 2016, 02:59:45 PM

Quote from: iotatoken on April 02, 2016, 12:14:03 PM

Quote from: Videodrome on April 02, 2016, 11:33:26 AM

Quote from: iotatoken on April 02, 2016, 10:59:10 AM

11'355'541.999999999

Thats an huge sum, i think they must be freezed for at least 1 year.

is not a good idea to add them to the foundation to soon.

If they are freezed is the same thing and if some one is in late ( for family or health problem) can reedem the IOTA. also after the deadline.

Please iotatoken think about that

In the terms everyone agreed to when participating in the crowdsale they had 90 days to collect. We set this limit because 3 months is more than enough for anyone with a genuine interest in IOTA to claim them. We gave an extension of 1 week for a couple of late claimers. If someone has not shown an iota of interest in IOTA for 3 months straight, they frankly don't deserve it or need it.

The iotas are going towards the project, no freeze.

Yeap, there were TERMS OF CROWDSALE, it was clearly stated that IOTAs need to be claimed in 90 days, and in fact IOTA team give addition 1 week for latecomers. If people do not want their iotas - someone other do Cool

Hehe you can do that, but be prepared for the troll shitstorm after the people realize it Wink

Cryptohunter will jump on the occasion

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Quote from: 50cent_rapper on April 02, 2016, 02:59:45 PM

Quote from: iotatoken on April 02, 2016, 12:14:03 PM

Quote from: Videodrome on April 02, 2016, 11:33:26 AM

Quote from: iotatoken on April 02, 2016, 10:59:10 AM

11'355'541.999999999

Thats an huge sum, i think they must be freezed for at least 1 year.

is not a good idea to add them to the foundation to soon.

If they are freezed is the same thing and if some one is in late ( for family or health problem) can reedem the IOTA. also after the deadline.

Please iotatoken think about that

In the terms everyone agreed to when participating in the crowdsale they had 90 days to collect. We set this limit because 3 months is more than enough for anyone with a genuine interest in IOTA to claim them. We gave an extension of 1 week for a couple of late claimers. If someone has not shown an iota of interest in IOTA for 3 months straight, they frankly don't deserve it or need it.

The iotas are going towards the project, no freeze.

Yeap, there were TERMS OF CROWDSALE, it was clearly stated that IOTAs need to be claimed in 90 days, and in fact IOTA team give addition 1 week for latecomers. If people do not want their iotas - someone other do Cool

Hehe you can do that, but be prepared for the troll shitstorm after the people realize it Wink

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Quote from: iotatoken on April 02, 2016, 12:14:03 PM

Quote from: Videodrome on April 02, 2016, 11:33:26 AM

Quote from: iotatoken on April 02, 2016, 10:59:10 AM

11'355'541.999999999

Thats an huge sum, i think they must be freezed for at least 1 year.

is not a good idea to add them to the foundation to soon.

If they are freezed is the same thing and if some one is in late ( for family or health problem) can reedem the IOTA. also after the deadline.

Please iotatoken think about that

In the terms everyone agreed to when participating in the crowdsale they had 90 days to collect. We set this limit because 3 months is more than enough for anyone with a genuine interest in IOTA to claim them. We gave an extension of 1 week for a couple of late claimers. If someone has not shown an iota of interest in IOTA for 3 months straight, they frankly don't deserve it or need it.

The iotas are going towards the project, no freeze.

Yeap, there were TERMS OF CROWDSALE, it was clearly stated that IOTAs need to be claimed in 90 days, and in fact IOTA team give addition 1 week for latecomers. If people do not want their iotas - someone other do Cool

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Well,

Amazing. This gets us that much closer to funding everything!

Quote from: iotatoken on April 02, 2016, 12:15:39 PM

Quote from: rtrtcrypto on April 02, 2016, 12:00:19 PM

That is a large sum.

Is the official position that these tokens will be now be used towards funding the foundation? Incredible that people failed to claim that much.

If the foundation does take that amount, how close are we to both the DEAL and the FOUNDATION pledges being completed?

5 million goes to the foundation, 5 million to Jinn development and the rest to immediate projects like a professional new website, a professional 2 min video explaining what IOTA is and what it is for and some other tasks.

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Quote from: rtrtcrypto on April 02, 2016, 12:00:19 PM

That is a large sum.

Is the official position that these tokens will be now be used towards funding the foundation? Incredible that people failed to claim that much.

If the foundation does take that amount, how close are we to both the DEAL and the FOUNDATION pledges being completed?

5 million goes to the foundation, 5 million to Jinn development and the rest to immediate projects like a professional new website, a professional 2 min video explaining what IOTA is and what it is for and some other tasks.

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